Axl Rose not attending HOF

[SoulMonster]

I believe yes. But you're not even aware it's unconditional, you believe it's fair.

The last days I have characterized Axl as a guy who treats his fans badly, who is an asshole, who holds grudges, who is unpredictable, and lots more, how does that translate into being an "unconditional defender"?

Edited April 13, 2012 by SoulMonster

[Saphyra]

Apparently the other thread I was gonna post this in was deleted, but for other content in the OP. This actually bears looking at.

Axl Rose returns 126,000,000 Google search results. That is by googling ["Axl Rose" Axl], which would eliminate unrelated Rose results (its 154,000,000 if you don't do that).

Now, let's compare it a bit to some other rock notables:

David Lee Roth: 7,480,000 (who's pretending to the throne ? :xmasssanta: )

Gene Simmons: 12,100,000

Keith Richards: 13,000,000

Robert Plant: 19,000,000

Freddie Mercury: 21,100,000

Jim Morrison: 26,500,000

Elvis Presley: 27,900,000

Ozzy Osbourne: 37,200,000

Johnny Cash: 44,100,000

Alice Cooper: 44,500,000

Brian May: 49,200,000

John Lennon: 50,600,000

Jimi Hendrix: 53,600,000

Tommy Lee: 55,200,000

Bob Dylan: 63,500,000

Steven Tyler: 65,800,000

Marilyn Manson: 71,600,000

David Bowie: 71,800,000

Sebastian Bach: 81,300,000 (riding heavily on the coattails of the composer)

Elton John: 108,000,000

Paul McCartney: 114,000,000

Bob Marley: 121,000,000

Slash: 125,000,000 (Slash's results, however, will turn up many other uses of the word, such as the verb and the term for gay crossover porn fanfics)

And less deserving notables:

Snooki: 43,500,000

Nickelback: 57,300,000

Ke$ha: 66,600,000

Lana Del Rey: 72,900,000

Donald Trump: 75,300,000

Bon Jovi: 81,300,000 (drops to 3,730,000 if you include his first name)*

Madonna: 92,500,000

Bono: 105,000,000*

Osama Bin Laden: 123,000,000

The only ones I'm finding that beat him are current pop star names thrown around absolutely constantly like Britney Spears, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, and Lady Gaga. He is the king of rock n' roll, however.

*Apologies if you're actually a fan of Jovi or Bono, just couldn't resist the swipe at them B)

Right now: ~177.000.000 results.

[Apollo]

One thing that comes to mind is that Hitler also had people who defended, loved and supported him through every step of the way, even though he was an evil basterd.

Wow, a Hitler comparison. Just for fun, can you point to any one here who "defend, love and support Axl through every step of the way"?

Ali

For one. There are many others.

But the ones that rub people the wrong way are the posters who feel it is their job to bash, educate and dictate to others what they can and cannot post.

An example would be "I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band."

And the response would be "you e-expert with your sense of entitlement. How dare you dictate to Axl what he should do. Axl doesn't owe you anything. You must be a real piece of sh*t in real life." And then they would go off on how hateful people in the forum are, not realizing that their posts are 10 times more full of anger than the one they are responding to.

The ones who freak out about being called a Nutter, but then label everybody who they disagree with. Everybody who wanted to see Axl at HOF is labeled a reunionist.

The ones who complain about posters using insults....but do so by calling them a worthless c*nt.

It is a shame that people with different opinions can't debate and argue civilly on here. Every post turns into a personal insult barrage.

False. As I said previously, I think Axl should have not attended but accepted in absentia. I've never called anyone a worthless anything. However, you label those you disagree with., specifically as "nutters". So, with all due respect, you haven't taken your advice about debating and arguing civilly

Ali

Actually, I haven't called anyboyd a Nutter in about a month.

I actually made a topic about it, apologized for using it, and said how silly the constant name-calling was between people.

You are always very calm and respectful in your answers on here. But 99% of what you post is pro-Axl. Even you must admit this.

Soulmonster - seriously? You haven't noticed any of what I've said on the forum, especially in the last week?

I'm at work, so I'm not going to search through and pull up all the comments right now, but I will do that in the next couple of days.

