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    Hey folks. As you know from my recent update I recently purchased (with the help of two friends) this 1st generation GNR demo tape written in Izzy's own hand: Izzy GNR demo tape: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeDemoIzzy.html Thanks to those same two friends, the files have been converted to digital using the highest care and quality. Here is a link to the tracks in stereo, 24/96 FLAC: I just want to reiterate this: These songs are property of Guns N Roses. No ownership by anyone else is implied nor should be inferred. This is for the fans but if requested by the band these songs will be removed and taken down. Of course the link will also be removed from this forum if the admins feel that way. Please enjoy responsibly!
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    My co-host Geoff and I got a chance to sit down with former GNR Producer Sean Beavan for almost 2 hours and discuss a lot of Guns N' Roses related items, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson and other stuff! Sean was awesome and super nice to do this for us.
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    KPFK 1985. Thanks to Raz Cue for sharing this gem.
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    The basics of this old story are widely known and have been discussed multiple times, but, since there are no news about the band to discuss, I thought it would be useful to post this material for everybody who doesn't know or remember the details and because some of the information in the newspaper reports is new (to most people, at least). ---------------- Steven signed a contract on March 28, 1990, with which he was demoted from a partner to an employee and was put on "probation" by the band and management. From the GnR partnership agreement signed in October 1992: [Steven] is back in the band. He was definitely out of the band. He wasn’t necessarily fired, we worked with Adam Maples, we worked with Martin Chambers, and Steven did the Guns N’ Roses thing and got his shit together. And it worked, and he did it, and he plays the songs better than any of ‘em, just bad-assed, and he’s GNR. And so if he doesn’t blow it, we’re going to try the album with him, and the tour and, you know, we’ve worked out a contract with him....(...) it’s worked out. It’s finally back on and we’re hoping it continues. It’s only been a few days so far. It’s only been since Thursday last week, and he’s doing great. We’re all just hoping it continues. [Axl, Stick To Your Guns by Mick Wall; Kerrang, 21st and 28th of April 1990] Then, in July 1990, Steven was fired. ---------- The following newpaper reports and quotes are in chronological order. Steven's lawsuit was filed in July 1991, the trial took place in the summer of 1993 and it ended with an out of court settlement in September 1993. Most of the band members' quotes are from here: http://www.a-4-d.com/t91-steven-adler Steven didn't leave. Steven was fired. We gave him every ultimatum, we tried working with other drummers, we had Steven sign a contract saying that if he went back to drugs he was out. He couldn't leave his drugs...and other things had happened involved with Steven that Steven is basically someone I used to know. It makes me feel bad, but there's other things beside the band that he was involved in with his drugs that's been very dangerous and scary and I want nothing to do with him [Axl, Famous Last Words, MTV, 1990] He was lying to us on a daily basis. I was trying to talk some sense into him but it never happened. He wouldn't listen to anybody-none of us will! And Axl and Duff had had it. As amazing as it seems in this "drug-free"exercise and health age, there's a bunch of us who are stilll clinging fast to the late '60s and '70s. But Steve never grew up to the fact that it's not all just sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. To him it was a big fantasy and we took care of him. And now he's on his own. [...] I did keep in touch. I'd pop into his house every now and then to see how he was doing. l stuck with him, as you'd do for a loved one. And then he started getting on my case, saying, 'I've heard you guys are all on heroin and what's the difference, blah blah blah ... .' And finally I couldn't talk to him anymore. I'd take him out to dinner and it would turn into this huge fight, to the point where I couldn't take it. So now l don't see him anymore. I call his doctor and l think about him a lot. And I worry. 'Cause it's a scary thing. And he was my best friend for a long time [Slash, Musician, December 1990] I felt really bad for Steven. He's saying stuff like "How could they do this to me?" But it wasn't a matter of how we could do this to him. It was how he could do this to us. He was taken care of by the band. Anybody who thinks we just kicked him out is just somebody who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about and doesn't know what went on. We waited for him for a fucking year. How long is a band supposed to wait around? We all wanted to get out and play, and he wanted to play, too. He was just too loaded to do it. Really we did all kinds of things for this kid to get him back to normal, and he refused. Every time he went into rehab, he took off. [...] Steven had no control whatsoever. He didn't want to be in rehab and still wanted to be doing what he's doing. He thought it was very rock & roll. What do you tell a guy like that? So I just said, "Fuck it, that's it. I can't deal with it anymore, we have to get a new drummer" [Slash, Rolling Stone, January 1991] It was the hardest thing in the world having to (drop him) from the band. But we couldn't wait any longer. We had to make the new record. [Slash, Los Angeles Times, July 1991] We tried our best to get Steven back together. Steven - he's always been the child of the band, the one that was always just the happy-go-lucky, sex, drugs and rock'n'roll and that's it. He couldn't understand why the drugs were so separated from rock'n'roll all of a sudden; why he couldn't be a junkie and be in a rock'n'roll band, because the twain are supposed to meet on the same ground. But after a while it's really not like that. You have to take care of yourself. People will not go around wiping your ass for you. So a year went by (three visits to rehab) and I finally said, Steven, you've got to go. (...) It still fucks with me. And I still check up on him. I won't go so far as to say he's clean and I won't go so far as to say he's still fucked up. I know he's unhappy. [Slash, Tears Before Bedtime?; Q July 1991] We had recorded like 18 tracks for the Use Your Illusion I record with Steven and it just wasn’t happening. We put him through rehab like three times. I even went to his drug dealer’s house and threatened him with a gun and said, ‘Dude, if you ever...’ [Duff, Circus Magazine, 1991] July 21, 1991: ^^^ "Alan Nivens" and "Douglas Ostein" UPDATE: 1991, from Steven's press release on his lawsuit: They told me I had a drug problem, well, who the fuck were they to tell me that? A couple alcoholics and heroin users? Did they take some time in between fucking strippers to decide they were going to throw me out of the band? Doug Goldstein took me to have an opiate blocker, which made me very sick. I told them [slash & Duff] that I felt sick and couldn't record. Slash told me we had to, because we couldn't waste the money. I said "Money? What about the money we wasted last year [referring to the 1989 Chicago rehearsal/recording sessions] when Izzy was cleaning himself up, and Axl was nowhere to be found? Why was it okay for those guys to waste the money, but not me [in order to] get well?" So anyway, they bring me into the studio and I feel like shit. It took me forever to get the song [Civil War] right, and they got frustrated with me. So next thing I know, Doug has a stack of papers in front of me that I could never fucking read because they were about five inches thick! He's telling me 'sign here, sign there' and telling me I was signing an agreement saying I was on "probation", meaning I was going to detox in time to record, or else. But it turns out, those papers weren't really giving me that chance. So I don't hear a fucking thing from anyone for awhile, then I got these notices saying 'you're out of the band'. Through my lawyers, I discovered that the "probation" papers that Doug had me sign were actually the rights to my partnership and all my royalties, which I was unknowingly signing away! They completely screwed me out of everything, these guys, [who were] my friends, my family. It hurt more than anything. My royalties were from playing, writing, and [use of] my image such as t shirts and shit. When we recorded [Appetite for Destruction], Slash came up with this system where whoever wrote got credit. But then when it came time to actually divide them up, suddenly everybody was getting credit but me. I mean, [for example] Izzy wrote the song "Think About You" by himself before we started playing it, yet Slash, Duff, and Axl were also going to be receiving royalties for it, since they supposedly "added to it". I said, "well what about me? Did I add nothing?" I mean Izzy wrote the fucking song, I thought that's how the writing credits were determined, but the other guys were getting credit for something they didn't write, and I wasn't. Same thing for all the other songs, Axl would get credit for songs such as "Brownstone" [written by Slash and Izzy] and "It's So Easy" [written by Duff and West Arkeen], even though he didn't write anything on them, and the other guys [who didn't write also got credit] too. So why not me? So Axl gave me a portion of his [to compensate for not being included], and my name was put beside the rest of theirs [in the writing credits] and that was that. But now they've screwed me out of those royalties and my other ones too. Two fucking albums that I played on are still selling and they're collecting money from them, and I'm not. Guns N Roses T shirts with my face on them are still selling, and they're