Jump to content

Welcome to mygnrforum.com Guns N' Roses Forum
Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. This message will be removed once you have signed in.
Login to Account Create an Account
Photo

Major League Baseball Thread 2K14


  • Please log in to reply
4642 replies to this topic

#1
DirtyDeeds

DirtyDeeds

    Forum Chaplain

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,547 posts
  • 03-January 04

In some sense I already can't wait, but in another sense, I don't want next season to come because of the new structure starting up (then really taking shape in 2013).

So... I hear Philly is getting Papelbon. Another stronghold in their impenetrable pitching staff. The MIAMI Marlins are looking to sign some big names like Albert Pujols and Jose Reyes to go along with their new ballpark, new name, new image, etc. By the way, what do you think?

Miami-Marlins-Basebal_Mian-1024x820.jpg

I think it's hideous. I also think that by the 2013 or certainly by the 2014 season the Miami Marlins will go back to having pretty much the same pitiful attendance that the Florida Marlins had and this new stadium thing that the people of Miami were swindled into building at their cost will be exposed for the waste that it is. Team should have relocated. Miami is not a prime baseball location.

I also hear Pujols will not sign with Miami and St. Louis is looking to resign him. I hope they do.

And as if the 1994 strike, interleague, looking the other way with regards to steroid use, the All-Star game tie, revenue sharing as a "fix" (hahaha) to the rich-poor disparity, re-alignment to three divisions and wild card, and blurring of the two major leagues by removing the two league presidencies all wasn't enough, Bud Selig goes ahead and does maybe his worst thing yet now, switching the Houston Astros to the American League, which in effect makes interleague a year-long event, and he makes a second wild card team in each league, further bastardizing the regular season and lessening its importance. Game 162 of the 2011 season was amazing and one of the most exciting nights of baseball ever, and now that kind of excitement will be abolished, ironically in an attempt to force it to happen every year. These things are an abomination, and his kind of send-off last big acts as commissioner since he is supposed to retire after this year. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Bud.

I fear, though, that he and his successor will wind up getting rid of the two-league system altogether and making in effect one big league. And as part of that the NL teams would have to adopt the DH. :thumbsdown:

I honestly hate that man and what he has done to what I consider to be the greatest of sports.

Through him, the owners pretty much have a union, and the players have their union. Between those two always fighting and eventually getting their demands, the only ones left out are the millions of fans, the ones that really make it all possible. We've really been getting screwed over for years. I think there ought to be some sort of a fan board or something, a board of people representing fan interest, that is as powerful in negotiations as the owners and the player's association. Baseball has been too self-serving the last two decades.

We need Bob Costas as commissioner.


Edited by DirtyDeeds, 09 September 2013 - 01:15 PM.

earthrise.jpg


Attention World:

"Loose" means something is not tight, for example "My shoelace is loose."

"Lose" means to misplace or to not win. Examples include, "Keep your keys in your pocket so you don't lose them," and, "The Yankees are going to lose tonight and every day this week for sure because they suck."

Thank you.


#2
bt88

bt88

    DEMI-GOD

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,434 posts
  • 21-February 06
The Phillies can have Papelbon, they are way overpaying for him. Statistically most closers are interchangeable. You should never overpay for saves. The Rays got it done with friggin Kyle Farnsworth last year. As a Red Sox fan I say good riddance to his shaky saves and stupid dances.

Im not sure I agree with all your criticisms of bud. I love baseball but I dont like when these old purist sportswriters complain about changes. Why is interleague play bad? Why is moving the Astros to the AL bad? most importantly, I feel its better to have more wildcard teams. It instantly makes the season watchable longer for more fanbases, thus increases revenue. Bud has done a lot of things wrong but there is nothing wrong with keeping more people interested in the game. Last year, the Angels and Blue Jays fans would have had reasons to watch until the end. Whats wrong with that? The last night of last year was amazing, yes, but its only happened like that once. It was an anomaly.

the MLB needs to make some changes. The game is seen as the sport of old people. Im not a big ratings guy but the ratings are indeed dropping. Attendance has been an issue too. They need to hit the younger audience. The biggest issues now are late start times in the world series, world series games being later in the year which can run into poor weather and replay. The fact that we still rely on "the human element" is a joke. Have you seen tennis lately? They can tell when a ball is on the line, out, etc. within seconds. Ask Armando Gallaraga how he feels about the human element. People say it will slow down the game well guess what, baseball is kinda slow as it is. If you mentally commit to watching a baseball game, its gonna be like 4 hours replay or not.

and people talk about the divide of the rich and the poor and sure that is true, but look at the last world series winners: baseball actually has more parity than other sports. The world series winners have varied the last few years and they havent always been the big market teams.

and on a note about the off season, very intrigued to see if Yu Darvish comes over. After Dice K im weary of any foreign import, but damn these kids numbers are solid. Could be an x factor in any rotation. I also feel Pujols resigns, Fielder goes to the Rangers and CJ Wilson signs with the Yanks.