And, you could actually just go back and read past pages in this topic. Take notice of the difference between those who are commenting on the actual topic (Axl and the HOF and his letter), compared to those who are attacking the poster who is posting his opinion. Don't think if you agree with them or not, just notice who is insulting whom (in terms of other posters).

I actually did this about a month ago when I was apologizing to people for calling them Nutters. One person accepted my apology and said we'd start "new"........but then added something like "but I've never insulted anybody." So I went back and looked up our old discussions/debates and of course there were several posts where the person insulted me and other people. But in their mind, because they thought I was wrong, them using insults weren't really "insults."

There is probably a term for it. If you think somebody is a scumbag, so you call them a scumbag, you walk away saying that you didn't insult them. Because they ARE a scumbag, so you weren't insulting them, you were saying the (your version) truth. And some people actually believe that. They can call somebody every name in the book, but in their minds, they don't feel like they are insulting. Very weird.

[Snowmass]

The more I read the less I understand you people. Most of you are behaving like a bunch of spoiled children whose parents refused to give them some candy.

And seriously, all this hate towards a person you don´t even know, a person who has done nothing to you, a person whose actions don´t affect your life is plain laughable. I understand that a lot of people can feel disappointed because Axl will not attend the induction or because the reunion with the old line up will not take place but seriously, all the insults, the hatred and the cruelty showed towards Axl by the fans has reached a point that cannnot even be labelled as ridiculous because that word is not enough to describe all this backlash.

Kind a like the way most on here hate the old band (namely Slash & Steven). The continuous ripping/making fun of Steven is sad. Time for Mr "Mentally unstable" (Axl) to take some major heat. Between botox and plastic surgery and donuts and the maid being his manager I'm suprised he can find his ass let alone worry about where Slash is!

[Flayer]

An example would be "I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band."

And the response would be "you e-expert with your sense of entitlement. How dare you dictate to Axl what he should do. Axl doesn't owe you anything. You must be a real piece of sh*t in real life." And then they would go off on how hateful people in the forum are, not realizing that their posts are 10 times more full of anger than the one they are responding to.

Could you use an example from real life instead?

Yeah why not? Something like this:

If Axl continues to hoard the rest of the Chinese Democracy era tracks, and doesn't put out a new album in 2012, I honestly don't know if I can continue to support this band, meaning continuing to defend them against naysayers. Without more new music, they're only reaffirming themselves as simply a nostalgia band, which is a damn shame when you consider all the other good music Axl hasn't released yet, and all the potential in the current lineup.

Is what typically gets slammed, not "I wish there was new music." Fucking everyone wants new music. No one disagrees with that. It's when the posts are loaded with a whining, demanding, entitled, know-it-all, condescending, or other negative attitude that they get jumped on.

[SoulMonster]

Soulmonster - seriously? You haven't noticed any of what I've said on the forum, especially in the last week?

No, I haven't, and I find it hilarious that that is your interpretation of what is going on here.

I'm at work, so I'm not going to search through and pull up all the comments right now, but I will do that in the next couple of days.

Looking forward to it. Don't forget it.

An example would be "I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band."

And the response would be "you e-expert with your sense of entitlement. How dare you dictate to Axl what he should do. Axl doesn't owe you anything. You must be a real piece of sh*t in real life." And then they would go off on how hateful people in the forum are, not realizing that their posts are 10 times more full of anger than the one they are responding to.

Could you use an example from real life instead?

Yeah why not? Something like this:

If Axl continues to hoard the rest of the Chinese Democracy era tracks, and doesn't put out a new album in 2012, I honestly don't know if I can continue to support this band, meaning continuing to defend them against naysayers. Without more new music, they're only reaffirming themselves as simply a nostalgia band, which is a damn shame when you consider all the other good music Axl hasn't released yet, and all the potential in the current lineup.

Is what typically gets slammed, not "I wish there was new music." Fucking everyone wants new music. No one disagrees with that. It's when the posts are loaded with a whining, demanding, entitled, know-it-all, condescending, or other negative attitude that they get jumped on.

Exactly. Thank you for being both intelligent and funny.

