Georgy Zhukov Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) Amazing band. Been around for about 25 years. Lot of hits, had a crazy rhythm guitarist who use to cut himself and drank vodka until it reaches his pours, disappeared without a trace, and wrote the most fucked up lyrics ever. What's not to love? Edited August 21, 2011 by BirdCatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) the first three records was a crazy ride. I saw them live in a club just befor Generation Terrorists came out. it was a pretty mental show with revamped versions of all the 12".what's not to like? they could be commies. Edited August 21, 2011 by wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 the first three records was a crazy ride. I saw them live in a club just befor Generation Terrorists came out. it was a pretty mental show with revamped versions of all the 12".what's not to like? they could be commies.The Holy Bible is by far their best record and one of the darkest and most underrated records of the 90's. Actually it probably got more appeal in the UK but not even close in the US. Their post Richey (from their fourth record and on) isn't as good but 2009's Journal for Plague Lovers was a nice return to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Love 'em. They're my uncle's favourite band and he's followed them for pretty much the entire time I can remember but he really dislikes all the Richey material, to the point where he didn't even buy Journal for Plague lovers, just skipped it and got Postcards. I guess different people listen to them for different things...Also, wasted they're socialists and pretty bluntly so, what's wrong with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I didn't know they existed. I thought you were talking about those crazy hobos shouting at everybody in the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 that was a ref to a Nicky Wire quote about people in the UK living in a liberal democracy where they didn't have to buy their records. I think it's from when Plague lovers cover was banned from Tescoes.they aren't actually socialists. Nicky is borderline conservative reads The Daily Telegraph. Richey was way over to left but in a sort of crazy bohemian way. I guess it was on The Holy Bible where their socialist origins coming from a defunct welsh mining village kind met with more disturbing realities.Love 'em. They're my uncle's favourite band and he's followed them for pretty much the entire time I can remember but he really dislikes all the Richey material, to the point where he didn't even buy Journal for Plague lovers, just skipped it and got Postcards. I guess different people listen to them for different things...Also, wasted they're socialists and pretty bluntly so, what's wrong with that?They were the first band to play Cuba tho. Nicky's letter to Castro must have been epic.I didn't know they existed. I thought you were talking about those crazy hobos shouting at everybody in the streets. That's how they got their name in a way. James was busking and a passerby shouted "there's that manic street preacher again" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Gold Against the Soul was their shot at America, they toured with Bon jovi and played Whisky a go go. I remember Motely crüe or other sunset strip bands going out to that show. but they came home moaning about the food and soullessness of amercan media. Headline in Melody maker was "manics bomb Disneyland" it was in fact before a US tour when Richey disappeared.Postcards is pretty decent record. Duff's on that record.the first three records was a crazy ride. I saw them live in a club just befor Generation Terrorists came out. it was a pretty mental show with revamped versions of all the 12".what's not to like? they could be commies.The Holy Bible is by far their best record and one of the darkest and most underrated records of the 90's. Actually it probably got more appeal in the UK but not even close in the US. Their post Richey (from their fourth record and on) isn't as good but 2009's Journal for Plague Lovers was a nice return to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I never got around to checking these guys out y'know, everyone said they were great and i know Design for Life by heart still from back when it came out and i ain't heard it for over a decade (thats how fuckin overplayed it was). Yeah, never listened to em. Oh yeah and "if you tolerate this, then your children will be next", that was one of their songs, weren't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Tolerate is from This Is My Truth which is the one after Everything Must Go. They were so big for This is my truth I couldn't understand how.just on the radio all the time but it seemed like their best stuff was in the past.after all the hyperbole at the start they are or turned into a pretty solid rock band."people who used hyperbole should be shot" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) I never got around to checking these guys out y'know, everyone said they were great and i know Design for Life by heart still from back when it came out and i ain't heard it for over a decade (thats how fuckin overplayed it was). Yeah, never listened to em. Oh yeah and "if you tolerate this, then your children will be next", that was one of their songs, weren't it?Yeah A Design For Life came out after Richey Edwards their main lyricists disappeared. Life was written by Nicky Wire, probably the most outspoken bass guitarists of all time.They left Cuba in a hurry from what I heard. They thought Castro was going to kill them. Nicky openly insulted the King when they were performing in Thailand. "God bless the King! May he reign in hell!" and he never left his hotel after that. There are tons of audioclips of his rants. He really loves to talk shit. Edited August 22, 2011 by BirdCatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Mr Carbohydrate is gobby but I've never been scared by them, they are sort of non threatening.Top two Wire quotes I hope Michael Stipe dies of AIDS.The only good thing NYC ever did was kill John Lennon.I've always thought The Everlasting was an underrated song.Plague Lovers was pretty good but as usual a bit depressing, Generation Terrorists still makes me smile. Slash N Burn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 didn't they call slowdive worse than hitler around generation terrorists as well? amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) They did a pretty good cover of Its so EasyI love Nicky's "They should build more bypasses over this fucking shithole!" Over the junkie filled Glastonbury festival.or "Billy Bragg is the biggest nosed TWAT in the world! I wouldn't want his dick pissing in my toilet for all the money in the world!"The Everlasting is an awesome song. Edited August 24, 2011 by BirdCatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I used to have all the Everything must go cd singles which had all the stealth sonic remixes but I lost them. but I think they were released on an album but sure. All of them are like James Bond soundtracks.I think the live cover of It's so Easy was on the You Love Us 12"?This is my Truth might be their best album. I like Know your Enemy for the variety it's a bit like their UYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) I used to have all the Everything must go cd singles which had all the stealth sonic remixes but I lost them. but I