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An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.

If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too.

Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

You answered your own questions. It became the most important thing ever because it posed the possibility of Axl and Slash sharing the stage together.

Ali

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.

If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too.

Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

If youre exgirlfriend made with you history! and there were a ceremony to recognize something you did 30 years ago that was out of this world, yes you would be an asshole like AXL if you dont go,even if you have a cousin exdrug adict that needs money and speak about you,you are rich,and he has fucked his life.

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Axl is the voldemort of rock n roll, I'm wondering since he asked his name to not be mentioned maybe he'll be called as "he who must not be named" at the HOF, if you said his name, he'll appear and kill you all with the help of his lawyers! :xmassrudolph: Great letter BTW! Whoever you are James, I like you! :thumbsup:

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day with her even though I don't want to be there and I disagree with a celebration of an old relationship with me? Fuck that too. Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they cant just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

The RnRHoF is only important because of the chance of them performing. But after Axl denied the induction, all of a sudden it's like he's shoving the nobel peace prize up Morgan Freeman's ass. The RnRHoF has always been a source of controversy. Axl is not the first one to point that up. Who the fuck needs a plaque in a museum in Cleveland to point out their past achievements? That means nothing.

What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too. Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.
If youre exgirlfriend made with you history! and there were a ceremony to recognize something you did 30 years ago that was out of this world, yes you would be an asshole like AXL if you dont go,even if you have a cousin exdrug adict that needs money and speak about you,you are rich,and he has fucked his life.

What? Dude... write so people can actually get what you're saying :rofl-lol:

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You just proved what I said. You're upset that you didn't get what you want. I understand and respect that. However, as I said:

"I just think "shitting on" is a little extreme for just not attending the HOF induction ceremony. I think people are just pissed that they didn't get what they want for the HOF induction ceremony, be that standing on stage together or playing together. I understand disappointment, but "shitting on" seems like the heated words born out of anger and a fresh wound or disappointment."

I think you're making a misinterpretation in saying he doesn't his fans to celebrate the past. You're allowed to. He just doesn't want to be a part of that, possibly due to strained relationships with Steven Adler and Slash and due to wanting to stand alongside his current band. That's all it is. You're upset, hurt, feel personally attacked/insulted and that's understandable. But, I think you're bending the truth a little because Axl isn't doing what you want him to do.

Ali

Fine, Axl is never wrong because he does what he does. He is who he is and the "fans" should just shut up. If that's truly his mentality he deserves none of the love and support he gets. If he can't give an inch by letting people focus on the band, music and the shared experiences rather than on him, well, that's sad. And how are we suppose to celebrate the past if he wants no part of it? So we're suppose to celebrate VR with Izzy on rhythm?

And point out where I bend the truth?

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.

If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too.

Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

If youre exgirlfriend made with you history! and there were a ceremony to recognize something you did 30 years ago that was out of this world, yes you would be an asshole like AXL if you dont go,even if you have a cousin exdrug adict that needs money and speak about you,you are rich,and he has fucked his life.

Sorry, but no. I'm not obligated to be polite to someone I despise, I wouldn't want to take any part of it as people just ignore what she did to me.

Happened to me already, there was a guy in College that was my best friend, but then freaked out and thought I had a crush in his ex-girlfriend. Even though I said I didn't, he started to stalk me and sending threats to kill me. Called the cops and sued him, but we made a deal in jury (because I was kinda forced by my lawyer) and everything was fine for a year, but suddenly he commited suicide (yes, he was that fucked up). We shared the same friends and they were all trying to make me going to his funeral because he was such a nice guy to everyone else. Of course I didn't and got a huge baclkash because I said he was an idiot sob to me while everyone pretended nothing was happening (and they knew, everyone knew about that). And I still wouldn't change what I did: nobody ever made me more angry and that's nothing I can just ignore. So no, I'm not the asshole just because I don't want to be a part of something extra ordinary that would drag me down.