collecting money from them, and I'm not. That's what they did to me, people I thought were my friends took it all away and said goodbye as if I never existed. Fuck that! That's why I sue them, and I'm confident the jury will see it my way." February 2, 1992. Article with excerpts from a Steven interview: Interesting Steven quote: "Everybody thinks Axl runs that band. Axl runs the band in only one way - if he doesn't show up, everybody's (messed up). Slash really runs everything. He was my best friend for more than 15 years, more than half my life. It was his decision, him and Axl, not to pay me." We turned him onto drugs? My f?!king ass! That's so pathetic. Steven is scared to death of me. If he sees me in public, he just turns into a grovelling heap of defeatism. He just doesn't know what to say. He mumbles. I ask him a straightforward question, 'What's your motivation behind this?"' and he doesn't know what to say. Until now I haven't said a word about Steven to the press. I haven't attacked him; I haven't insulted him. I felt sorry for him. I didn't want to hurt him. We gave him a year to get his shit together. He couldn't play any of the new shit anyway. It got to a point where the material was way beyond him. I can't believe this little f?!ker. I read the shit he said about us in Circus (...) He said in that article he's sober now, but every time I've seen him, he's been wasted. I don't know what he's wasted on; I don't even care. I lost all concern and feeling for the guy. And I know a drug lie when I see one. We couldn't get any work done at Rumbo [the original studio where the band started work on Use Your Illusion three years ago]. He cost us a fortune. We had to edit the drum track to 'Civil War' just so we could play to it. At Rumbo, Steven would nod out to the point where he would be on a stool, but his head would be touching the floor. He'd say, 'I'm tired. I'm sleepy,' and he couldn't play. That was basically it. We gave him so many chances to turn around. We took him to Indiana, to play Farm Aid, and he jumps on the drum riser and almost breaks his f?!king neck. Look, Steven was a part of what made Guns N' Roses happen. He had a great energy. He wasn't an insanely great drummer, but he had tons of attitude. When the sex and drugs and the whole bit started to get out of hand, he went right along with it. But there's a certain time when you really have to control your life. I'm not preaching - I'm in no position to preach - but you must be aware of your own existence and take care of your own business. You just can't be loaded all the time and expect everything to be okay. Trust me, I know. As far as the rest of us, we bounced back, we straightened up. Steven never did. We always told each other when it was getting real bad. Everybody was there for the individual who needed help. That's how we're survived as a band. But Steven would never cop to anything, as far as telling us how bad it was. And now he's suing us. Thank you very much [Slash, RIP March 1992] The misconception is that we kicked him out for the hell of it, and that I was the dictator behind it. The truth is, I probably fought a little harder to keep him in the band, because I wasn't working with him on a daily basis like the other guys were. They grew tired of not being able to get their work done because Steven wasn't capable of it. I've read interviews where he's saying that he's straight. Most of the time he isn't. He's the type of person who wants everything handed to him, and he did get it handed to him. He got it handed to him from me (...). I paid $1.5 million by giving him 15% of my publishing off of Appetite For Destruction. He didn't write one goddamn note, but he calls me a selfish dick! He's been able to live off of that money, buy a shitload of drugs and hire lawyers to sue me. (....). I feel bad for him in ways, because he's a real damaged person, but he's making choices to keep himself in that damage. There's nothing we can do at this point. We took him to rehabs, we threatened his drug dealers, we helped him when he slashed his wrists. I even forgave him after he nearly killed my wife. I had to spend a night with her in an intensive-care unit because her heart had stopped thanks to Steven. She was hysterical, and he shot her up with a speedball. She had never done jack shit as far as drugs go, and he shoots her up with a mixture of heroin and cocaine? I kept myself from doing anything to him. I kept the man from being killed by members of her family. I saved him from having to go to court, because her mother wanted him held responsible for his actions. And the sonofabitch turns on me? I mean, yeah, I'm a difficult person to deal with, and I'm a pain in the ass to understand, and I've had my share of problems, but Steven benefited greatly from his involvement with me - more than I did from knowing him. Steven had a lot of fans, but he was a real pain in the ass. I need to keep him in my life for you? F?!k you! ["I, Axl" Del James, RIP Magazine - 1992] At this time I had nearly managed to get clean up, from everything. When I was looking at the band, I would see Stevie, who was a good guy, who's been struggling with us during all these years, but couldn't handle it anymore. He was a real millstone, he needed to clean up! Fuck... We all tried to help him, to support him. But no, finally, we'd been on the road with this guy for years and we lived this dilemma: "OK. We leave him six months doing nothing without any guarantee it gets better, or we forget about the double album and we burry the band?" Actually, the industry's machine woke up and the answer was: "We take someone else to cut these records." It's wasn't an easy decision. [Izzy, Rock & Folk, September 1992] August 21, 1993: Metropolitan Digest / LOS ANGELES COUNTY NEWS IN BRIEF LOS ANGELES : Guns N' Roses Manager Tells of Drummer's Exit The manager of Guns N' Roses testified Friday that ex-drummer Steven Adler was put on probation to help save him from a deadly heroin addiction, not to cheat him out of money. "I tried for a year and a half to get him clean, and we decided we had to do more," Doug Goldstein told a Los Angeles Superior Court jury. "We had to clean him up because he'd wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars" in worthless studio and rehearsal time, Goldstein said. The testimony came in the trial of a lawsuit brought by Adler in July, 1991, against his former band mates--Axl Rose (whose real name is William Bailey), former rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin (Jeffrey Isbell), bass guitarist Michael (Duff) McKagan and lead guitarist Slash (Saul Hudson). Adler alleges that he was thrown out of Guns N' Roses and cheated out of his share of millions of dollars the heavy metal group made during the 1980s. On March 28, 1990, Adler signed an agreement that forfeited his rights as a partner in the band. He essentially became an employee of the band for a 30-day probation period, during which he was urged to kick his heroin addiction. August 24, 1993: September 25, 1993: UPDATE: October 1, 1993. Report containing a statement by Alan Niven: October 4, 1993: October 21, 1993 (same content as the newspaper clip right above except for the last sentence): Yeah, we've got to pay [Steven] a lot of money. For no fuckin' reason that I can understand. [Slash, Q magazine, March 1994] ----------------------------- Some later quotes: As I feared, [Steven] had become the odd man out. At rehearsals, Duff and I had the tedious job of dealing with him. While Axl was aware of the situation, he wasn't obligated to watch over Steven 24/7 like we were. (...) Steven was becoming a heavier burden every day [Slash, autobiography, 2007] We were saying to him, 'Steven, you're fucked up.' We said: 'Me and Slash, we're fucked up, but you're really fucked up'. I remember saying to him: 'If me and Slash think you're fucked up, think about who's saying that...[Duff, Classic Rock, 2002] We had this unwritten sort of code – pull it back when it’s sensible, when it’s time to record or time to play a show. Pull it back. Check yourself. There had been a few times where we’d check each other. You know: ‘hey dude…’ And that’s all you’d have to say. It was a sort of honour amongst thieves. But Steven wasn’t able to pull it back time and time again. The irony wasn’t lost, even then. Slash and I told him quite a few times: ‘Dude, it’s us talking to you. If we’re telling you you’re getting too fucked up, you’re getting too fucked up. Look who’s talking to you. We’re the guys that everyone else is worried about, and we’re worried about you.’ It was really heartbreaking. We warned him too many times [Duff, Classic Rock, 2011] When we started rehearsing the material [for Use Your Illusion] that's when Steven's house of cards came crashing down. He was utterly useless when put to the test: most of the time he'd fade away from the proper time signature somewhere in the middle of the song or just forget where he was altogether. He was just incapable of locking in with Duff or me like he used to do. It was pretty dire; something had to be done . [Slash, autobiography, 2007] We tried for the longest time to give Steven a vision and a function. There was a combination of factors going on. One was that he could just not connect to the kind of material that Axl was writing. “Coma”, “Estranged” … he’d just roll his eyes. And, of course, the fact that he had no control over his heroin habit. [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, Last Of The Giants, 2016] Steven just kept on lying. He kept saying he'd given up. I'd already been around to his dealer's house and threatened to kill him if he sold Steven any more drugs. And one night I went round to Steven's house and pressed the redial button on his phone. And guess where it went? And that was that [Duff, Classic Rock, May 2006] It got so bad, and he seemed so incapable of reining it in, that at one point I found out where his drug dealer lived and took a shotgun to teh guy's home. Fuelled by booze, obviously. I waited for him, intending to threaten the fuck out of this dude to get him to stop supplying Stevie with the things that were going to kill him. It's lucky this guy never showed up - lucky for him, of course, but also for me [Duff, autobiography, 2011] At this point the truth was that if his playing had been fine, I don’t think anyone would have cared what he was doing to himself—at least I wouldn’t have. If you can handle both the music and the drugs, more power to you. We weren’t really concerned for Steven’s health as much as we were pissed off that his addiction was handicapping his performance, and therefore the rest of us. Since the bass and drums are the foundation of any rock band, the situation was very disconcerting all around. [Slash, autobiography, 2007] The last show I ever played with them was over at Farm Aid. And to this day, I never heard the original version of “Down on the farm.” I guess some punk band (UK Subs) did it, and we’re on stage and all of a sudden Axl goes; “This is a song 'down on a farm.” And I yelled at Duff: “I go, Duff, Duff, what the fuck is this, how does this go?” And he just clapped his hands and just says; “just do this (clapping hands) boom, boom, boom.” And that song came out so kick ass, because I knew what Duff was gonna play before he played it. Yeah, each of us knew what we were gonna do before, we were, each of us were gonna do it. And I mean, if somebody was gonna hit a wrong note, which rarely happened, or something, (pauses) we knew it was gonna happen before. It just was so tight. It was just wonderful, and then for them to just turn on me – that was pretty much the worst moment. [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] Farm Aid was the last show we ever played with him. When we got back to L.A., Steven got even worse - I don't know, maybe because he knew the end was near, or maybe because heroine is that shrewd of a devil. There were a few more rehab stints, but they were short-lived, maybe twenty-four to forty-eight hours at a time. The last straw came when we were asked to donate a track to a charity album called 'Nobody's Child,' (...). By then we were completely alienated from Steven. In that session, there was us and there was him. After it was finished, before Mike Clink could mix it, he found that he had to cut and paste the whole drum track together [Slash, autobiography, 2007] When producer Mike Clink and I had pieced together the drum track for 'Civil War' earlier that year, it was clear Steven was not going to be able to perform with us if he didn't turn things around. When we had played a couple songs to a huge crowd at Farm Aid in April, he was a mess onstage. After that we thought we could scare him straight. We told him we were auditioning drummers and figured he's snap out of it as soon as he heard that. When that didn't work, we hired a professional sober coach, Bob Timmons, who had helped Aerosmith get clean, to talk to him. [Duff, autobiography, 2011] I wanted to get off heroin and, because I just started doing it with the guys. And I didn’t know you got sick. The first day I got sick I called up my manager and I said; “dude, I don’t what the fuck is going on, but I feel sick.” And (pauses) he took me to this doctor and this doctor gave me an opiate blocker. But you can’t take an opiate blocker when you’re on heroin. And then if you did do heroin, nothing would happen. But you can’t take it until you’re completely off the heroin. And I got completely, so sick, and they wanted to go in and record “Civil War.” I said: “Slash dude, I’m so sick I can’t do it right now.” And he said; “We can’t waste the money, we got to do it now!” I said dude; “Don’t even tell me about wasting money, we know one other person who is wasting SO much fucking money, we can wait another week.” [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] Man, I was fucked up, and I have never denied that, I couldn’t really deny it because it was pretty fuckin’ obvious…But I wasn’t the only one. I remember one day Slash called me to go to the studio and play Civil War, I think it was. I’d been given an opiate blocker by a doctor. I still had opiates in my system and it made me so sick. I must have tried, like, 20 times to play it, but I couldn’t. I was very weak and I didn’t have my timing. Slash and Duff were shouting at me and telling me I was fucked up. [Steven Adler, Classic Rock, 2011] The writing was on the wall, and things quickly came to a head. Axl's patience as far as Steve went was long gone, so we had the inevitable get-together to discuss the situation; with Alan [Niven]'s support, Axl insisted that we give Steven a written ultimatum. It was a contract that Steve was forced to sign, that at best we hoped would scare him sober and at worst would orchestrate his departure from the band. The paperwork was clear; it said that if Steven showed up high to recording sessions, he'd be fined. If he did it three times, he'd be fired, or something along those lines. Steven signed it, he agreed to all of the terms, and like anyone caught in the throes of smack, he ignored all the promises he made and continued the way he had been [Slash, autobiography, 2007] We were like, what do we do? We had a band lawyer, and it was like, okay, you’ve got to warn him formally. This will scare him. You’re gonna get six months and you’ve got to do this and that. The lawyer’s like, okay, we’ll try that. We really thought that he’d pull it back and he didn’t. All the way up to getting Matt Sorum to play on the record, we thought that would get Steven back. Then we realised, it’s just not going to happen. It’s just not. I wouldn’t be being honest if I told you I knew exactly the point. I don’t remember exactly when it was but it was right in there. I just thought for a while, he’s going to come through this cycle. I’m not sitting here twenty years later in judgement. We all had our battles. [Duff, quoted in Mick Wall, The Last Of The Giants, 2016] The day after the “Civil War” recording session, Doug called me and asked me to come down to the office to sign some papers. He offered no explanation for his behavior the previous day, and I didn’t try to lay on any guilt. I just told him I was still very ill. There was a long silence on the phone, then Dougie told me that the matter was very important and wouldn’t take long. He told me he had been instructed by the GNR attorneys to tell me that my presence was absolutely required. In spite of what had gone down, I still wanted to believe that Dougie was my caring wingman, and when he promised I would be in and out of there quickly, I decided to rally. I cared more for his situation than my own. I could hear the stress in Doug’s voice and I didn’t want to bust his balls, so I got myself together and Cheryl drove me. When I walked in, Dougie and one of our lawyers, a professional-looking middle-aged woman, had a stack of papers for me to read. Read!? I couldn’t even see. They told me all I had to do was sign at the bottom of all the pages with the colored paper clips attached. I asked what this was all about. Dougie told me, “It’s nothing to worry about.” In my condition, I wasn’t about to read all this shit, but I was a little freaked and my jaw just dropped. In essence, I thought I was agreeing not to party and not to screw up on any band-related activities for the next four weeks. If I fucked up, they would fine me $2,000. I thought, “What the hell, no problem. The band doesn’t even have anything scheduled during the next month, and even so, what’s two grand?” I signed everything. I just wanted to get out of there, go home, and lie down. I discovered later that what I had actually signed away was my life. What the legal papers actually stated was that they were going to give me $2,000 for my contribution to Guns N’ Roses. Everything else, my royalties, my partnership in the band, my rights, was gone! Of course, I didn’t know this at the time. I’m sure with all these papers I naively signed, they thought they had my fate sealed. They had a signed, ironclad deal against me. [Steven Adler, autobiography, 2011] I got a call a few weeks after that and I had to go to the office and there was all these stacks of papers, contracts, for me to sign, and I realised that I was being fired. It ended up with me having to go to court to get my royalties and my writing credits [Steven Adler, Classic Rock, 2011] In no way was it minor. It was incredibly painful and frustrating. I’ve got to confess I’m still capable of a flash of red-hot anger with Steven at that. I have an understanding of why and what happened to him. But it was survivable. We spent a lot of time with Steven trying to get him through it and I resent the fact that he plays the victim, I think that’s bullshit. You know, own up, Steven. Be responsible for your own decisions and actions. You let us down, all of us. And we got to the point where putting him on probation didn’t work. [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, The Last Of The Giants, 2016] I'm not sure of the exact timetable, but it didn't take long for Steven to violate the terms of the sobriety contract we handed him, and once he did, he was done for. (...) I couldn't deny the fact that kicking Steven out of Guns N' Roses for drug abuse was kind of ridiculous and excessively harsh. It was also hypocritical. [Slash, autobiography, 2007] Slash and I served as the voice of the band during Steven's last days wit GN'R. But no matter what we said to him, nothing changed. We told him we were getting ready to enter the studio. Still no change. Finally, we suggested he get a lawyer. It was meant to scare him, but it proved convenient for Slash, Axl, Izzy and me. In the end we had our lawyer tell his lawyer that he was permanently out [Duff, autobiography, 2011] Axl was fucking convinced that Erin had been overdosed and raped. Well, that’s going to go down well, isn’t it? That was a really clever choice that you made there, Steven, and it really helped everybody. Is it any surprise that we got to the point that we had to seriously consider getting someone else? Did we have