Nevermind or Appetite

[Lose Your Illusions]

Although I agree with u on GNR killing off hair metal, I dont think Nevermind is overated. Thats just an opinion. You can never come up with a solid fact that it is or is not overated.

But back to the GNR killing off hair metal thing, the fact that when Nirvana and GNR were both at their peak at around the same time, they both coexisted. That really speaks to the fact that GNR killed heavy metal because they didnt die like most of the LA rock scene from grunge. And although Axl vs. Kurt, being both rivals or what not, that doesnt take away that fact.

[ronartest2004]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

[ITW 2012]

Sunny, NWA debuted at number 1 on the billboard charts with EFILZAGGIN. Gangster rap didn't get much airplay back then but everybody had those albums. I always thought of rap as the true alternative music.

Edited November 9, 2010 by ITW 2012

[Butters]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

I posted this in response to Nevermind being ranked in the top ten of most list and the reason is always " it killed hair metal " . Nevermind doesnt deserve to be in Zep 4 or Darkside territory, much less Appetie.

By the way there is no such thing as an un-biased opinion, so what is the point of your un-biased opinion?

[FuddMckagan]

Hair Metal was going to die anyway, but I would say AFD simply because it was first.

[ITW 2012]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

I posted this in response to Nevermind being ranked in the top ten of most list and the reason is always " it killed hair metal " . Nevermind doesnt deserve to be in Zep 4 or Darkside territory, much less Appetie.

By the way there is no such thing as an un-biased opinion, so what is the point of your un-biased opinion?

Cobain and Nirvana got a major boost in reputation after his suicide. Pearl Jam would be the band that everybody talks about if Eddie Vedder had shot himself in the head back in 94 instead of Cobain. Jeremy would then be seen as the big grunge anthem and people would talk about how ahead of his time Eddie was with the lyrics about a school shooting. It's all media spin. In actual life Axl was far bigger during the AFD era than either Cobain or Vedder were at their respective peaks. At the end of the day I like the music all 3 of them made.

Edited November 9, 2010 by ITW 2012

[ronartest2004]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

I posted this in response to Nevermind being ranked in the top ten of most list and the reason is always " it killed hair metal " . Nevermind doesnt deserve to be in Zep 4 or Darkside territory, much less Appetie.

By the way there is no such thing as an un-biased opinion, so what is the point of your un-biased opinion?

Well it seems like you already had your mind made up before you posted this thread.

[SunnyDRE]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

I posted this in response to Nevermind being ranked in the top ten of most list and the reason is always " it killed hair metal " . Nevermind doesnt deserve to be in Zep 4 or Darkside territory, much less Appetie.

By the way there is no such thing as an un-biased opinion, so what is the point of your un-biased opinion?

Cobain and Nirvana got a major boost in reputation after his suicide. Pearl Jam would be the band that everybody talks about if Eddie Vedder had shot himself in the head back in 94 instead of Cobain. Jeremy would then be seen as the big grunge anthem and people would talk about how ahead of his time Eddie was with the lyrics about a school shooting. It's all media spin. In actual life Axl was far bigger during the AFD era than either Cobain or Vedder were at their respective peaks. At the end of the day I like the music all 3 of them made.

That's just not true Randy.

When Nirvana was being playing on the radio back then, it was different.

Typical radio playlist: Chris Isaak, John Secada, Micheal Jackson, Mr. Big, Hammer, Vanilla Ice, **Nirvana**

Nirvana really did stand out.....

PJ kept grunge around, but Nirvana opened the door.

[Shadow_guns]

I liked nevermind and it seemed like Axl was a fan too. Thats good enough for me. Different times call for different styles of rock. There both classics.

[ITW 2012]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

I posted this in response to Nevermind being ranked in the top ten of most list and the reason is always " it killed hair metal " . Nevermind doesnt deserve to be in Zep 4 or Darkside territory, much less Appetie.

By the way there is no such thing as an un-biased opinion, so what is the point of your un-biased opinion?

Cobain and Nirvana got a major boost in reputation after his suicide. Pearl Jam would be the band that everybody talks about if Eddie Vedder had shot himself in the head back in 94 instead of Cobain. Jeremy would then be seen as the big grunge anthem and people would talk about how ahead of his time Eddie was with the lyrics about a school shooting. It's all media spin. In actual life Axl was far bigger during the AFD era than either Cobain or Vedder were at their respective peaks. At the end of the day I like the music all 3 of them made.

That's just not true Randy.