think they were released on an album but sure. All of them are like James Bond soundtracks.I think the live cover of It's so Easy was on the You Love Us 12"?This is my Truth might be their best album. I like Know your Enemy for the variety it's a bit like their UYI.KYE is very underrated IMO. Ocean Spray is one of my favorite songs by them. I don't know what the fuck they were on about for Lifeblood though. If it weren't for Richey's disappearance there wouldn't be an awesome album like This is My Truth, Tell Me Yours. If Richey remained in the band they would have broken up a long time ago because James and Sean wouldn't want to go on to make another Holy Bible album. Journal was a beautiful homage to Richey's last surviving lyrics, very depressing but great album. Postcards from a Young Man took a few listens but I love that fucking album. I have It's So Easy on Lipstick Traces which has like over 30 b-sides yet there's over 100 b-sides left aside. Time for them to release another b-side album. The best B-sides were from the Gold Against Soul singles.You know how hard it is to find a Manics fan in the US? The only other fan I know is my wife, the very person who got me into them. Edited August 24, 2011 by BirdCatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) The Manics loved housework. When they signed to Sony and did some tour of Japan the record company sent hookers and blow round to their hotel rooms which they turned down in disgust. True Donkeys, Wtote For Luck, Patrick Bateman.Rickeys idea for the next album was Pantera meets Screamadelica which I think might have been amazing. It did feel like The Holy Bible was a dead end of sorts. But I think maybe Everything must go may have been similar. Half Richey, half Nicky. I do wonder if Richey felt he was holding them back. Edited August 24, 2011 by wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Freedom of speech won't feed my Children is my fav of that. Lifeblood is The Holy Bible for 30 somethings. I think they became too in tune with contemporary British pop of the time like Coldplay or The Doves. It fit on the radio but Manics are way more rock than that for me. But Wire always wanted to do an album of elegiac pop. I actually got Postcards in the gold book format with bonus disc of demos. not really worth it and doesn't line up with the other CDs on the shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 I don't think Richey would have left if it would hurt the band. James and Nicky were starting to settle down by the time they got recording The Holy Bible. It was 50/50 up until that point but The Holy Bible was like 80/20 Richey. Nicky wrote two of the songs and came up with the song titles for the rest of them. Nicky just said words like "Yes" and "Faster" and Richey came up with some brilliant yet fucking crazy lyrics. Richey was never much of a musician, he only played simple chords on two tracks. He wrote his lyrics in Prose which were edited by James and Richey. James said they would have never saw Richey's idea of the next album materialize. Probably would have never been finished and split the band. Richey just left his lyrics behind, and left his hotel room one night.I dig James and Nicky's solo albums very much. James surprised me as a songwriter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 can anyone reccomend me an album? But like, something hard and horrible and raw, y'know, their most bollocks-having album if you like Or their craziest, which ever y'likes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Generation Terrorists. Start with that. It's a little dated but what a insane debut album. I think they recorded it as an attempt to sell 20 million copies than break up. Never happened so they ended up release 9 more albumsAnd there's The Holy Bible. Edited August 24, 2011 by BirdCatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 can anyone reccomend me an album? But like, something hard and horrible and raw, y'know, their most bollocks-having album if you like Or their craziest, which ever y'likes!Holy Bible but it takes a few listens. it's pretty difficult lyrically, Richeys self harm meet Auswitz. It's kind of comparable to In Utero. Generation Terrorists is more of a pop metal concept record. It sounds like Motely Crüe with the lyrics of Public Enemy. I'd check You Love Us and Motorcycle Emptiness. I would say it isn't really typical of them.Everything Must Go is their Oasis album like the singles were used on Match of the day for a year.there's a book called Everything by Simon Price I think which basically explains what the fuck is going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I like Wires album it's totally him.The funny thing is Yes and Faster make complete sense once you realize. Yes is sort of about the bands Hypocrasy, knowing hypocrisy. like they were very idealistic but in the end they became like any other band. Richey is sort of likening himself to the Thai hooker he got a hand job from on tour. He answered the same dumb questions from journalists like a whore. everythings for sale. in the end he just said yes to everything. it's so easy to cave in.Faster is just about how he's better than everyone else lol In terms of the band they were faster in that they covered the whole of rock history in 3 records. I think Richey saw his work as done, he was self aware enough to know what he had to do next. for promo on this single they dressed up in Apocalypse Now and Richey had the camera Dennis Hopper used in the movie. James wore a terrorist balaclava on Top of the Pops lolNicky wrote This is Yesterday.I don't think Richey would have left if it would hurt the band. James and Nicky were starting to settle down by the time they got recording The Holy Bible. It was 50/50 up until that point but The Holy Bible was like 80/20 Richey. Nicky wrote two of the songs and came up with the song titles for the rest of them. Nicky just said words like "Yes" and "Faster" and Richey came up with some brilliant yet fucking crazy lyrics. Richey was never much of a musician, he only played simple chords on two tracks. He wrote his lyrics in Prose which were edited by James and Richey. James said they would have never saw Richey's idea of the next album materialize. Probably would have never been finished and split the band. Richey just left his lyrics behind, and left his hotel room one night.I dig James and Nicky's solo albums very much. James surprised me as a songwriter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Actually the Greatest Hits isn't bad. If you like design for life and Tolerate. it just presents them as a good rock band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Forever Young (the greatest hits record) is a great place to start.Nicky also wrote most of Ifwhiteamericatouldlthetruthforonedayit'swholeworldwillfallapart. Most of that song is screaming Nicky. Edited August 25, 2011 by BirdCatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Forever Delayed? I don't really listen to them much at this point but if I go back the hits are fun. Do you know if there's a new album coming?You Love UsSleepflowerYesElvis ImpersonatorThe EverlastingFreedom of Speech Won't Feed My ChildrenThe Love of Richard NixonSend Away The TigersThis Joke Sport SeveredSomekind of NothingnessI picked one off each album for the playlist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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