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Why would you post this letter GunsGuy? I don't know this guy nor do I care about his opinion on why Axl is so intellectually superior due to his

rejection of the RRHOF. In fact it shows how hateful and spiteful Axl is. Perhaps you are trying to show a different view of how Axl's decision is

justified? Well it's not. He gave no justifiable reason not to attend other than the fact he wants nothing to do with the original members. I respect

Axl's right to decide on what he wants to attend or not to, but that doesn't make it a right one if the decision is based on hatefulness of former

members or because the RRHOF decided not to give in to whatever ridiculous demands Axl gave them in order for him to attend.

Edited by 31illusion

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day with her even though I don't want to be there and I disagree with a celebration of an old relationship with me? Fuck that too. Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they cant just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

The RnRHoF is only important because of the chance of them performing. But after Axl denied the induction, all of a sudden it's like he's shoving the nobel peace prize up Morgan Freeman's ass. The RnRHoF has always been a source of controversy. Axl is not the first one to point that up. Who the fuck needs a plaque in a museum in Cleveland to point out their past achievements? That means nothing.

That's the thing: people are all upset and crying over Axl's refusing the induction as the HOF would really represent the fans, but still they are all though enough to call Axl childish. :thumbsup:

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Why would you post this letter GunsGuy? I don't know this guy nor do I care about his opinion on why Axl is so intellectually superior due to his

rejection of the RRHOF. In fact it shows how hateful and spiteful Axl is. Perhaps you are trying to show a different view of how Axl's decision is

justified? Well it's not. He gave no justifiable reason not to attend other than the fact he wants nothing to do with the original members. I respect

Axl's right to decide on what he wants to attend or not to, but that doesn't make it a right one if the decision is based on hatefulness of former

members or because the RRHOF decided to to give in to whatever ridiculous demands Axl gave them in order for him to attend.

Why shouldn't he post it?

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You just proved what I said. You're upset that you didn't get what you want. I understand and respect that. However, as I said:

"I just think "shitting on" is a little extreme for just not attending the HOF induction ceremony. I think people are just pissed that they didn't get what they want for the HOF induction ceremony, be that standing on stage together or playing together. I understand disappointment, but "shitting on" seems like the heated words born out of anger and a fresh wound or disappointment."

I think you're making a misinterpretation in saying he doesn't his fans to celebrate the past. You're allowed to. He just doesn't want to be a part of that, possibly due to strained relationships with Steven Adler and Slash and due to wanting to stand alongside his current band. That's all it is. You're upset, hurt, feel personally attacked/insulted and that's understandable. But, I think you're bending the truth a little because Axl isn't doing what you want him to do.

Ali

Fine, Axl is never wrong because he does what he does. He is who he is and the "fans" should just shut up. If that's truly his mentality he deserves none of the love and support he gets. If he can't give an inch by letting people focus on the band, music and the shared experiences rather than on him, well, that's sad. And how are we suppose to celebrate the past if he wants no part of it? So we're suppose to celebrate VR with Izzy on rhythm?

And point out where I bend the truth?

You just did with the "Axl is never wrong comment". I never said that. All I said was the backlash, like yours, is due to not getting what you want.

Your statement that he doesn't want the fans to, or the fans aren't allowed to, celebrate the past is not true. You can celebrate the past by applauding for Duff at the induction ceremony like I will, and watching whatever musical tribute occurs. You can listen to the old records and sing along. You're allowed to voice your appreciation for the past. I don't see anything in his letter saying none of these things are "allowed".

Ali

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Is it true what the guy says? "Fans" put hate messages for Axl all over the internet? Really?!? My reaction, when I saw the post on Ashba's Google+ account, was more like "Finally ... (no, not the Rock has come back to Cleveland, cos he's not going there) ... Axl puts an end to the question whether he attends or not". And that's it. I only gave him credit for finally making up his mind and letting the public know. The whole Hall of Fame thing doesn't mean a thing anyway. At least not since they didn't want the current line-up at the ceremony. Lineups change. How many Chili Peppers guitarists are going to be inducted for example?!?