When Nirvana was being playing on the radio back then, it was different.

Typical radio playlist: Chris Isaak, John Secada, Micheal Jackson, Mr. Big, Hammer, Vanilla Ice, **Nirvana**

Nirvana really did stand out.....

PJ kept grunge around, but Nirvana opened the door.

Nirvana just happened to have their album out first. It's not like Pearl Jam and The Red Hot Chili Peppers wouldn't have become popular if Nirvana didn't exist. Ten actually sold more copies than Nevermind, too. Nirvana was just one of many cool bands. No different than Cream coming out before Hendrix, in my mind.

Edited November 9, 2010 by ITW 2012

[Sir Lancelot]

I still dont understand why people post threads like this. If you want an "honest" opinion you should go to a neutral music board, you dont come here to get un-biased opinions on guns n roses.

I posted this in response to Nevermind being ranked in the top ten of most list and the reason is always " it killed hair metal " . Nevermind doesnt deserve to be in Zep 4 or Darkside territory, much less Appetie.

By the way there is no such thing as an un-biased opinion, so what is the point of your un-biased opinion?

Cobain and Nirvana got a major boost in reputation after his suicide. Pearl Jam would be the band that everybody talks about if Eddie Vedder had shot himself in the head back in 94 instead of Cobain. Jeremy would then be seen as the big grunge anthem and people would talk about how ahead of his time Eddie was with the lyrics about a school shooting. It's all media spin. In actual life Axl was far bigger during the AFD era than either Cobain or Vedder were at their respective peaks. At the end of the day I like the music all 3 of them made.

I agree with thy words. All befit the titles of great band.

That's just not true Randy.

When Nirvana was being playing on the radio back then, it was different.

Typical radio playlist: Chris Isaak, John Secada, Micheal Jackson, Mr. Big, Hammer, Vanilla Ice, **Nirvana**

Nirvana really did stand out.....

PJ kept grunge around, but Nirvana opened the door.

Nirvana just happened to have their album out first. It's not like Pearl Jam and The Red Hot Chili Peppers wouldn't have become popular if Nirvana didn't exist. Ten actually sold more copies than Nevermind, too. Nirvana was just one of many cool bands. No different than Cream coming out before Hendrix, in my mind.

I agree

Edited November 9, 2010 by Sir Lancelot

[zeppelinrocksnexttognr]

I always thought everyone agreed that hair metal killed off hair metal... to many poison types if you ask me. I know some people would throw warrant in there, but their Dog Eat Dog album wasn't hair metal and it sold modertly well even in '95 for still being considered "hair metal"... But if i had to chose, AFD helped start the decline with the heavier edge, but Nevermind closed the door at the end.

[SunnyDRE]

I always thought everyone agreed that hair metal killed off hair metal... to many poison types if you ask me. I know some people would throw warrant in there, but their Dog Eat Dog album wasn't hair metal and it sold modertly well even in '95 for still being considered "hair metal"... But if i had to chose, AFD helped start the decline with the heavier edge, but Nevermind closed the door at the end.

It really didn't. The only difference between gnr and every other hair metal band?

Gnr cursed.

that was a big deal back then.

[zeppelinrocksnexttognr]

I always thought everyone agreed that hair metal killed off hair metal... to many poison types if you ask me. I know some people would throw warrant in there, but their Dog Eat Dog album wasn't hair metal and it sold modertly well even in '95 for still being considered "hair metal"... But if i had to chose, AFD helped start the decline with the heavier edge, but Nevermind closed the door at the end.

It really didn't. The only difference between gnr and every other hair metal band?

Gnr cursed.

that was a big deal back then.

it was more then that. they didnt have poppy songs or bleeched hair standing 10 miles high. they had a darker tone to them, the closet hair bands ever got to that was the occansional power ballad. GnR were different in many was.

[fergus]

Kurt Like KD Axl like beans and hard liquor

[sascha]

The production and the first half of Nevermind is fucking awesome but the album as a whole is way overrated as is Appetite.

Nirvana’s best and most influental album was the unplugged show where you could hear the songs behind the noise and in making you "get" what the noise was all about in the first place, it did a lot more for the band and for music than Nevermind.

For Guns it was probably UYI as these albums got you to sit and invest ten minutes for just a rock song, providing a whole generation with a chance and reason to appreciate music beyond attitude and radio format, wich was something no hair metal or grunge band and no other popular band at the time or even after Guns ever achieved. Rolling Stone called that ego-tripping, for me it was Guns biggest achievement.