[DirtyDeeds]

As much as I sometimes find Groghans constant analysis of, "Funny how group A criticizes group B (you can insert anything here, Axl people vs. Slash people, democrats vs. republicans, cat people vs. dog people) when group A does such-and-such which is exactly what they are criticizing group B for but worse" annoying and at times wrong, he is certainly right on this issue. Out of the 100 pages of this thread, you could probably fill at least 15 of them with the posts he's talking about.

[SoulMonster]

As much as I sometimes find Groghans constant analysis of, "Funny how group A criticizes group B (you can insert anything here, Axl people vs. Slash people, democrats vs. republicans, cat people vs. dog people) when group A does such-and-such which is exactly what they are criticizing group B for but worse" annoying and at times wrong, he is certainly right on this issue. Out of the 100 pages of this thread, you could probably fill at least 15 of them with the posts he's talking about.

Then it should be really easy for you to help Groghan out who is busy at work, and link to one case where this exchange really has taken place:

An example would be "I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band."

And the response would be "you e-expert with your sense of entitlement. How dare you dictate to Axl what he should do. Axl doesn't owe you anything. You must be a real piece of sh*t in real life." And then they would go off on how hateful people in the forum are, not realizing that their posts are 10 times more full of anger than the one they are responding to.

[WhazUp]

As much as I sometimes find Groghans constant analysis of, "Funny how group A criticizes group B (you can insert anything here, Axl people vs. Slash people, democrats vs. republicans, cat people vs. dog people) when group A does such-and-such which is exactly what they are criticizing group B for but worse" annoying and at times wrong, he is certainly right on this issue. Out of the 100 pages of this thread, you could probably fill at least 15 of them with the posts he's talking about.

Yeah I noticed that too

[rabia]

Here's one among many voices on the internet:

Axl Rose Is Right

First off if you haven’t read his letter yet you need to. It can be viewed in it’s entirety here.

Axl Rose is known for his finicky, outlandish, and sometimes selfish behavior. He can be temperamental , snotty, and mean.

He is also extremely honest.

Axl does what he thinks is right, whether it is or not.

It’s very easy to pick on him because he isn’t conventional. That is what is happening now.

Why are they doing it? Because he is a bit of an enigma? Partially.

The main reason though is their own greed and selfishness though.

People think they are entitled to something with GnR. Like its existence needs some type of closure. It doesn’t. Too often the argument among the public is that Axl is the one holding things up.

That may or may not be true, but NONE of us knows the reason why.

Axl isn’t an idiot. He knows that a reunion gives them basically a means of just printing money. He still doesn’t do it.

It’s probably not because he doesn’t like money, but he has too much self respect. He is actually turning down a ton of cash to do what he believes is right. That is actually quite noble.

In regards to the hall he is also doing something noble. He is sticking with his bandmates. He is again turning down a major achievement to do what he thinks is right.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn’t owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another’s, or in this case several others’, expense.

That sums it up in a nutshell.

Axl is right, you are wrong. Get over it and let these guys live their lives.

http://thisisgettingold.net/2012/04/12/axl-rose-is-right/

[SoulMonster]

I can't wait for anyone to confirm Groghan's claim, so I will just test it myself:

I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band. I really mean it. It's not contrived from my part. And Axl is an asshole.

Now I'll wait for the ensuing shitstorm Groghan has predicted.

[Flayer]

I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band. I really mean it. It's not contrived from my part. And Axl is an asshole.

:fuckyou:

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Edited April 13, 2012 by Flayer

[SoulMonster]

Dammit. Groghan was right. And this means I am a.....nutter! Or is it a hater? I haven't paid attention to Groghan's terminology 101.

[rabia]

I can't wait for anyone to confirm Groghan's claim, so I will just test it myself:

I sure wish Axl would release a new album. That would really create positive buzz for the band. I really mean it. It's not contrived from my part. And Axl is an asshole.

Now I'll wait for the ensuing shitstorm Groghan has predicted.

We all know, its just a manufactured bogeyman that Groghan keeps parading. I have never seen a single post here that expresses hostility for the idea of another album.

[vaida]

Guns N' Roses omission from Rock Hall inductees list an 'oversight,' rep says

It turns out that not having a reunion concert is causing more drama for Guns N’ Roses and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame than if the old timers had actually gotten back together this weekend.

On Thursday, it even looked like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was having second thoughts about inducting any of the Gunners at their Saturday night ceremony in Cleveland.

