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An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere


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When did we start equating Rock N' Roll with shitting on fans.

Isn't this more a situation of fans shitting on themselves?

I just think "shitting on" is a little extreme for just not attending the HOF induction ceremony. I think people are just pissed that they didn't get what they want for the HOF induction ceremony, be that standing on stage together or playing together. I understand disappointment, but "shitting on" seems like the heated words born out of anger and a fresh wound or disappointment.

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Great post, I agree with it. Long live GNR! :thumbsup:



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When did we start equating Rock N' Roll with shitting on fans. It's one thing to be true to oneself, acting consistently, and being a through-and-through rock n' roller. It's another to never show an ounce of concern or consideration to the people who paid and supported for the artist to act that way. This isn't an issue of Axl owing us anything other than mutual respect. We get and accept the antics, but when it's a matter of showing the bare minimum of appreciation for his fan base, he won't lift a finger. If he wants to go tell the R&RHOF to go fuck themselves, that's fine. Sex Pistols beat him to it but fine. But at least let everyone else have their moment. I do not see how he reconciles his own observation that the induction is about the fans with the letter stating how objectionable it is for him to be treated in such a manner with respect to receiving an award that few get to receive.

Rock N' Roll is dangerous, uncontrollable, and unpredictable. It's part of the reason we all support and admire what GNR was and to some extent, what GNR and Axl is today. What Rock N' Roll isn't is being a dick at the constant expense of your fans. Axl's constant rejection of the semiotic relationship between artist, music and fans is his biggest flaw. He is part of the relationship, not its entirety. We appreciate his music, we acknowledge the antics, and we admire his theatrics. All we ask back is for a little respect. I was not one holding out for any meaningful gesture between Axl and his former members on Saturday. Hell, I put the odds at 10 to 1 that he was even going to show up. But I never for a second considered he'd withdraw his name and support of being inducted. As he mentioned earlier, this was about the fans to celebrate what we all love. He couldn't even give us that.

When we did start equating shitting on fans with not giving the fans what they want regardless of the person in question's feelings or preferences?

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When did we start equating Rock N' Roll with shitting on fans. It's one thing to be true to oneself, acting consistently, and being a through-and-through rock n' roller. It's another to never show an ounce of concern or consideration to the people who paid and supported for the artist to act that way. This isn't an issue of Axl owing us anything other than mutual respect. We get and accept the antics, but when it's a matter of showing the bare minimum of appreciation for his fan base, he won't lift a finger. If he wants to go tell the R&RHOF to go fuck themselves, that's fine. Sex Pistols beat him to it but fine. But at least let everyone else have their moment. I do not see how he reconciles his own observation that the induction is about the fans with the letter stating how objectionable it is for him to be treated in such a manner with respect to receiving an award that few get to receive.

Rock N' Roll is dangerous, uncontrollable, and unpredictable. It's part of the reason we all support and admire what GNR was and to some extent, what GNR and Axl is today. What Rock N' Roll isn't is being a dick at the constant expense of your fans. Axl's constant rejection of the semiotic relationship between artist, music and fans is his biggest flaw. He is part of the relationship, not its entirety. We appreciate his music, we acknowledge the antics, and we admire his theatrics. All we ask back is for a little respect. I was not one holding out for any meaningful gesture between Axl and his former members on Saturday. Hell, I put the odds at 10 to 1 that he was even going to show up. But I never for a second considered he'd withdraw his name and support of being inducted. As he mentioned earlier, this was about the fans to celebrate what we all love. He couldn't even give us that.

When we did start equating shitting on fans with not giving the fans what they want regardless of the person in question's feelings or preferences?