Edited by bt88, 18 November 2011 - 08:53 AM.


#3
LightningBolt

LightningBolt

    FRONTMAN

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,977 posts
  • 12-December 08
I also am not opposed to the MLB making changes. I think a lot of fans rely too much on the "tradition" of it. The whole human element thing gets to me almost every time I watch a game.

I'm a Phillies fan. I'm not too familiar with teams outside of the Phillies, but I hear Papelbon is pretty good. Madson was going to ask for around as much as Papelbon is going to get, so I'm not too opposed to it.

What I'm really concerned about is the offense. It's failed us for two straight years in the playoffs. Ryan Howard is going to miss some time this season due to his injury on that last play, I think (not that he's been too good lately). Jimmy Rollins is looking for a longer deal than the Phillies want to give. Ibanez sucks. I think we only had one guy with over a .300 batting average with Pence, and we didn't get him until halfway through the season. Honestly, the only guys on the offense I would be opposed to getting rid of are Hunter Pence and Shane Victorino. I heard they're trying to get Cuddyer from the Twins. Is he any good? I hear he's a great locker room guy, but I think we're at a point where we need guys that can still produce. Any other guys that you think they could make a move for?

#4
DirtyDeeds

DirtyDeeds

    Forum Chaplain

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,547 posts
  • 03-January 04
I fully admit to being a traditionalist. That's how baseball is best, in my opinion. I think there are two main problems here. One is this whole second wildcard thing. Teams used to compete to be the best in the league. Now with the playoffs expanding more and more, they're competing to be the mediocre-est. That doesn't add excitement to more teams. It takes away excitement from the best teams. They don't have to be #1 anymore. They can manage with being #3 just fine. That's like congratulating your kid who used to be an A-student for dropping down to a C average, but managing to get by still. And it leaves the playoffs more open to fairly random chance rather than a true battle of the titans. I mean, even the Orioles can occasionally kick the Yankees' asses. And I'm sorry to any Orioles fans here; they have a great legacy and were awesome during different parts of their history and they will be again some day. But that's just an example. Any team can beat any other team sometimes.

The other thing is the idea of viewing it as "The MLB," in the same sense as people say "The NBA" or "The NFL" or "The NHL." I could be off base with a couple of those because I don't follow those sports nearly like I follow baseball. It shouldn't be "The MLB." It should be "the major leagues" with lower-case letters. They started out, and should still be, two separate leagues, both of which compete at the highest level, but which are separate. The AL is a major league as is the NL. But they don't together form "The Major League." The two leagues are competitors of one another, not partners. Or at least they were, and they should be again. That's why World Series ratings are low. They treat the two leagues like they are one, and people have already seen this same stuff before during the regular season. There's nothing novel about the World Series anymore, or even the All-Star game really. Those should be the only meet-ups. Plus interleague tends to mess up the standings a bit because of the uneven geographical rivalries they force on teams, many of which never even existed in the first place.

Once you start a precedent, it is very hard to take it back, and I don't really expect any of those things to ever be taken back, but they are making it get really out of hand. They started a slippery slope a while back and now we're sledding down that slope full speed. At the bottom we will crash.

Also, the Astros do not belong in the AL, period. They have a 51-year history in the NL. Bud Selig's precious Brewers should go back to the AL, where they belong and where they have at least some history. They shouldn't have odd-numbers of teams in each league in the first place because of the interleague implications, but if they must, then send out Arizona or Colorado to the AL, since those two have a shorter overall history. This all should have been thought out better during expansion. I have nothing against expansion, by the way. Some say it makes the league weaker, but I think it does not, at least not over an extended period of time. Looking back to the 40s and earlier, there were 4 major leagues: the National, American, Negro National, and Negro American. All were weaker for not integrating. Now we're integrated and we get the best of both those races, plus all the other races of the world, especially Latin American and Japanese. The horizons have broadened and so has the pool of talent, and when you couple that with occasional expansion, I think it equals a pretty much constant average talent in the major leagues.

