Towelie Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Do you think it's Axl's stop-start approach to recording new music that drives these musicians away? Or do these guys view being in the band as just another job? It's not like these guys have any emotional or sentimental attatchment to Guns (certainly not like the old band would).I sometimes wonder how Axl views the revolving-door policy of the last decade. It must be frustrating - there's a new member in the band with practically every tour these days. Perhaps this is why we've yet to hear anymore material from the CD-era... Maybe Axl doesn't know what to do or how to market material that was written and recorded by members who are no longer around?? Edited April 23, 2011 by Towelie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 They probably get fed up with the lack of any progression towards new material, which was the case when Robin first left as he "Couldn't stand working on songs called Instrumental 34 anymore". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrie Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Do you think it's Axl's stop-start approach to recording new music that drives these musicians away? Or do these guys view being in the band as just another job? It's not like these guys have any emotional or sentimental attatchment to Guns (certainly not like the old band would).I sometimes wonder how Axl views the revolving-door policy of the last decade. It must be frustrating - there's a new member in the band with practically every tour these days. Perhaps this is why we've yet to hear anymore material from the CD-era... Maybe Axl doesn't know what to do or how to market material that was written and recorded by members who are no longer around??You missed Chris Pittman. Brain had a child and is still associated with the band/was doing that remix stuff very recently. Josh was a long time ago and never played a single show with Guns, he was a studio guy.Finck left to do Nine Inch Nail's farewell tour/other reasons I don't know.Paul Huge was never really comfy playing with the band live from what I've read and Richard replaced him and has been there since 2002.Ever see Iron Maiden's membership change chart? Makes GN'R's look simple.In the end, I like the current lineup the most since the original, so I don't really care too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 People like to play shows. Even Tommy done solo shows in Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrandyk Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I think the answer is fairly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 I think the answer is fairly obvious.Because Axl Rose is an asshole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Looking back, they never have really been that consistant. Over the past decade, we've had just as much stability really as 88-93.And certainly improved on what happened before that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 GNR have been a revolving door since the very beginning. Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner, Ole Beich anyone?Kind of a silly thread.....Yes but the AFD/UYI lineup is the most "stable" one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Do you think it's Axl's stop-start approach to recording new music that drives these musicians away? Or do these guys view being in the band as just another job? It's not like these guys have any emotional or sentimental attatchment to Guns (certainly not like the old band would).I sometimes wonder how Axl views the revolving-door policy of the last decade. It must be frustrating - there's a new member in the band with practically every tour these days. Perhaps this is why we've yet to hear anymore material from the CD-era... Maybe Axl doesn't know what to do or how to market material that was written and recorded by members who are no longer around??You missed Chris Pittman. Brain had a child and is still associated with the band/was doing that remix stuff very recently. Josh was a long time ago and never played a single show with Guns, he was a studio guy.Finck left to do Nine Inch Nail's farewell tour/other reasons I don't know.Paul Huge was never really comfy playing with the band live from what I've read and Richard replaced him and has been there since 2002.Ever see Iron Maiden's membership change chart? Makes GN'R's look simple.In the end, I like the current lineup the most since the original, so I don't really care too much.Except most of Iron Maiden's lineup changes happened before they recorded their first album.Let's not compare apples and oranges here. Maiden has released how many more albums than GNR?GNR:AFDLiesUYI IUYI IICDIron Maiden:Iron MaidenKillersThe Number of the BeastPiece of MindPowerslaveSomewhere in TimeSeventh Son of a Seventh SonNo Prayer For The DyingFear of the DarkX-FactorVirtual XIBrave New WorldDance of DeathA Matter of Life and DeathThe Final FrontierNot to mention the countless live DVDs and live CDs that Maiden has put out, along with monumental world tours. Yeah, they've had a few lineup changes (mainly singers), but they've also had a much larger amount of material. Oh, and they're still on tour. And Lies barely counts as an album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encore Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 personal problems/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbinson Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Axl Rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Folks get restless, and sitting on your ass for years at a time does not appeal to most musicians. Hell, even when there's work, it's playing someone else's stuff and never enough of your own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Do you think it's Axl's stop-start approach to recording new music that drives these musicians away? Or do these guys view being in the band as just another job? It's not like these guys have any emotional or sentimental attatchment to Guns (certainly not like the old band would).I sometimes wonder how Axl views the revolving-door policy of the last decade. It must be frustrating - there's a new member in the band with practically every tour these days. Perhaps this is why we've yet to hear anymore material from the CD-era... Maybe Axl doesn't know what to do or how to market material that was written and recorded by members who are no longer around??You missed Chris Pittman. Brain had a child and is still associated with the band/was doing that remix stuff very recently. Josh was a long time ago and never played a single show with Guns, he was a studio guy.Finck left to do Nine Inch Nail's farewell tour/other reasons I don't know.Paul Huge was never really comfy playing with the band live from what I've read and Richard replaced him and has been there since 2002.Ever see Iron Maiden's