Ali


And there's the difference. All Axl had to do was nothing; he could have just sat at home and been his same old passive-aggressive self. All the fans of the band that's being inducted wanted to do was to celebrate that band. We didn't absolutely need Axl there (though that would have been nice). He didn't have to give us anything. This was not a night for Axl's feelings. What is he, a four year old? This was a night about the fans, something he has admitted several times in interviews. He could have just said he wasn't coming, but he had to pull the rug out from everyone else by revoking his own name from the process. How much harm is he being subjected to by having his name included. It's not like it was something he was fundamentally opposed to. It's just his feelings were hurt or he didn't get everything he wanted so not only did he fuck himself, he did the only thing he could do to fuck it up for the fans by requesting his name be removed. How sensitive is this guy that because he couldn't have it his way, nobody gets to enjoy the evening. Now, instead of talking about how great the band was in the AFD/UYI days, all people will be talking about is Axl's bullshit power play that takes the focus off of the band and the members who have the decency to show the fans a little appreciation. In my opinion, as a long time GNR fan who has been there for Axl through the thick and thin, this is way over the line.

As a GNR fan, we're not allowed to ask for certain songs in the set, we're not allowed to ask for new music, we're not allowed to ask what exactly happened when something goes wrong, we're not allowed to ask why certain members left; we're not allowed to ask why things take so long. There's not a lot we're allowed to do or ask without being labeled a whiner or hater. Those are Axl's antics and you either accept them or not. That's fine, most of us have, some haven't and have moved on. But now we're being told that he won't even let us celebrate the original/classic band or whatever label you want to call it with him in it because his feelings are hurt. Bullshit Axl. Man up, be there for your fans considering they have been there for you through a lot of abuse and neglect, and swallow what you see as an imperfect situation. But I suppose that's why Axl ultimately gave the middle finger to the fans in this situation; his insistence on perfection (ie. his way) supplants anything and everyone else. Perhaps this is why it took ten years to get one damn album. Perhaps this is why he chose to sit at home when Chinese Democracy came out because he didn't agree to 100% of the marketing that the label had picked out for him.

Understand that it has been a consistent theme with this guy: respect and appreciation for the fans is always at the mercy of his demand for complete control and pursuit of artistic perfection. I'm just one fan who no longer accepts this paradigm. If he doesn't want people to be fans for the very reason why he has fans, then why support a guy who's done figuratively nothing to merit new found support? If, according to Axl, we're not allowed to celebrate the past, and he's done dick all in the present and with no word of any music to be released in the future, why even bother with this guy. And that's what his letter and his intentions concerning the R&RHOF really said to me.

Cheers,

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Great post, I agree with it. Long live GNR! :thumbsup:



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It must be awesome living in denial.
"I don't think there is another band out right now that has the balls to do what we did last night. Axl insists on doing things his way and not playing by the fucking rules. You can love him or hate him for it, but the fact of the matter is.... he's the real fucking deal. skin, blood and soul. Deal with it or not, but it won't ever change. Long live rock n' roll." Richard Fortus

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Man up, be there for your fans considering they have been there for you through a lot of abuse and neglect, and swallow what you see as an imperfect situation.


THIS is what you use to measure being there for your fans???? Really????

If, according to Axl, we're not allowed to celebrate the past


What the hell are you talking about???



The Hall of Fame REALLY means that much????? It's some sort of watershed in Guns history???? Pfftt....
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Axl Rose is a fucking joke since 2011,his way singing a completly joke,i wasnt going to see GNR until he sings like he used to,but after reading AXL ROSE LETTER,its true, is an asshole,he knew all the things he said were going to happen,poor Adler is a joke,yes,but he was kicked of the biggest band in the last 30 years and its like winning the lottery and lose the ticket.I mean a rock star legend should know to handle.The rest is the same old shit.


AXL ROSE ....you are an asshole
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When did we start equating Rock N' Roll with shitting on fans. It's one thing to be true to oneself, acting consistently, and being a through-and-through rock n' roller. It's another to never show an ounce of concern or consideration to the people who paid and supported for the artist to act that way. This isn't an issue of Axl owing us anything other than mutual respect. We get and accept the antics, but when it's a matter of showing the bare minimum of appreciation for his fan base, he won't lift a finger. If he wants to go tell the R&RHOF to go fuck themselves, that's fine. Sex Pistols beat him to it but fine. But at least let everyone else have their moment. I do not see how he reconciles his own observation that the induction is about the fans with the letter stating how objectionable it is for him to be treated in such a manner with respect to receiving an award that few get to receive.