any choice? [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, Last Of The Giants, 2016] I called the ambulance and saved [Erin], [and] this bitch [McCoy’s wife] tells Axl I gave her heroin. He calls me up and says he’s coming over with a shotgun to kill me… [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] It was totally regrettable. But the band finally got to the place where we wanted to make a record, which was a hard enough place to get to… We’re talking about the span of about a year, which to us was like a lifetime, and Steven… we could not get him back to front. We were resigned to the fact that he wasn’t going to be able to do it in the time frame that we needed to get going, because we might miss the bus. We might fall apart again and take another year to get it together. [Slash, Classic Rock, 2011] Sadly, we had to replace our founding drummer because of acute drug problems. We had to replace him so that we could finally get on with making our new record and touring [Duff, Reverb, December 2009] All I remember is that the next time I saw Steve was in court, because he sued us, which seemed asinine. He was in such bad shape that I knew what he was doing when he headed to the bathroom in the middle of the proceedings. He sued us for a couple of million buck for a glitch in the execution of his sobriety contract. He needed to have an attorney present when he signed it, and he hadn't had one. Of course, thanks to our attorneys, we didn't know this. I was shocked when I found out that Steven won his lawsuit and we had to pay him two million bucks [Slash, autobiography, 2007] I continued to hole up in my room, completely adrift, doing my thing. I don’t know how (maybe through Cheryl), but my mom discovered that the band had cut me off completely and that I wasn’t going to be receiving any more checks from Guns N’ Roses. Mom really went to bat for me. She contacted a top entertainment lawyer and proceeded to sue the band. I had given her the go-ahead and was all for it, but I was barely involved. When I had to take the stand, my nerves were shot. I kept a small stash in my pants and every chance I could, I went to the bathroom for a few hits. As a result, I delayed proceedings more than once. But the jury liked me. They believed I was honest and candid, because I was. During the course of the proceedings, they dragged the whole band in. Can you imagine how I felt watching Axl and Slash speaking out against me? Axl and Slash took the stand and came off completely cocky and arrogant. You stupid fucks. Thanks, boys. Your condescending attitude was one sweet gift to me. You thoroughly alienated the jury and I was awarded $2.5 million in dam ages and regained my 15 percent in continuous royalties. [Steven Adler, autobiography, 2011] The biggest check I got handed to me, it didn’t come in the mail, uh, was two million two hundred fifty thousand dollars. ($ 2,250,000.00). It wasn't the pay off, it was what they owed me. And I got all my royalties back, and I got my (in-audible), I got everything back. They took every, wanted, they wanted to give me two thousand dollars and throw me in the street. And take my royalties, my song writing credits, they wanted to take everything from me. I got my two million two hundred fifty thousand dollars. That was already owed to me from when the lawsuit – whole thing was going on, and got all my royalties and rights back. I get 15% of everything. [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] This whole cockamamie thing about “they didn’t pay me my royalties” is bullshit. He was paid his royalties and in fact he was paid composer royalties that he didn’t deserve. That was a courtesy bestowed on him by the rest of the band in a sense of all for one and one for all. [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, Last Of The Giants, 2016] And from a Steven interview a few days ago: One day I just went, 'This isn't cool. I don't wanna do this anymore,'" he said of his decision to quit doing drugs. "And I didn't realize that if you're doing heroin and then you stop doing it, you get violently sick — violently sick. Like, the inside of your bones ache — the inside of your every bone, it aches so bad and you just wanna die. And I called my manager and I said, 'Dude, I'm so fucking sick. I don't understand what's going on.' So he came and picked me up, he took me to this doctor, and the doctor gave me an opiate blocker. Well, you're not supposed to take an opiate blocker while you have opiates in your system or you get even more violently sick. Three days go by, and I'm calling a doctor and I'm going, 'What the fuck did you do to me?' And, like, four days go by, and [GUNS N' ROSES guitarist] Slash called and said, 'Well, we're going in the studio to record 'Civil War'.' And I said, 'Dude, I'm so sick. Please, can we just wait one more week? I'm so sick.' And he said, 'We can't waste the money. We've gotta do this song.' So I go in at A&M Records to record, and I'm so weak and sick. And I did my best, but I had to play, like, 25 times. So they were getting frustrated. And I kept telling them, 'I'm sick.' And they kept saying, 'No, you're not. You're just fucked up.' And I said, 'I'm not fucked up. I'm sick.' And I got kicked out. (...) Once I got kicked out of GN'R, I had to sign this contract. They took everything from me. I didn't know that. Then I had to take them to court. [Steven Adler interview, "Mom, It's Not Devil Music!", transcribed by Blabbermouth, February 5 2018] -------------------------------- CONCLUSIONS IN SHORT 1. Having Steven sign the contract, demoting him to an employee and subsequently firing him was a collective decision of the band and management, even if some members (Izzy specifically) were more hesitant about his firing. 2. The main claim in Steven's lawsuit was that he signed the contract without having a clear mind and knowing its terms, so it was invalid. Since, as it seems, he wasn't represented by his own attorney when he signed it, the jury would probably rule in favour of him (as there was a conflict of interests and he couldn't be represented by the band's lawyers); so the band had to go to an out of court settlement and pay him. 3. Despite of what Steven has said, it doesn't seem that the contract touched his publishing rights (i.e. the rights to royalties from songwriting credits), namely his 15% percentage of royalties from that. He also continued receiving royalties corresponding to his 20% share in the partnership for the recordings during the time he was an equal partner, as is evident from this clause in the 1992 partnership agreement: What seems to have been the case is that there were clauses in the contract Steven signed with which, besides being demoted to an employee and having to pay fines for every day he was still on drugs, he gave up some of his rights as a leaving partner and mostly his right to sell his share/be bought out.
  6. 20 points
    Coming into the last 2 pages of this thread thinking it will be about Sean...
  7. 18 points
    GNR LIES: Izzy Stradlin' Edition (Non Izzy-related quotes provided for additional insight and/or context) PROLOGUE: IZZY LEAVES GNR W. AXL ROSE DUFF SLASH: Izzy Stradlin'
  8. 17 points
  9. 17 points
    Apparently Izzy was at a soundcheck last year, but something went wrong. That's a small part of our 2 hour conversation we had yesterday. Mitch Lafon is the guest co-host. Enjoy! Episode 48 of The AFD Show is a big one. First, joining Brando as special co-host is rock podcaster/journalist, Mitch LaFon. This is the 2nd appearance on the show for Mitch, as we profiled his career in Ep. 16. You can find his show "Rock Talk w/Mitch Lafon" on Westwood One (part of The Chris Jericho Network). Mitch answers fan questions, including if he knows anything about new AC/DC or GNR albums. Then we welcome in Alan Niven, the first official manager of Guns N' Roses. Alan doesn't hold back; from his first impressions of GNR, to the eventual change in management, to specific tours (Rolling Stones/Iron Maiden), to his relationship with Izzy Stradln, to Axl/DC, to mental health, and even hockey! This is a must-listen for all GNR fans as you may find out things you didn't know before. Alan also answers YOUR submitted questions. Plus as a bonus, at the end of the episode Alan shares new music with us from the band Razor - “It's a Motherf**ker” ...a new band he manages. Follow/subscribe/leave us a review!
  10. 15 points
  11. 15 points
    Because everybody knows who Howard Stern is. I am a nobody. You expect me to get the deepest darkest secrets from a first time conversation? Not going to happen unless I try tricking them or manipulating them into giving information they don’t want. Then I develop no relationship for future follow-up interviews and future guests if I develop a reputation like that. If Howard Stern wasn’t “Howard Stern,” nobody would talk to him. It’s because he has the audience and the brand name. “It is a pleasure to take on the obligation with someone who has the ability to apply some depth beyond common predictable cliche. You are a good interview ... otherwise I would have been brief and gone. Hopefully we stimulated some thought in the listener.” - Alan Niven
  12. 15 points
    Made it 7mins in.... TOO! LONG! I don't care who's playing guitar, it could be the resurrected Jimi Hendrix, I still don't want to hear 30 minutes of noodling... and that's what that is, in case you're thinking it's something else. I don't mind a longer than usual solo in RQ, IF he has to do it... but I'd almost leave the gig if he did that while I was there for 20+ minutes. For me, the really long solo just kills the impact of the rest of the song. Finally, say what you want but at least those guys had the musical sense not to bore a crowd for 30 minutes with doodles, 2/3/4 minutes of solos and they wrapped it up. Nobody payed £30/60 to hear a 25 min guitar solo, not even people who adore the whole off Slash. There's something about certain guitar players as they age, losing their sensibilities for what people want to hear.
