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  1. His outfit!
  2. I love that Izzy seems to be a big quirky weirdo. That might be the thing that draws me to him the most. He is who he is. He strikes me as a guy who is into exploring other cultures and God knows, New Orleans is fascinating in that way (and yes, Voodoo is a part of that culture). If any of you ever visit there is a Voodoo museum that is very interesting and informative - they give tours and offer, uh, "spiritual services." A lot of what that entails has been wildly misconstrued into a "black magic" kind of thing. Obviously, we don't know what Niven and Izzy were doing, but they probably weren't shoving pins into a Voodoo doll dressed up in a bandana and tighty whities. Probably. I mean, anything's possible. New Orleans is great. It's almost more like a Carribean city than a US city, and Izzy actually moved to the Carribean for a while, didn't he? Niven managed the Ju Ju Hounds, right? Izzy has probably been asked a million times why he walked out of GNR, has anyone ever asked him why he walked out of the Ju Ju Hounds like he did?
  3. This thread goes a little bit further into Izzy's mindset as well: It's interesting that Beta told Marc that Izzy was upset with the drug stories in Slash's book. It would be impossible for any member of this band to write an autobiography that didn't talk about their substance abuse. It had such an impact on their experiences and the band's image. And I don't remember any drug stories in Slash's book being overly accusatory or anything. The sex with the same girl story was more embarrassing then any of the drug stories. Anyway, how stupid was Marc to bring up the fact that Desi and Pamela would be there on the same day as Izzy?! Jesus, man. It's the ultimate . You haul that out on someone you know to be skittish about the past?
  4. It's in Reckless Road in the Cast of Characters preamble. "Her relationship and affiliation with the band ended when they signed with Geffen Records; she was underage and they wanted to avoid potential legal liabilities." It's on page 6. Caveat with this book though- almost all of these people are unreliable narrators.
  5. The thing with Izzy being a drug dealer is that as a dealer he was in a business situation with very dangerous set of people. Imagine these people finding out that he was suddenly a multi-millionaire. I honestly think that going back to Indiana, or traveling around Europe wasn't just something Izzy wanted to do, it was the safest thing for him to do. Literal escape. This interview with Marc Cantor is interesting because the interviewer asks about Izzy quite a bit. In it, Marc says that in 2006, Izzy was aware that Desi was still fucked up on drugs. That's interesting because it implies that Desi may have been trying to get in touch with Izzy (how else would he know?) which is....uncomfortable to say the very least. Desi was his partner in crime, she knows where the bodies were buried. She was also underage while Izzy was with her. Kind of puts a different spin on why Izzy doesn't like publicity and shies away from the limelight. Maybe it's not just "flakiness" or "unreliability." He has a reason to be paranoid. Puts Izzy between a rock and a hard place in some ways... he can't defend himself against the hits on his rep without bringing up his past.
  6. It's not on iTunes in the U.S. either. It's JT Longoria's band, right? Is he on social media? @SerenityScorp ! Great! Is this from a recent session or an old session, I wonder?
  7. I think a small, dignified amount of hope might be in order.
  8. You don't have to apologize, I am enjoying an interesting discussion! I would love to read about all the established bands that Izzy was invited to join and turned down. I have never read that. And no I don't think that Izzy has ever been involved in any other music project to make money. He makes his money solely from GNR. That was my point. And again let me reiterate that I'm not suggesting that Izzy is especially money hungry (obviously the guy lives modestly in comparison to say, Axl). I'm just trying to contradict this idea that, "Izzy isn't in it for the money." Especially when Izzy himself has said that, you know, he'd be in it for the money. The 5 year gap between the divorce and his appearances was kind of what I was talking about. Several years of lawyers fees and alimony payments will deplete the old bank account, but this is coming from the daughter of a divorce lawyer, so I am a bit over sensitive to that topic. Divorce is expensive, even for people with little money. Some people stayed married because they can't afford to get divorced. And Izzy isn't Slash. Izzy has essentially been retired for 25 years- except for his royalty checks. A little bounce couldn't have hurt. Money is relative. Everyone has a line they like to float above. You can apologize to me for posting that, come on. I agree. 55 isn't that old, and Izzy'smusic is wonderful, but his money making years are behind him...unless he joins his old band or another band of equal caliber. Slash, Duff and Axl realized this about their solo outfits too, hence the reuinion. And all three of them have much higher profiles. Ten years ago, Izzy was shopping his stuff around- he talked about giving his tapes to John Kalodner who didn't hear any hits. Rock n' Roll barely sells now, and up and coming bands... it's a young man's game. And 55 isn't that young either. If that's true it would just be so adorably naive. Izzy has had 30+ years of history with these guys. They have always been a mess. He knows that better than anyone. That he would think that putting Slash and Axl ( and Adler! ADLER!) across the table from each other and saying, "okay what are your demands?" is just... I can't believe anyone in their right minds would have thought that would go well. Least of all, Izzy. I also find it hard to believe that Izzy, who still gets royalties from GNR INC, who talks to Axl and Slash and was in the studio with Duff several times in 2015- the last being in December of 2015 weeks before Coachella was announced, just didn't know about the reunion. Why get representation? Because it's the responsible thing to do if you want to be involved with something like this. Not even the money could bring him on board? According to his own words in his own tweet, money could have brought him on board. Well put. Yes, yes you are a nutswinger. And I love that about you. Couldn't Izzy himself have Tweeted "I wanted to do it a different way?" Or, "I would have been in it if it had been the classic 5?" He didn't. He brought up the money.