A list of inductees and performers sent to journalists conspicuously left out Guns N’ Roses -- the year's biggest inducted band and the biggest story of the week following lead singer Axl Rose's Hall of Fame snub -- off of the list of inductees and performers.

We emailed the Hall of Fame, and they ensured us that it was simply an oversight.

But what an oversight.

A rep for former Guns N’ Roses lead guitarist Slash told us he would most definitely be attending this weekend’s ceremony.

Slash hangs out with Johnny Depp, Alice Cooper.

Steven Adler, the band’s original drummer, told FoxNews.com that he would also be attending, and that Rose's decision to blow off the long anticipated reunion with the original lineup was a huge insult to Guns N’ Roses fans.

“I think it’s disrespectful and we’ll leave it at that," he said. "I’m going to be there, Slash is going to be there, Duff is going to be there, because we appreciate our fans and the respect that we get all around the world. And it’s not just a letdown to us, it’s a letdown to the whole world, to all our fans. But that’s his choice."

The drama over the induction began this week when Rose, the iconic metal band’s lead singer, wrote a lengthy letter rejecting the Hall of Fame’s proffered induction and asking that they not induct him into their ranks in absentia.

Revolver Golden Gods metal awards highlights and pics.

In his rambling screed, which was addressed to the Hall of Fame, his fans and anyone else who cared, Rose declared that when he first heard news of the induction “I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. ” He then said that he began to believe that reuniting with the original members of Guns N Roses, Duff McKagan, Slash, Dizzy Reed and Steven Adler would bring about “somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.”

Rose and Slash haven't been onstage together since 1993. That's 20 years.

"He hates my guts," Slash told Rolling Stone in an interview. "It's over a lot of different stuff; I don't even know. There's just no communication between us."

Fans lashed out at Rose on the Guns N’ Roses official website, which is maintained by Rose, and posted Axl’s letter in full.

“Any of you who post that you support AXL are fools. you arent true fans of guns n roses or its music. you are sycophantic morons who support this jackass when he is pulling yet another bitch maneuver,” one commenter wrote.

Another chimed in: “I would have respected Axl more if he just didn't show up. That would have been typical Axl. Writing a long pompous letter is so not rock n' roll. Guns N' Roses now is not what it ever was after 93."

Reuniting the original members of the band for a long-anticipated concert was expected to be a big audience draw for the Hall of Fame ceremony which will be broadcast for the first time on HBO on May 5th and has never had much success drawing in a large audience.

“While the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies have created some of the most iconic musical jams ever, it has not been an overwhelming success in getting viewers, like MTV's Video Music Award Shows or this years Grammys,” explained media analyst Brad Adgate of Horizon Media. “Axl Rose not appearing will not help but I think the fact that ratings are generally low to begin with, it will be a minimal loss in ratings.”

But some music experts still believe anything could happen on Saturday.

“Axl Rose doesn’t do publicity stunts but Axl’s Rpose’s behavior is a publicity stunt on a regular basis. Who takes the stage at midnight and then plays for two and a half hours or three hours? Axl. He just functions on a different plane,” said Billboard correspondent Phil Gallo told Fox411. “We have a three week gap between the induction and the broadcast so if Axl does show up that will give them three weeks to promote that people see it on HBO.”

source

Edited April 13, 2012 by vaida

[Kill Devil Hill]

Slash hangs out with Johnny Depp, Alice Cooper.

Why was this sentence in the article?

[twenty-nine]

Apparently the other thread I was gonna post this in was deleted, but for other content in the OP. This actually bears looking at.

Axl Rose returns 126,000,000 Google search results. That is by googling ["Axl Rose" Axl], which would eliminate unrelated Rose results (its 154,000,000 if you don't do that).