  13. 14 points
    2.10 Sounds like slash says "The other hit song we wrote was Estranged" I could watch this shit all day love Duffs bass tone
  14. 14 points
    So hold on, did my post turn out to be correct? HOLE LEE SHIT!!!!
  15. 14 points
    GnR playing a song written by Bob Dylan, IN THEIR OWN WAY! Seriously? WHY? GnR playing a song written by Paul McCartney, IN THEIR OWN WAY! Seriously? WHY? GnR playing a song written by Pete Townsend, IN THEIR OWN WAY! Seriously? WHY? ...and so on and to answer the WHY question...Because they can, and it's called cover version
  16. 13 points
  17. 13 points
    Why not? He’s someone we care about. So for me it’s interesting to know what he has to say, since we dont get to hear from him a lot anyway. Plus, who are we to tell him or anyone to shut up about his beliefs. Thats a ignorant thing to say in my opinion. He's not just a musician who has to deliver a product to us, he is also a human being like everyone else who can say whatever is on his mind. Thats in a lot of cases not a good thing either, but i'd say there are lots of people who are interested to hear what someone like axl has to say
  18. 13 points
    Tim Cook at apple, fuck you, suck my fucking dick youre ripping off the kids with their hard earned gbs with the shitty service you do, you wanna antagonize me? delete my catalogue motherfucker...
  19. 13 points
    That seems unnecessary and excessive. The guy has a point of view, as respectable as anyone else’s. I find that’s the whole point of a forum, otherwise it’s just a circle jerk or a bunch of guys sucking each other off and patting each other on the back just because they have the same opinion.
  20. 13 points
    Back in 2002-2003 (I think) I was scouring eBay for a LP copy of Live Like a Suicide and whatever novelty items I could find. I came in contact with someone who was helping Niven sell a huge collection of old GNR stuff he kept in his garage (or somewhere). I could be wrong, but I believe Niven back then didn't think too fondly of GNR/Axl back then and was happy to clear some space and make a little money on the side. The list included tens, if not hundreds, of different awards, albums, and different GNR merch and paraphernalia. I remember one of the items listed was a Platinum RIAA Award with Izzy's name on it for UYI2. It was a definitely a treasure trove of collectibles. At the time, I was only in my early twenties not making a lot of money, I was limited to what I could buy so I "settled" on the RIAA Gold Award for AFD with Niven's name on it. I wish I still had that email with the list but unfortunately I was using an email account I no longer use or have access to. Keep in mind that I think he had a number of these as I believe the RIAA will issue as many copies as an artist wants. And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the RIAA issues platinum awards for each time an album goes platinum. Then again maybe I was bamboozled and both the RIAA award and the LLAS LP I purchased are both fakes. They did come with a letter from Niven stating that both were real, but who really knows. Regardless, whether real or not, they're some of my favourite GNR items I own. Here is a photo from my office where I hang the RIAA award along side my two sealed copies of UYI1 & UYI2 (the UYI albums were purchased elsewhere):
  21. 13 points
    That fan must’ve asked Axl about new music
  22. 12 points
  23. 12 points
    We spent 2 hours interviewing Teddy today! Great interview. Check it out!
  24. 12 points
    We sat down with Dizzy earlier this week to talk GNR, his solo album and embarassing moments on stage.
  25. 12 points
    I'll say the same thing I replied on Twitter with last night: Absolutely no one cares about your political opinions Axl. For the love of Christ, just put out some music.
  26. 12 points
  27. 11 points
    Interviewing the original drummer, Mr. Rob Gardner on Sunday. Interview and pics thanks to Mr. Raz Cue. Figured I'd share these now and gather questions. Original 5: Rob, Ole, Axl, Izzy, and Tracii. And yes, that's Axl with LA Guns.
  28. 11 points
    Where do I start. First of all, that is my opinion, which I'm entitled to and I'm not the only one who said she's very vague regarding her posts. I believe social media accounts are for sharing things with family/friends that aren't close by or always together so that they may keep up with what's happening in your lives. A lot of her posts appear to me to be a call for attention because she will post something odd and not explain anything, that's just how I see it.Nothing I said was spiteful anymore so than what you speak about Sasha, so don't be a hypocrite. Erin has children and baring your ass on Insta, knowing your children can see it, just not tasteful in my opinion, again which I'm entitled to. I'm not a crazy woman who is attacking her because Axl loved her, why would I care who he loved or loves. As far as Beta, I have always been very respectful of her and I always will be. You're trying to make me out to be a body shamer or a bully when that is exactly what I'm not, nor do I stand for. I never said she looked bad in the swimsuit, I said maybe she wasn't comfortable with the picture being on Insta. We all know Beta doesn't like being on camera, very obvious from her reactions to Fernando filming her. There were questions as to why the pic was taken down and I was throwing out a possible reason for it. Nothing wrong with that. Now do you want me to get started on who the real body shamer is here? The majority of your posts are attacking Axl for his weight, his mustache, his clothing, etc etc........... Take a look back at all of my posts here and then take a look at yours and I think you will find that you are the bully.
  29. 11 points
    Really? I read through his last posts and I haven't seen any insults at all
  30. 11 points
  31. 11 points
    He could never beat Bucket's live performances during the concerts in 2001 and 2002
  32. 10 points
    Pretty sure waiting outside somebodies private home still counts as stalking...
  33. 10 points
  34. 10 points
    Even if she was a prostitute before. What is exactly Axl Rose judging on? He never had contact with whores before, no no no! Also shaming a woman to express dislike with her husband is such a misogynist fucking thing to do. It’s really ridiculous and also not being political at all. She is not the politician you wanna work against, it’s her husband. Name what he’s doing wrong, don’t shame her. Fuck you Axl!
  35. 10 points
    Regarding that Slash Eli Roth premiere... I'm not gonna be that guy... but... those people - the japanese chick and on the right that latin chick and that guy... HAVE YOU GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO?!?! Obsessing and following the GNR to death that it becomes a mental disease. And before some of you antagonize me by saying - ' Their life, their money, their choice...what it's up to you..?' Woah... you fucking serious? They got no life whatsoever - probably see Slash and Axl more times than their family members.. I mean...get a life for fucks sake... I would get bored seeing GnR that many times even if it was AFD5...
  36. 10 points
    Its a shame it didnt work but I cant agree with the notion that everything is up to Axl, Slash and Duff and some kind of evil plan as a lot of users here like to say. It can be something related to the three as much as it can be something personal for Izzy, but its easier to just point fingers and say: Yeah, Axl did this, Duff backstabed that, Slash wanted more for the allimony and so on.
  37. 10 points
    Alright, I had a closer look at her IG account and I'm posting this to end all the speculations. The pics aren't hers, she steals them on the internet and I'm sure she uses pic of another girl, probably stolen from a private IG account. She's not the only psycho gnr fan to do it. Here are some proofs: stolen from this site: http://www.iamambernicole.com/blog/2015/2/22/24-hours-exploring-la-jolla stolen from this site: https://weheartit.com/entry/184443184 from this Facebook site with a bit of a photoshop: These two can be found on Pinterest: this one stolen from here: https://weheartit.com/entry/285355605 I guess I could go on but you get the point. The whole Instagram world allows anyone to create a completely different world, fucking far from reality. I'm sorry for Axl that he attracts such psychos but please don't feed the trolls.
  38. 10 points
    yeah, why don't we make fun of a man with a stroke induced speech impedement, who speaks over a crackling phone, which is communicated over crappy FM station, then posted on youtube, and point out how weird he sounds your mother would sound weird in the same situation. pay some fucking respect to this member of the appetite 5
  39. 10 points
    Technically not a pic of me... but.... Guess who turned 1 today?
  40. 9 points
    This is by no means an exhaustive list - but I think putting relevant events/quotes of what each member/crew person has said and seeing everything in one place should paint a clearer picture of what may or may not have gone down with the reunion. As always, draw your own conclusions. Reunion Timeline http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-reunion-timeline/
  41. 9 points
  42. 9 points
    Happy Women’s day everyone!!!!!! Thanks for this thread, our discussions, the madness, the debauchery, the drooling, the complaining and the never ending procrastination.