Edited by DirtyDeeds, 18 November 2011 - 05:06 PM.

earthrise.jpg


Attention World:

"Loose" means something is not tight, for example "My shoelace is loose."

"Lose" means to misplace or to not win. Examples include, "Keep your keys in your pocket so you don't lose them," and, "The Yankees are going to lose tonight and every day this week for sure because they suck."

Thank you.


#5
Jumpin' Jack Flash

Jumpin' Jack Flash

    FRONTMAN

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,744 posts
  • 25-April 09

What I'm really concerned about is the offense. It's failed us for two straight years in the playoffs.

This right the fuck here. If the Phillies want to make it all the way, they're going to need more than a brilliant pitching rotation. Their offence is lacklustre and it cannot be ignored any longer.
Posted Image

#6
DirtyDeeds

DirtyDeeds

    Forum Chaplain

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,547 posts
  • 03-January 04
It's amazing to me that the Phillies have done so well the last few years. It's amazing their pitching has been so good and their offense so bad, given their tiny ballpark. Really speaks to just how good the pitching is and just how bad the offense is.

earthrise.jpg


Attention World:

"Loose" means something is not tight, for example "My shoelace is loose."

"Lose" means to misplace or to not win. Examples include, "Keep your keys in your pocket so you don't lose them," and, "The Yankees are going to lose tonight and every day this week for sure because they suck."

Thank you.


#7
bt88

bt88

    DEMI-GOD

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,434 posts
  • 21-February 06
In regards to the playoff thing, how much hockey do you watch? 16 teams get in and in my opinion its the best playoff tournament in sports. It's never not exciting.

#8
eschman

eschman

    FRONTMAN

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,187 posts
  • 11-December 02
Cubs win.
Livin at the limit, ain't so hot

#9
Groghan

Groghan

    FRONTMAN

  • Supporters
  • 10,838 posts
  • 15-July 03
I hate the idea of expanding playoffs, in any sport. Watering down a playoff .....I don't get why that would make it better.

Brewers should go to AL, not the Astros.

There should be less interleague play, not more. It has lost its appeal. I say 6 games a year.3 home and 3 away. And its ok to have regional rivalries. I want to see ny play ny. Or the Dodgers play the angels. Six games a year, that's it.

How about a single elimination tournament at the end of the season for all the teams who don't make the playoffs? Do that instead of expanding the real playoffs. Like an NIT. One loss and you are out,final AL team plays the final NL team. All those games would sell out, and would give every team a little shot at glory to take into the off season.

Oh, and what I dislike about the game today? All the specialists. Goose Gossage used to get you a THREE inning save. Three innings. Now a manager might use five or six pitchers to get through five innings. A pitcher will come in and face one batter and then come out.
And starting pitchers wanted to pitch complete games. Now? It is rare.

And how in the world does mlb not fix the "quality start" requirements when it is such an easy fix???? Now it is 6 innings and 3 runs or less. Wtf? Since when is a 4.50 era quality? And only going six innings. Silly.
Just add an inning. A quality start, in todays game.....7 innings and 3 runs or less. That's an era of like 3.85. A decent pitcher should be able to give you 7 innings and 3 runs.

Edited by Groghan, 19 November 2011 - 01:52 AM.


#10
batman007

batman007

    FRONTMAN

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,895 posts
  • 23-July 06

Cubs win.

I second that!

#11
axlslash

axlslash

    FRONTMAN

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,538 posts
  • 23-February 03
I hate making interleague a year-long event. I can't stand American League rules. The DH is outright dumb. I don't care if you only play once every 5th day, if you're a major league player, you have to play all around, not just pick and choose what you're good at. If a pitcher can only throw but not hit well enough to justify his pitching, he shouldn't be in baseball. Period. The game the American League plays is a fun approximation, but if it ain't the same 9 guys hitting as playing the field, it ain't baseball.

The realignment isn't my favorite, but I don't mind it. I'm far more concerned for hockey's impending realignment, in which our equivalent of Cubs-Cardinals or Yanks-Sox is getting split up. Moving Detroit out of the Hawks' conference will be devastating to that rivalry, and I'll be sad to see it go. Could give a shit about the 'Stros moving.