Now, let's compare it a bit to some other rock notables:

David Lee Roth: 7,480,000 (who's pretending to the throne ? :xmasssanta: )

Gene Simmons: 12,100,000

Keith Richards: 13,000,000

Robert Plant: 19,000,000

Freddie Mercury: 21,100,000

Jim Morrison: 26,500,000

Elvis Presley: 27,900,000

Ozzy Osbourne: 37,200,000

Johnny Cash: 44,100,000

Alice Cooper: 44,500,000

Brian May: 49,200,000

John Lennon: 50,600,000

Jimi Hendrix: 53,600,000

Tommy Lee: 55,200,000

Bob Dylan: 63,500,000

Steven Tyler: 65,800,000

Marilyn Manson: 71,600,000

David Bowie: 71,800,000

Sebastian Bach: 81,300,000 (riding heavily on the coattails of the composer)

Elton John: 108,000,000

Paul McCartney: 114,000,000

Bob Marley: 121,000,000

Slash: 125,000,000 (Slash's results, however, will turn up many other uses of the word, such as the verb and the term for gay crossover porn fanfics)

And less deserving notables:

Snooki: 43,500,000

Nickelback: 57,300,000

Ke$ha: 66,600,000

Lana Del Rey: 72,900,000

Donald Trump: 75,300,000

Bon Jovi: 81,300,000 (drops to 3,730,000 if you include his first name)*

Madonna: 92,500,000

Bono: 105,000,000*

Osama Bin Laden: 123,000,000

The only ones I'm finding that beat him are current pop star names thrown around absolutely constantly like Britney Spears, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, and Lady Gaga. He is the king of rock n' roll, however.

*Apologies if you're actually a fan of Jovi or Bono, just couldn't resist the swipe at them B)

And he is going to make more hits. Another tour coming.

Well, I am glad that Axl has a lot of hits on Google. They are the only hits that he's had in 20 years.

LMFAO.....winner!

[Val22]

Axl said it all " It's time to move on". He has moved on by what he's said in his letter to both the HOF and to us fans.

I never really thought the original members of GNR would ever reunite again for a tour or whatever. The guys have all moved on and Axl has the GNR band he wants now and for the future.

I'm sure Axl has taken the time to gather his thoughts before he made his decision. We should respect his decision not to attend and not to be inducted with the other original members. Izzy won't be there, but I assume he'll still be inducted.

It saddens me a bit because Axl does deserve to be inducted along with the other members, but it's his decision not to want it.

In the end, it really doesn't change Axl's life or us fans, so we should just respect him and let it go.

We can still watch the show and support the other members, but I really hope that they don't perform without Axl, because that would be a slap in the face to us fans. Axl I don't think really gives a shit and hasn't for a long time.

It's true people break up and things change and you have to accept it. If you can't it's your problem, not Axl's or anyone else's.

GNR will live on through their amazing music. Those early years were a wild ride and I'm just glad that I was there from the beginning and got to be witness to it.

I hated when the Beatles broke up too back in the 70's, but each one went on to make amazing music and their Beatles songs will live on forever. We fans were hurt back then too, but like I said each Beatle went on to make more wonderful music.

Thank goodness that Axl has continued with his new GNR and the other members are still making music they love. We should be thankful that there was a GNR and hopefully will continue to be!

[Izzyslash]

I don't know how you do that? You try to prove a point by executing it? That wasn't so damn smooth was it?

Yeah, that made sense.

Can somebody please pull out their Moron to English translator so I can get in on the laughs that she is gibbering about?

Dumbest member since Volcano? Oh yes!

[Aint_It_A_Shame]

Axl can go fuck himself. Not for not showing up, not for not performing, but for declining to even be fucking inducted with the band that made him who he is. Go fuck yourself Axl Rose.

[Kill Devil Hill]

I can't wait until after the RNRHOF when these new cupcakes will stop posting.

[Cosmo]

I can't wait until after the RNRHOF when these new cupcakes will stop posting.

These are indeed dark times. I knew it'd be like this during this period.

[Kira]

I can't wait until after the RNRHOF when these new cupcakes will stop posting.

Besides the RRHOF, what else is there to talk about with Axl? Nothing's happening except the same set list and late start times.

[Cosmo]

I can't wait until after the RNRHOF when these new cupcakes will stop posting.

Besides the RRHOF, what else is there to talk about with Axl? Nothing's happening except the same set list and late start times.

More than what's been happening with Original GnR for the last 18 years and you guys can't fucking get it off your minds.

[Izzyslash]

I can't wait until after the RNRHOF when these new cupcakes will stop posting.

You're a new cupcake! Number of posts doesn't count! Oh.. you're fucked then? Sad for you!