membership change chart? Makes GN'R's look simple.In the end, I like the current lineup the most since the original, so I don't really care too much.Josh is considered an official member of Devo. Who put out an interactive video - http://mashable.com/2011/04/19/devo-what-we-do/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJG Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Hahaha what a cupcake thread. The list doesn't really go on does it??? That's it!! You have mentioned everyone that left except Huge. And we all know he doesn't really count in such a debate. The lead guitar role is the only real unstable one in the history of post 1996 GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungleCat Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 ...and only one successful lineup.That's a matter of opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nambis Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 what do you expect from a band that's been around for 25 years? we're lucky to still have them - most bands don't last more than a handful of years, before they quit. the problem is that people change with time, and the people and things you're into at one point in life won't necessarily be the people and things you'll be into at another point.think of any band that's been around for 25 years, all of them have had lineup changes. I really don't see what the big deal is. the world changes, get used to it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 GNR have been a revolving door since the very beginning. Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner, Ole Beich anyone?Kind of a silly thread.....we all know who it took to make the great music that still gets air play on modern rock stations. i mean the guys you listed didn't even record anything, let alone click as a productive unit and start cranking out material. Unless you can tell me your favorite Ole Beich bass line, or which one of Tracii Guns important lead guitar contributions stands out to you the most... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabitha27 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Do you think it's Axl's stop-start approach to recording new music that drives these musicians away? Or do these guys view being in the band as just another job? It's not like these guys have any emotional or sentimental attatchment to Guns (certainly not like the old band would).I sometimes wonder how Axl views the revolving-door policy of the last decade. It must be frustrating - there's a new member in the band with practically every tour these days. Perhaps this is why we've yet to hear anymore material from the CD-era... Maybe Axl doesn't know what to do or how to market material that was written and recorded by members who are no longer around??Let's reevalute this.Since 2006, they have had all the same members in it as they do now except for DJ replaced Robin so I think they are pretty steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tange Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I'm not talking about the old band, we all heard those stories a hundred times... I'm talking about NuGuns. Other than Tommy and Dizzy, no-one from any incarnation of NuGuns has stood the distance. Buckethead left, Finck was fired/left, Brain left, Josh Freese came and went... the list goes on.Do you think it's Axl's stop-start approach to recording new music that drives these musicians away? Or do these guys view being in the band as just another job? It's not like these guys have any emotional or sentimental attatchment to Guns (certainly not like the old band would).I sometimes wonder how Axl views the revolving-door policy of the last decade. It must be frustrating - there's a new member in the band with practically every tour these days. Perhaps this is why we've yet to hear anymore material from the CD-era... Maybe Axl doesn't know what to do or how to market material that was written and recorded by members who are no longer around??Let's reevalute this.Since 2006, they have had all the same members in it as they do now except for DJ replaced Robin so I think they are pretty steady.Yeah. Still, since 2001:Robin -> DJBucket -> BumbleTobias -> FortusBrain -> FrankBut considering the ex-members backgrounds and track records, I think this was all to be expected.I think the current lineup is FINALLY a stable one, a lineup I could see being together for the next 10 years.the funny thing is Axl didn't fire any of these guys either. he may be hell to work with but he doesn't fire band members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest siliconmessiah Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) Q: Why can´t Guns maintain a steady line-up?A: I think a lot of the problems lie in Axl:s egoistic, divalatic and erratic ways of behaving and running things. Being in a band for almost 5-6 years and don´t release a single thing, like when Finck & Bucket & Brain were in, must be hard on a professional musician. I think that Axl was promising the band members that there would be releases, just as he engulfed fans in false promises about releases and video releases. But as the release for CD got pushed back, they grew tired on him and his promises and left.I see the same thing coming up ahead. Let´s say that we´ll eventually will have an album released in 5-10 years time (may also never happen), it all comes down to the patience of the hired guns and if they will be happy to keep touring AFD and CD, and how good Axl:s condition will be - after all he´s pushing 50. There is also a danger that the current lineup will vanish into the air, just like so many times before. Edited April 24, 2011 by siliconmessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Why can't Guns maintain a steady line-up? it don't take much working out.. William..So My GN'R is still up and running ? - what's the deal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 ...and only one successful lineup.That's a matter of opinion...It depends on the "level" of success really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Folks get restless, and sitting on your ass for years at a time does not appeal to most musicians. Hell, even when there's work, it's playing someone else's stuff and never enough of your own...True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 What's the point of writing and recording with a band who don't release music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeles_ Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) GNR have been a revolving door since the very beginning. Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner, Ole Beich anyone?Kind of a silly thread.....+ 1 truth is the truth ... hurts, dont you agree ?? Edited April 24, 2011 by Angeles_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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