As a fan, I basically expected that Axl wouldn't show up after the other original member (Izzy, of course) already said he wouldn't be attending. Guns N' Roses is simply bigger than this self-proclaimed Hall of Fame. The whole thing is really no big deal. Anyone who started bitching and crying has probably been living in a sort or parallel universum for the past 25 years. Like at the VMAs, when he pointed out that the Vanguard award had "nothing to do with Michael Jackson". That was a typical sidenote from Axl. He just doesn't give much (if anything at all) about award shows and hall of fames. Why should he? Do these things make anyone's music better? Cos if that was true, then why is it that so many awards go to "artists" whose music completely sucks?!? And it still sucks after they've won their precious awards.

I'm basically happy that Axl put that Hall of What crap aside. I'd rather have him finish a new album with the rest of the band. Plus the video for Better should be out in two weeks or so. Now that's something worth focussing on!

Oh, and to all the haters: Don't let yourselves get hit by the door on the way out :lol:

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Sincerely,

James Montgomery

I see this guy has actually read Axl's open letter. :D

The only thing irritates me and it's that many people (who presumably understood what Axl wanted to say) started labelling him the last true rock star, etc., when he's just a human being albeit a truly awesome one.

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When did we start equating Rock N' Roll with shitting on fans.

Isn't this more a situation of fans shitting on themselves?

or acting like the circus is in town, just clown shoes in all lol,

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Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.

To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.

In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,

James Montgomery

Source: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682996/axl-rose-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fame-open-letter.jhtml

I really agree with this. weird seeing someone from MTV say this

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I thought this guy's letter was uber lame. And so was releasing that stupid new band photo. Release some new music or quit calling this GNR.

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The one who gave you everything,

The one who took the fall.

"Don't damn me

When I speak a piece of mind

'Cause silence isn't golden

When I'm holding it inside

'Cause I've been where I have been

And I've seen what I have seen

I put the pen to the paper

'Cause it's all a part of me

Be it a song or a casual conversation

To hold my tongue speaks of quiet reservations

Your words once heard

They can place you in a faction

My words may disturb

But at least there's a reaction......"

You guys are weird :rofl-lol:

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I thought this guy's letter was uber lame. And so was releasing that stupid new band photo. Release some new music or quit calling this GNR.

Oh we couldn't tell by the many threads you give in his "honor" lol?

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Some people must be stupid. Just because Axl is a whiny bitch still bitter over something happened many years ago, he can't even attend to the HoF? and THAT makes him a rockstar? some of you people need to know what a true rockstar is, and it is definitely not being a scared little man afraid and bitter for lifetime.

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I thought this guy's letter was uber lame. And so was releasing that stupid new band photo. Release some new music or quit calling this GNR.

Oh we couldn't tell by the many threads you give in his "honor" lol?

I'm a fan of the man's music. His antics are just an added bonus.

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But he hasn't moved on. To do that he'd have to change the name and stop playing old songs. He's 50 years old, how many does he have left in this business?!

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I have a t-shirt that reads "Fuck You You Fucking Fuck!" That's pretty much the way I feel about you Axl- You're a selfish, ungrateful, self-involved Douche Bag! I went to your last show in LA (thank god my friend bought my ticket) and although you finally said thank you to your fans- something you didn't do way back when we supported you on your first tour with "Guns N

> Roses," I don't think you will ever get that without us, you're not shit. We buy your tickets and other worthless crap. We make you relevant- certainly not your new music. I will not support your next album by purchasing it. I will not go to another kareoke show where I have to hear a shadow of your vocal ability and a bunch of guys using you to rocket themselves to fortune and fame by having to play someone else's music like little bitches. Standing in the crowd of cameraphone zombies, I just felt sad for your backup band. Slash made mistakes that he has clearly taken responsibility for. Time for you to do the same, butthole. The Hall of Fame is just the final straw in a long list of things that show how unappreciative you are to the people who made you who you are. This is ENTERTAINMENT and is supposed to be fun- you have taken that away for me- I will always respect your talent, but I hate you for sucking the last ounce of joy from what once was. Couldn't you have at least put your over inflated ego aside just once? I'm glad you rejected being inducted because you are truly not worthy to be in the pantheon of rock greats like Slash.

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> -Vinnymaxx

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