  43. 9 points
    Normally I would post this in the memorabilia section but since there isn't a ton of GNR news right now and since this update literally contains historic items I figured I'd put it here. As always I completely understand if it gets moved. Well even I can’t believe it, but I am finally done with my website/collection update. Until newly purchased items arrive anyway, lol. The formatting has changed slightly in some sections, and I am still working on making thumbnails of the pictures of some of the older items. It has been over 4 years since the last update and I have acquired lots of great stuff since then. The signed items were all bought that way either because the item itself is rare or because the price was right. I usually try to by things unsigned. Even when I buy signed I try real hard not to have things that were personalized (addressed to the person having the item signed). The one exception so far to that is the Mexico 1993 poster only due to the extreme rarity of the poster itself. Here are the highlights (there are many!): Civil War Mexico Compilation Promo 7: http://www.troccolitm.com/7CivMexPro.html November Rain Red Border Picture Disc: http://www.troccolitm.com/12NovRedPD.html Civil War Spain 12” w/ shirt sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/12CivilSpa.html Mega rare November Rain Gold Border Picture Disc: http://www.troccolitm.com/12NRGold.html YCBM Spain Alternate Labels 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12YCBMSpa.html I almost sold this thinking it was another Australia copy! Estranged New Zealand Cassette Tape: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeEstNZ.html LALD France Cassette Tape sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/tapeliveletfrance.html YCBM France Cassette Tape sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeYCBMFrance.html November Rain France Cassette Tape sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeNovRainFrance.html Don’t Cry France Cassette Tape sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeDontFrance.html KOHD France Cassette Tape sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/tapeknockfrance.html Super rare Estranged Mexico Promo 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7EstrMexPro.html LALD France promo-stamped 7” (hard to see the promo stamp but I will work on getting a better pic): http://www.troccolitm.com/7LALDFraProStmpGl.html I know most of us think these sleeves are all fake and normally I do too, but the press sheet looks legit so now I don't know. November Rain Mexico promo 7” w/ sleeve and press sheet: http://www.troccolitm.com/7NRMexPro.html UYI1 Portugal gold stamp promo 2LP: http://www.troccolitm.com/12UYI1PortPro.html UYI2 Portugal gold stamp promo 2LP: http://www.troccolitm.com/12UYI2PortPro.html SCOM Italy hole-punched promo 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7SCOMItaProMt.html Possible boot sleeve, record is legit. SCOM Mexico promo 7” w/ sleeve: http://www.troccolitm.com/7SCOMMexProSLv.html AFD Ecuador promo 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppEcuPro.html AFD France promo-stamped 12” (hard to see the promo stamp but I will work on getting a better pic): http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppFraPro.html AFD Germany promo 12” w/ fact sheet: http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppGermFact.html AFD Germany gold-stamped promo 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppGermPro.html SCOM Italy hole-punched promo 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12SCOMItalyPro.html ISE UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7ISEUKWhiteGl.html LALD UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7LALDUKWhiteGl.html My Michelle Sweden bootleg test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7MichSwedWhite.html Nightrain Germany misprint 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7NightGermMisp.html Nightrain UK misprint 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7NightUKGlMisp.html November Rain UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7NRUKWhiteGl.html Paradise City UK misprint 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7ParaUKGlMisp.html Paradise City UK misprint 7” different: http://www.troccolitm.com/7ParaUKMispMt.html Patience Germany misprint 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7PatGermMispMt.html SCOM 1st Issue UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7SCOMUKWhiteMt.html SCOM 2nd Issue UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7SCOMUK2ndWhiteGl.html WTTJ 2nd Issue UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7WTTJUK2ndWhiteGl.html WTTJ 1st Issue UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7WTTJUKWhiteGl.html WTTJ US misprint 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7WTTJUSMisp.html YCBM UK test pressing 7”: http://www.troccolitm.com/7YCBMUKWhiteGl.html Nightrain uncut picture disc clear test pressing: http://www.troccolitm.com/7NightClearTest.html I wanted this fucker for a long time. Paradise City uncut picture disc black test pressing: http://www.troccolitm.com/7ParaBlack.html Paradise City uncut picture disc clear test pressing: http://www.troccolitm.com/7ParaClearTest.html ISE UK test pressing 12” w/ info sheet and cool sleeve: http://www.troccolitm.com/12ISETest.html AFD Germany test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppGermWL.html AFD Simply Vinyl UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppUKSimpPro.html Don’t Cry Argentina test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12DontArgWL.html ISE UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12ISEUKWL.html KOHD UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12KOHDUKWL.html LALD Germany misprint sleeve 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12LALDGermMisp.html LALD UK orange vinyl test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12LALDUKOrWL.html Lies Germany misprint 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12LiesGermMisp.html Lies EU test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12LiesWhiteEU.html Live Era US 4LP test pressing: http://www.troccolitm.com/12LiveEraTest.html Mega rare Nightrain UK blue vinyl 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12NightBlue.html Mega rare Nightrain UK green vinyl 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12NightGreen.html Mega rare Nightrain UK red vinyl 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12NightRed.html Paradise City Germany test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12ParaGermWL.html Paradise City UK misprint 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12ParaUKMisp.html Paradise City UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12ParaUKWL.html Patience UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12PatUKWL.html SCOM UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12SCOMUKWL.html WTTJ UK test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12WTTJUKWL.html YCBM Argentina test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12YCBMArgWL.html YCBM UK clear vinyl test pressing 12”: http://www.troccolitm.com/12YCBMUKTest.html Nightrain US cassette misprint: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeNightUSMisp.html Did you know Izzy went by the last name Stranded before Stradlin'? Neither did I! If you need further proof see the 1st newsletter down below. Izzy GNR demo tape: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeDemoIzzy.html Looks liek Duff's writing to me! Estranged white label tape: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeEstWL.html Insanely rare SCOM UK 7” w/ badge glossy sleeve: http://www.troccolitm.com/7SCOMUKBadgeGl.html Insanely rare SCOM UK 7” w/ badge matt sleeve: http://www.troccoli.com/7SCOMUKBadgeMt.html What!?!?!? SCOM US black cassette: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeSCOMUSBlack.html Insanely rare Patience UK 7” w/ badge glossy sleeve: http://www.troccolitm.com/7PatBadgeGl.html Insanely rare Patience UK 7” w/ badge matt sleeve: http://www.troccolitm.com/7PatBadgeMt.html AFD US signed twice by entire band: http://www.troccolitm.com/12AppSign.html AFD US weird longbox sealed: http://www.troccolitm.com/LongboxApp.html Life From The Jungle misprint cd: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDLiveJungMisp.html SIDHY New Zealand cassette: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeSinceNZ.html Ain’t It Fun New Zealand cassette: http://www.troccolitm.com/TapeAintNZ.html TSI Germany w/ cloth bag: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDTSIGermBag.html Greatest Hits Japan acetate cd: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDGreatJapWL.html SFTD Japan/US promo cd: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDSympJapProAlt.html SFTD Colombia promo cd: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDSFTDColPro.html Chinese Democracy w/ Greatest Hits Philippines package: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDChiDemGreatPhil.html Chinese Democracy Red Hand cover signed: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDChiDemRedHand.html Chinese Democracy Grenade cover signed: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDChiDemGrenade.html Greatest Hits Russia w/ sticker: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDGreatRuss.html Greatest Hits Volume 2 test press: http://www.troccolitm.com/CDVol2Great.html Appetite For Democracy Vegas Residency collection: http://www.troccolitm.com/VegRes.html No Trickery Vegas Residency collection: http://www.troccolitm.com/NoTrick.html That's right, this is THE banner that hung behind them during some of their early club appearances in LA. Club Days Banner: http://www.troccolitm.com/Banner.html Lies Artwork: http://www.troccolitm.com/LiesArt.html Robert John/Gene Kirkland Photo Order Forms: http://www.troccolitm.com/RJPhotoOrder.html 1986 Street Scene Pass: http://www.troccolitm.com/StreetScenePass.html Here you can see that Izzy went by Stranded and Steven went by Bam Bam early on. Having this is what gave me the confidence to