As for expanded playoffs, I like that baseball's only last a month. Hockey is always exciting, but a playoff tourney that takes 2 months always feels kinda drawn out to me...
Posted Image

#12
RJ88

RJ88

    OH MY GOD

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,949 posts
  • 30-December 03

In regards to the playoff thing, how much hockey do you watch? 16 teams get in and in my opinion its the best playoff tournament in sports. It's never not exciting.


completely different sport
I just gotta make sure the girls stay off the pole and the boys stay off the pipe and I'll get a raise!

#13
bt88

bt88

    DEMI-GOD

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,434 posts
  • 21-February 06


In regards to the playoff thing, how much hockey do you watch? 16 teams get in and in my opinion its the best playoff tournament in sports. It's never not exciting.


completely different sport


Well its just a counter to the argument that letting more teams in somehow waters down the competition. The Cardinals got in on the last day of the season and won the world series, so adding another team gives that team a puncher's chance an thus keeps a fanbase more interested. Same in hockey. When Nashville and Columbus got in for the first time, their arenas were electric. If sports is for the fans, then letting more fanbases care for longer periods of time it cant be a bad thing

#14
axlslash

axlslash

    FRONTMAN

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,538 posts
  • 23-February 03


I hate making interleague a year-long event. I can't stand American League rules. The DH is outright dumb. I don't care if you only play once every 5th day, if you're a major league player, you have to play all around, not just pick and choose what you're good at. If a pitcher can only throw but not hit well enough to justify his pitching, he shouldn't be in baseball. Period. The game the American League plays is a fun approximation, but if it ain't the same 9 guys hitting as playing the field, it ain't baseball.

The realignment isn't my favorite, but I don't mind it. I'm far more concerned for hockey's impending realignment, in which our equivalent of Cubs-Cardinals or Yanks-Sox is getting split up. Moving Detroit out of the Hawks' conference will be devastating to that rivalry, and I'll be sad to see it go. Could give a shit about the 'Stros moving.

As for expanded playoffs, I like that baseball's only last a month. Hockey is always exciting, but a playoff tourney that takes 2 months always feels kinda drawn out to me...


Pitchers have historically been terrible hitters...good hitting pitchers are rare so if you got rid of all the pitchers who cannot hit you would be left with a league of decent hitting shitty pitchers..............I can see the argument that it takes away from some of the strategy, double switches etc...but baseball is a slow moving sport and adding more offense adds some excitement to the AL games so I have no issue with the DH rule............ Every other sport has situation specialists so why not baseball......

Pinch runners
Pitch hitters
Closers
Lefty specialists
Righty specialists

Why add a DH to that list? You're right, pitchers are always below-avg hitters. But the ones who make it hit well enough to keep them on as pitchers. They play the field, they should count as one of the 9 players. Adding 1/9 more individual hitters doesn't add offense, it adds money as an aging slugger can move to the American League and continue putting asses in seats even past their years of playing in the field. Fuck nostalgia, I want baseball.
Posted Image

#15
Groghan

Groghan

    FRONTMAN

  • Supporters
  • 10,838 posts
  • 15-July 03



In regards to the playoff thing, how much hockey do you watch? 16 teams get in and in my opinion its the best playoff tournament in sports. It's never not exciting.


completely different sport


Well its just a counter to the argument that letting more teams in somehow waters down the competition. The Cardinals got in on the last day of the season and won the world series, so adding another team gives that team a puncher's chance an thus keeps a fanbase more interested. Same in hockey. When Nashville and Columbus got in for the first time, their arenas were electric. If sports is for the fans, then letting more fanbases care for longer periods of time it cant be a bad thing

It is completely watering down the playoffs.
Don't confuse your issue or preference. Wanting to let more teams in, for various reasons, is one thing. But it is without a doubt watering the playoffs down and devaluing the regular season.

I prefer that the elite teams over 162 games make the playoffs. I want to watch the best of the best play. That's what championship tournaments should be about. Rewarding the best teams.
Mlb has the best playoff system as only the top teams make it.
Hockey and the nba......stupid. How in the world do u justify a playoff system where teams with losing records make the playoffs?????

I hate the pussyfication of sports. A team that goes 78-84 should not have the same chance in the playoffs as a team that goes 112-50.

Hell, why don't we just discount the regular season all together!!!! Let's not keep score at all. Everybody is a winner and gets an award. And let's let every team make the playoffs. Bleh.

A team's regular season should earn them the right to compete for a title. Mediocre teams shouldn't make it so we can have 75% of the teams involved in post season play.

Making the playoffs should mean something. Teams with losing records should never make a playoff. Ever.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users