  9. I respect your opinion, of course, and we can agree to disagree. It honestly doesn't really matter, it just think it's weird that anyone would rather not see Izzy appear than appear and give up on his principles. Principles he never said he held in the first place. Or that someone just wouldn't go see a show in some kind of protest for Izzy. I view it as simply getting involved in the business decisions of a bunch of millionaires who could give a shit about us. It's interesting. One of the reasons people seem to feel so passionately about Izzy is that, since we know so little about him, we can fill in the blanks how we see fit. Everyone does it. Remember at the beginning of the avocado incident when people were literally saying, "this cannot be Izzy, Izzy is much cooler than this!" I'm sure he is cool- but he was also a man in his 50's trying to master social media for the first time. But people could not believe it. Legend before the man.
  10. I would disagree with that. I honestly think that for Izzy, GNR has primarily been about the money for a long time. Maybe since the beginning. He did an interview once where he said he would get high in the late 80's and go through paperwork and call the lawyers asking about the money and where it was going. For all their interviews, you never heard the other guys saying stuff like that. He told Marc Cantor that he wanted old footage to make simple videos because the videos Axl planned cost too much money. People say "but he quit at the height of GNR" but that isn't quite true. You made money off albums in those days and the UYI's were already done and ready to come out. His residuals were safe. The UYI tour was hemorrhaging money from extravagance and lawsuits and fines- they had to do the Skin and Bones tour just to break even. Izzy has said the final straw for him was Axl wanting to reduce his pay because he didn't move around enough. He said he only came back to do those shows in 1993 for a salary. Slash and Duff seemed unlikely to survive in those years and Axl was at risk of losing his damn mind. Izzy could see the writing on the wall with the band and got his lawyer to make a deal where he was paid a portion of GNR profits through 1997- probably knowing that the band was unlikely to last that long anyway. And he was right. Axl said he asked for and got a large amount of money to come back and do shows in 2006. I have no doubt that we saw him as much as we did in 2006 for one reason- Izzy did something a few years earlier that is often wildly expensive for a man. He got divorced. Then there was the Loot tweet in 2016. Having equal say in how things are done now doesn't mean going into the clubhouse with the other guys to make some decisions- it means hiring managers and lawyers to meet with everybody else's managers and lawyers so that they can hammer out a plan. That's the biggest sign for me that Izzy never had any intention of getting overly involved with this thing. He probably knew about it since at least 2014, and never made a move to hire managent to get involved in the proceedings. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be paid well for your work. Izzy's solo music is basically hobby music that he is kind enough to share with fans. He makes his money off GNR and always has. I understand where everyone is coming from, I love the guy too, but I would just hesitate to say that Izzy is too full of integrity to get involved with this and that all he wants is respect etc because then, when and if he does get on that stage with them, he looks like a putz. That leads to people saying things like, "I hope he doesn't do an appearance, that he holds true to himself." Which is just ridiculous. Then we are holding him to a standard he didn't create for himself. If he shows up we should say "Yay! I hope he was paid wild amounts of money for this! God knows, there's plenty to go around!" I feel terrible even writing this and that's dumb. Izzy doesn't make money from his solo music (or a very, very nominal amount). He doesn't write books or tour or do reality shows (thank god). He's not endorsing products. GNR is his livelihood. And that's okay. Doesn't make him any less cool.