buy the demo tape. If someone was going to fake a demo tape why the fuck would they write Stranded on it, you know? This newsletter also makes me feel better about buying this early fan club info sheet (http://www.troccolitm.com/EarlyFanClubSheet.html). I still want to know what that info sheet was torn from. 1st Newsletter complete: http://www.troccolitm.com/1stNews.html 2nd Newsletter complete: http://www.troccolitm.com/2ndNews.html 3rd Newsletter complete: http://www.troccolitm.com/3rdNews.html 4th Newsletter complete: http://www.troccolitm.com/4thNews.html 5th Newsletter complete: http://www.troccolitm.com/5thNews.html 6th Newsletter complete: http://www.troccolitm.com/6thNews.html 3/16/87 Whiskey All Access Pass: http://www.troccolitm.com/031687Pass.html 3/29/87 Roxy Easy Access Baby Pass: http://www.troccolitm.com/032987Pass.html 4/26/88 Burlington, IA memorabilia: http://www.troccolitm.com/042688Stuff.html 8/30/86 Santa Monica Civic Center backstage pass: http://www.troccolitm.com/083086Pass.html Unpublished Al Seib photographs: http://www.troccolitm.com/AlSeib.html Axl N Elvis Pin: http://www.troccolitm.com/AxlElvisPin.html Sold at early shows, including Roxy 1/18/86. Early GNR Badge/Pin: http://www.troccolitm.com/1stBadge.html 7/20/17 Apollo memorabilia: http://www.troccolitm.com/Apollo.html Sold at early shows, including Roxy 1/18/86. Early GNR Sticker: http://www.troccolitm.com/BumpStick.html Kerrang Playing Cards Set: http://www.troccolitm.com/CardsKerrang.html Duff OG Pick: http://www.troccolitm.com/DuffOGPick.html Early GNR Crew Pass: http://www.troccolitm.com/EarlyCrewPass.html Japan Lies Promo Postcard: http://www.troccolitm.com/JapLiesPostc.html Light-up Rose sold at 2/14/17 show: http://www.troccolitm.com/RoseAust.html This is awesome. As you can see from the printing proof sheets two other locations were planned also. I wonder why they were cancelled. 91 Theater Tour tickets and proof sheet: http://www.troccolitm.com/Tickets91TheaterTour.html Timothy White GNR Photograph: http://www.troccolitm.com/TimothyWhite.html TSI Holland can: http://www.troccolitm.com/TSICanHoll.html Another early fan club package: http://www.troccolitm.com/FnClb.html Sao Paulo 2017 memorabilia: http://www.troccolitm.com/SaoPaulo17.html Mark Weiss GNR Photographs: http://www.troccolitm.com/Weiss.html 2016 Steven Adler GNR drumsticks: http://www.troccolitm.com/AdlerGNRStick.html GNR/Soundgarden Tour Duffel bag: http://www.troccolitm.com/Duffel92.html 2017 MSG VIP memorabilia: http://www.troccolitm.com/VIPMSG.html 2016 Vegas VIP commemorative GNR poker chip: http://www.troccolitm.com/VIPVegas.html Yep, this is the giant banner that hung behind them at countless shows and that can be seen in the Paradise City and SCOM videos. Holy shit!!! One day I will try to get a picture but I need a large enough place to lay it out and some way to take a pic from above. Classic Logo Banner: http://www.troccolitm.com/HugeBanner.html NITL Tour Baggage: http://www.troccolitm.com/NITLBaggage.html 2011 Winter Tour Rider: http://www.troccolitm.com/GNRider.html Blu Ray music promo compilation with WTTJ: http://www.troccolitm.com/BluWTTJ.html Live Era Album Flat: http://www.troccolitm.com/LiveEraFlat.html Mega rare Lies Album Flat: http://www.troccolitm.com/LiesFlat.html Different Nightrain Album Flat: http://www.troccolitm.com/NightFlatAlt.html Paradise City Album Flat: http://www.troccolitm.com/ParaFlat.html Different Paradise City Album Flat: http://www.troccolitm.com/ParaFlatAlt.html Signatures of the entire band prior to LLAS. 8/28/86 Stone BAM Ad signed: http://www.troccolitm.com/082886Ad.html Fucking perfect Axl Rose Shure Microphone Ad Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostAxlMic.html May-July 2006 Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/Itin0512073106.html Australia/New Zealand 1993 Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/93AustNZItin.html Hong Kong/Japan/Europe August 2002 Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/WorldItin02.html October-December 2006 Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/102106122406Itin.html October-December 2006 Alternate Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/102106122406ItinMojo.html Australia/New Zealand 1988 Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/AustNZ88Itin.html October-December 2011 Tour Itinerary: http://www.troccolitm.com/102511121111Itin.html 2/1/86 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/020186Flyer.html 2/1/86 Flyer Alternate: http://www.troccolitm.com/020186FlyerAlt.html 3/28/86 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/032886Flyer.html 3/28/86 Flyer Alternate: http://www.troccolitm.com/032886FlyerAlt.html 4/5/86 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/040586Flyer.html 8/15/86 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/081586Flyer.html 8/23/86 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/082386Flyer.html 9/20/85 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/092085Flyer.html 12/20/85 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/122085Flyer.html 7/4/85 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/Flyer7485.html 7/11/86 Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/Flyer71186.html Colored in a bit, but still very rare to come across. 6/28/85 Stardust Ballroom Flyer: http://www.troccolitm.com/Flyer62885.html I have a lot of the recent lithos, I only posted links of my favorite ones here. 1/22/17 Kobe Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithKobe.JPG 1/28/17 Tokyo Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoTok.JPG 1/29/17 Tokyo Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithTok.JPG 1/18/86 Roxy Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/Poster011886.html 5/20/92 Prague Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/052092Post.html 9/2/87 Warfield Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/090287Post.html 9/2/87 Original Poster before venue change: http://www.troccolitm.com/Post9287Cult.html 11/20/87 The Omni Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/112087Post.html 10/22/17 Boston Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoBost.JPG 11/7/17 Milwaukee Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoMilw.JPG 8/21/17 Ottawa Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoOtt.JPG 8/24/17 Winnipeg Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoWinn.JPG 10/8/17 Philadelphia Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoPhil.JPG December 1988 Japan Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/Post88Jap.html 1993 Mexico Poster Signed: http://www.troccolitm.com/Post93Mex.html 5/24/91 and 5/25/91 Alpine Valley Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/Post0591.html 2/7/17 Brisbane Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostBris.JPG 2/7/17 Brisbane Litho Alternate: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostBrisAlt.JPG Cool Chinese Democracy Promo Poster: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostChiDem.JPG 7/6/16 Cincinnati Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostCinc.JPG 4/23/16 Coachella Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostCoachAlt.JPG 7/19/16 Foxboro Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostFox.JPG 7/20/16 Foxboro Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostFoxAlt.JPG 6/20/17 Gdansk Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostGdansk.JPG 6/29/16 Kansas City Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostKC.JPG 12/13/91 MSG Poster Signed: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostMSG91.html 7/31/16 New Orleans Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostNew.JPG 7/23/16 East Rutherford Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostNY.JPG 2/21/17 Perth Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostPerth.JPG 8/22/16 San Diego Sara Ray Lithos: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostSD.JPG 8/9/16 San Francisco Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostSF.JPG 6/29/17 Stockholm Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostStock.JPG 7/17/17 Tel Aviv Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostTelAviv.JPG 9/1/17 Vancouver Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostVanc.JPG 7/10/17 Vienna Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/PostVienna.JPG 11/14/17 Tulsa Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithoTulsa.JPG 6/13/17 Munich Litho: http://www.troccolitm.com/LithMun.html I won’t bother posting shirts of the same lithos I posted, but of course those are some of my favorites too. 6/24/17 Werchter Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtWerch.html UK Chinese Democracy Promo Sweatsuit: http://www.troccolitm.com/SweatPro.html NITL White Shorts: http://www.troccolitm.com/NITLShortsWh.html NITL black shorts: http://www.troccolitm.com/17Shorts.html Un-fucking-believably rare. I almost shit myself when I came across this on eBay. Only the 2nd one I have ever seen. 12/29/01 and 12/31/01 Las Vegas Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtNYEVeg.html GNR/Stones 1989 Springford Tag Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtStonesSpring.html GNR/Stones 1989 Brockum tag shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtGNRStones.html TSI Hat: http://www.troccolitm.com/TSIHat.html TSI belt with cloth bag/pouch: http://www.troccolitm.com/TSIBelt.html Get In The Ring Tour Leather Jacket: http://www.troccolitm.com/CrewJacket.html 1988 Australia Rugby Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/CrewRugby.html I can't even believe I had the opportunity to purchase this. Just uber cool and rare as fuck! Early Crew Vest designed by Slash: http://www.troccolitm.com/DenimVestCrew.html August 2002 Japan tour shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/02JapShirt.html August 2002 Japan Tour Shirt misprint: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt02Jap.html 2012 Europe Embrace The Hate Crew Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt12Crew.html 2013 Australia Tour Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt13Aust.html