As for who or what killed hair metal I'd say it was neither Guns or Nirvana, it was David Hasselhoff and MC Hammer.

[batman007]

Appetite is watered-down hair metal. Nevermind is by far a greater album.

To u, but to me Nevermind is nothing compared to Appetite. Just look at the album sales on each album. Kurt sucks!

[eggers]

They are both great albums. Neither killed anything, in fact they both pulled a lot of bands into the spotlight.

[dalsh327]

There's no one band that should take credit for the beginning of grunge or the end of hair metal. I can think of any number of bands that had their hand in it. I just think at the end of the 80s you had a lot of people who were looking metal, but sounding like Journey and Chicago.

[Cpi]

Here's a great article about this:

1991: “What’s so civil about war anyway?"

And my opinion? I like them both, but I guess Nevermind is the better one.

[ITW 2012]

Comparing Appetite to The Joshua Tree would be more fun. Both came out in 87 and both sold way more copies than Nevermind. Both bands were also way bigger than Nirvana ever was. Bono is Axl's true rival although I guess they were sort of friends.

[Vincent Vega]

Kurt was John Kennedy, Axl is Richard Nixon.

[Vincent Vega]

''Unfortunately, Axl Rose embracing Nirvana seemed to confirm Kurt Cobain’s worst fears about signing with a major label. For Cobain, Axl Rose represented everything horrible about corporate rock. On a personal level, he found Rose to be a despicable human being, the epitome of racist, sexist, homophobic, proudly redneck and macho assholes that his music was intended to irritate and destroy.

That Rose was actually more complicated than that—he was just as much of a misfit as Cobain was growing up, and a fairly sensitive guy considering he once called his mother a “cunt” in the song “Bad Obsession”—was beside the issue. Rose signified old-guard, cock-rock superstardom, and Cobain was never more deliberate in his desire to dismantle that institution than in his outspoken criticism of Guns N’ Roses. Cobain’s aversion to turning into Axl Rose bordered on obsession; he claimed to the press that out of the $1 million he made when he was first flush with Nirvana’s success, a relatively modest $300,000 went toward a house, and only $80,000 was spent on other personal expenses. “That’s definitely not what Axl spends in a year,” Cobain said. (A seemingly contradictory story is found in Charles R. Cross’ Heavier Than Heaven: A Biography Of Kurt Cobain, where Cobain and Courtney Love spent two months in Fall 1992 at the fancy Four Seasons Olympic Hotel in Seattle, ringing up an extravagant $36,000 bill before being kicked out. The name they were staying under was Bill Bailey, also known as the original moniker of one Axl Rose.)''

Kurt was fucking creepily obsessed with Axl.

[ITW 2012]

''Unfortunately, Axl Rose embracing Nirvana seemed to confirm Kurt Cobain’s worst fears about signing with a major label. For Cobain, Axl Rose represented everything horrible about corporate rock. On a personal level, he found Rose to be a despicable human being, the epitome of racist, sexist, homophobic, proudly redneck and macho assholes that his music was intended to irritate and destroy.

That Rose was actually more complicated than that—he was just as much of a misfit as Cobain was growing up, and a fairly sensitive guy considering he once called his mother a “cunt” in the song “Bad Obsession”—was beside the issue. Rose signified old-guard, cock-rock superstardom, and Cobain was never more deliberate in his desire to dismantle that institution than in his outspoken criticism of Guns N’ Roses. Cobain’s aversion to turning into Axl Rose bordered on obsession; he claimed to the press that out of the $1 million he made when he was first flush with Nirvana’s success, a relatively modest $300,000 went toward a house, and only $80,000 was spent on other personal expenses. “That’s definitely not what Axl spends in a year,” Cobain said. (A seemingly contradictory story is found in Charles R. Cross’ Heavier Than Heaven: A Biography Of Kurt Cobain, where Cobain and Courtney Love spent two months in Fall 1992 at the fancy Four Seasons Olympic Hotel in Seattle, ringing up an extravagant $36,000 bill before being kicked out. The name they were staying under was Bill Bailey, also known as the original moniker of one Axl Rose.)''

Kurt was fucking creepily obsessed with Axl.

Kurt wanted to be big and decided he'd go after the great white shark, Axl Rose.

[Atlas Shrugged]

yeah kurt was infatuated with axl, he really was the epitome of try-hard, insecure, nerdy, over-compensatory(even a word) hipster faggot.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Atlas Shrugged