  11. The @ArtTavana article said something about him surfing, I think. Impressive if true. I would imagine it would be awfully hard on a 55 year old body. The newspaper ad's adorable, I bet it's from his Momma.
  12. Alice! "Special Guest" Heh. Oh, Bon Jovi.
  13. I don't even know how to describe this adequately but it's like there are levels of buzz. A buzz from the top- media/MTV/radio created, a buzz from the middle which is where the internet lives, and a buzz from the bottom- local buzz, what your friends and neighbors or coworkers or school mates are talking about. Back then the top level was wildly different. MTV and radio stations still had massive amounts of power. Even if you thought MTV was lame you still watched it as a young person because there were very few outlets that catered to youth culture then. And MTV loved GNR. The videos (at least the first two) were huge. I remember the VJ's saying things like "We'll be playing November Rain at the top of the hour. Hold on- we'll be playing November Rain in ten minutes." The only other artists they did that with were Michael Jackson and Madonna. They were fixtures on MTV News because shit was always going down on that tour. CNN covered them in the aftermath of the riots. They just loomed very large in popular culture. They were played all the time on the radio and people actually listened to the radio. The band now has little to no impact on pop culture, so that's different. The middle level was virtually non-exsistant. There were internet groups in 1992 and 1993, and they were global, but exceedingly small (you can still find some posts on Google Groups from back then). There was no impact from this level of buzz. The bottom, local level was greatly affected by the top. Media was much more homogenized back then so people had a tendency to watch and listen to the same things. MTV played "Don't Cry" for the first time and the next day at school everyone was talking about it, whether they were fans or not. Just like you would watch Cheers on TV and the next day everyone would be talking about it because virtually everyone was watching the same damn show at the same damn time. The coverage of the riots and Axl's behavior also had a huge impact because I remember there were kids who didn't even like the band but were going just to see if Axl would lose his shit. If there was a riot, everyone wanted to be there for it because people are weird. Maybe I'm imagining this but it seems like there is so much more to do these days. Maybe it's because that's how musicians make money now, but it seems like there is some major event virtually every week and that didn't seem to be the case back then. I grew up in a good sized city, but back then it was a big deal when there was a big concert. Even the act of lining up for tickets was an event in and of itself- sitting on the sidewalk for hours, people bringing lawn chairs, you'd get to meet other fans, the local news would oftentimes make an appearance. The shows were announced on the radio and the local news and ticket prices were much, much more reasonable which made these things much more inclusive and more like community events. It seems like half my school went to this show and I bet a lot of us bought our own tickets with baby-sitting money or money made at a fast food joint or a store in the mall. The show was also advertised in the local music stores, where young people tended to congregate. The only real similarity I see with the NITL tour are the core line-up of Slash/Axl/Duff and attendance numbers. This tour has more in common with say, a current Rolling Stones tour. Everyone's a little bit older, a little bit more dignified and there is more money involved for both the band and the audience. It's just a great chance to enjoy some classic music from our youth. Now I feel a hundred years old.
  14. In terms of buzz, the two are wildly different. During the UYI tour the band was huge and also seemed like it might explode at any time. Axl in particular was viewed as a ticking time bomb. Riots and late starts and major news coverage- not just on music mags but on CNN, etc. The double billing with Metallica was massive. People were lining up at record stores at midnight to get their hands on the albums. Nobody was making videos like GNR- and MTV was still a thing people watched. Axl's social life was getting media coverage, Slash and Duff both seemed like they might expire at any moment. Izzy quit and was replaced. It seemed wild- you really weren't sure what you were going to witness. My parents wouldn't let me go because of the "buzz." So I snuck out for the first time- said I was spending the night at a friend's house. It was a sold out stadium. It lasted 7+ hours. GNR came on an hour and a half after Metallica tore shit up and the crowd was sweaty and drunk and wild by the time they hit the stage. The crowd numbers were pretty much what they are doing for the NITL tour but the atmosphere the crowd (and band) created was completely different. It seemed wild because it was wild. They were young and we were young and no matter what music they release or what lineup is standing on that stage it will never be recreated.
  15. Yep. Considering all the lineup changes in this band over the years, it's better to just have a general graphic logo. And they should have just come out at the beginning of the tour and announced the full lineup. They didn't have to do an interview, just a statement: this is the current lineup, here are our bios, we look forward to seeing you, etc. This band is so weird with stuff like that. Transparency would go a long way with a lot of their fans, and curb (not stop) some of the negative speculation.