Hard to find anything from the Cult/GNR Canada leg. 8/19/87 Cult/GNR Sweatshirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt87Cult.html 1993 Australia/NZ Promoter LS Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt93AustNZ.html 1993 Australia/NZ Promoter Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt93AustNZAlt.html WTTJ Springford tag shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtWTTJ.html WTTJ early Brockum tag shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtAppDiffer.html 5/30/17 Bilbao shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtBilb.html 2016 Los Angeles shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtDodge.html Crazy rare 5/14/93 Drunk Fux shirt signed by Slash: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtDrunk.html Crazy rare Drunk Fux shirt Brockum tag: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtDrunkAlt.html Sold at early GNR shows. Early GNR shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtEarly.html Sold at early GNR shows. Another early GNR shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtEarlyAlt.html 7/1/17 Hameenlinna shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtHammenAlt.html 6/22/17 Hannover Shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtHann.html Lies uncensored Springford tag shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtLies.html 6/16/17 London shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtLondonAlt.html Skull and flag LS shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtLSBrock.html Don’t Cry artwork LS hooded shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtLSHood.html 6/4/17 Madrid shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtMadr.html 2013 Middle East shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtMidEastAlt.html 2013 Middle East shirt alternate: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtMidEast.html Very few made, a joking play on the whole no Slash shirts allowed controversy. No Axl crew shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtNoAxCrew.html 7/7/17 Paris shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtParis.html 7/4/17 Prague shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtPragAlt.html What a perfect shirt considering everything GNR goes through. 1991 GNR RIR shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtRIR.html 2014 South America Axl/Duff shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtSAmer.html 8/12/16 Seattle shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtSea.html 5/27/17 Slane shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtSlane.html GNR/Stones 1989 different Springford tag shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtStonesAlt.html 2/10/17 and 2/11/17 Sydney shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtSydDiff.html 6/30/93 white security backstage Versace LS shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtVers.html 6/27/92 green crew Versace LS shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtVersAlt.html 6/29/93 pink security no backstage Versace LS shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtVersDiff.html Alternate offensive warning shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtWarn.html Not sure if 1992 or 1993. Tokyo Dome hat: http://www.troccolitm.com/Hat92Jap.html Leather jacket: http://www.troccolitm.com/JacketGNR.html 12/18/12 Tokyo shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt12Jap.html Incredibly rare 1988 New Zealand tour shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt88NZ.html 1992 South America tour shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/Shirt92SA.html AFD uncensored skull shirt Springford tag: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtSkullSyr.html AFD censored skull shirt Springford tag: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtSkullNoSyr.html Simmer Down Leibeis crew shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtCrewAlter.html Does anyone know what FYCN stands for on this shirt? FYCN crew shrt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtCrewDiffer.html Hard to even describe the rarity here. GAK band shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtGak.html Welcome to the Jingle shirts: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtXmas.html Axl Converse Shoe shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtShoe.html 90’s GNR staff tank top: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtStaff.html 1/5/88 shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/010588Shirt.html Lip Service WAR? Jacket: http://www.troccolitm.com/JacketWar.html So supposedly these were never sold due to the band/mgmt/merch company finding out that it's illegal in Mexico for things to be sold with the Mexico federal logo on them or somethiing like that. NITL Mexico City flag shirt: http://www.troccolitm.com/ShirtMex.html As always there are lots more new items I have acquired (especially lithos and clothing) but this post is already too long as it is! Just take a look through my site. Anything in green is either new or new pics/updated information has been added. Enjoy!
  44. 9 points
  45. 9 points
    Forget the shirts, lets just wear buckets.
  46. 9 points
    Steven is actually easy to read which is why he would be the last one to know things. Steven is passive agressive. He has given interviews where he talked badly about someone then tells you how much he loves that person. Like where he mentioned Axl being upset he showed up for a show he wasn't scheduled for. Many call Axl a perfectionist but understand changing a perfectionists setlist at your whim isn't a good idea because everything is counted for and planned to make it perfect in their eyes. I remember a story about Steven saying he once began playing a different song once from what everyone else was and how Axl got upset. This was back before the split. Steven felt Axl should have fell in line with the song but Axl didn't. Seeing as how Axl likely strategically places most of the songs to accomodate his vocals during a long show that wouldn't work.I believe steven said he missed a cue or something. Steven once gave interviews about how Slash and Duff didn't like him. At the time the reunion was rumored and Steven admitted hes a blabber mouth so therefore he'd be the last to know. But to accomodate for why he wasn't in the know he made it like a poor Steven pity party. My guess Steven made another mistake. Izzy and Steven likely agreed to hold their ground with the partnership in negotiations and something happened. That's why suddenly all Steven's interviews now are about him and Izzy where they weren't before. I'm also gonna guess that when Steven hurt his back there was more going on there and something happened that made them bump him down to a special guest status. Steven claims he was orginally to do the Appetite songs and Frank others. Izzy likely got upset because 2 people pushing a negotiation was better than one. Don't get me wrong I love Steven and all he has contributed to GnR but I've known many of his type. He puts on just enough charm to make you think he's innocent but can backstab in a heartbeat. I mean look at his mothers book. She blatantly blames GnR for her sons drug abuse and Steven knowing the band members are unsure of him runs out supporting it. I think her overall concept was great from what I've heard for people that are dealing with addicts but her story delved beyond and she basically called Axl a junkie. Yet if memory serves me Steven himself said he wasn't and said Axl would sit at his bedside when he was hospitalized for an overdose. I'm not saying he shouldn't support his mother telling of her experience with Steven but that Title and her using GnR in the way she did was wrong. And finally as I've called it before Steven was recently saying how the whole GnR thing tested his sobriety. Perhaps it's as simple as knowing the temptaions of the road and what stuggles he would face was a factor. I mean to me he's almost passively aggressively saying he struggled with sobriety because of not playing with them. Steven needs to learn to not blame others. His struggles are his own just as theirs are. Much to contemplate about what upset Izzy but this post is already too long and Im tired Edited to add I know many wish to jump on the whole blame Axl bandwagon but I think personally it wasn't entirely up to him. Afterall, Slash and Duff have every right to not wish to share the loot equally and veto it. Money is a business and GnR makes money therefore it's a business as well. We also must take into account that we don't know if Izzy had a fair offer or not. Equal loot was never going to be an option for a man who sold his right to that. Sad as it may be. I think many put blame on the 3 when Izzy should also be realistic about equal loot. I say equal because that is the word he used. Steven needs to start taking blame for some of his own actions. Either way the tidbits we are learning are painting a different light somewhat and explain Steven's arse kissing of Izzy lately.
  47. 9 points
    Ok so here’s the timestamps for the podcast: 1:29:00 - Funny story about Izzy calling Niven about Iron Maiden’s stage 1:39:00 - Story of Izzy quitting GNR 1:41:00 - How Izzy is doing and if Alan is still in contact (Confirms Izzy is still with and happy with his french model girlfriend) 1:42:00 - If he thinks Izzy is still up to joining GNR on tour or making music with GNR (Talks about the Nashville soundcheck) 1:44:00 - Confirms it was Meegan that brought Slash and Axl back together. Also says “girls” does he mean Erin??? 1:48:00 - Talks about what Team Brazil has done for Axl 1:51:00 - Talks about any unreleased material 1:54:00 - Talking about Slash having a meltdown after turning 49 All the rest was nothing new or unrelated to GNR.
  48. 9 points
    Axl remembered his Twitter password again.
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    The most interesting piece of info from this interview is that the vocals that we hear on the album except for one song were all recorded in 1999.