Rock N' Roll is dangerous, uncontrollable, and unpredictable. It's part of the reason we all support and admire what GNR was and to some extent, what GNR and Axl is today. What Rock N' Roll isn't is being a dick at the constant expense of your fans. Axl's constant rejection of the semiotic relationship between artist, music and fans is his biggest flaw. He is part of the relationship, not its entirety. We appreciate his music, we acknowledge the antics, and we admire his theatrics. All we ask back is for a little respect. I was not one holding out for any meaningful gesture between Axl and his former members on Saturday. Hell, I put the odds at 10 to 1 that he was even going to show up. But I never for a second considered he'd withdraw his name and support of being inducted. As he mentioned earlier, this was about the fans to celebrate what we all love. He couldn't even give us that.

When we did start equating shitting on fans with not giving the fans what they want regardless of the person in question's feelings or preferences?

Ali


And there's the difference. All Axl had to do was nothing; he could have just sat at home and been his same old passive-aggressive self. All the fans of the band that's being inducted wanted to do was to celebrate that band. We didn't absolutely need Axl there (though that would have been nice). He didn't have to give us anything. This was not a night for Axl's feelings. What is he, a four year old? This was a night about the fans, something he has admitted several times in interviews. He could have just said he wasn't coming, but he had to pull the rug out from everyone else by revoking his own name from the process. How much harm is he being subjected to by having his name included. It's not like it was something he was fundamentally opposed to. It's just his feelings were hurt or he didn't get everything he wanted so not only did he fuck himself, he did the only thing he could do to fuck it up for the fans by requesting his name be removed. How sensitive is this guy that because he couldn't have it his way, nobody gets to enjoy the evening. Now, instead of talking about how great the band was in the AFD/UYI days, all people will be talking about is Axl's bullshit power play that takes the focus off of the band and the members who have the decency to show the fans a little appreciation. In my opinion, as a long time GNR fan who has been there for Axl through the thick and thin, this is way over the line.

As a GNR fan, we're not allowed to ask for certain songs in the set, we're not allowed to ask for new music, we're not allowed to ask what exactly happened when something goes wrong, we're not allowed to ask why certain members left; we're not allowed to ask why things take so long. There's not a lot we're allowed to do or ask without being labeled a whiner or hater. Those are Axl's antics and you either accept them or not. That's fine, most of us have, some haven't and have moved on. But now we're being told that he won't even let us celebrate the original/classic band or whatever label you want to call it with him in it because his feelings are hurt. Bullshit Axl. Man up, be there for your fans considering they have been there for you through a lot of abuse and neglect, and swallow what you see as an imperfect situation. But I suppose that's why Axl ultimately gave the middle finger to the fans in this situation; his insistence on perfection (ie. his way) supplants anything and everyone else. Perhaps this is why it took ten years to get one damn album. Perhaps this is why he chose to sit at home when Chinese Democracy came out because he didn't agree to 100% of the marketing that the label had picked out for him.

Understand that it has been a consistent theme with this guy: respect and appreciation for the fans is always at the mercy of his demand for complete control and pursuit of artistic perfection. I'm just one fan who no longer accepts this paradigm. If he doesn't want people to be fans for the very reason why he has fans, then why support a guy who's done figuratively nothing to merit new found support? If, according to Axl, we're not allowed to celebrate the past, and he's done dick all in the present and with no word of any music to be released in the future, why even bother with this guy. And that's what his letter and his intentions concerning the R&RHOF really said to me.

Cheers,

Andrew

You just proved what I said. You're upset that you didn't get what you want. I understand and respect that. However, as I said:

"I just think "shitting on" is a little extreme for just not attending the HOF induction ceremony. I think people are just pissed that they didn't get what they want for the HOF induction ceremony, be that standing on stage together or playing together. I understand disappointment, but "shitting on" seems like the heated words born out of anger and a fresh wound or disappointment."

I think you're making a misinterpretation in saying he doesn't want his fans to celebrate the past. You're allowed to. He just doesn't want to be a part of that, possibly due to strained relationships with Steven Adler and Slash and due to wanting to stand alongside his current band. That's all it is. You're upset, hurt, feel personally attacked/insulted and that's understandable (although a little extreme in my opinion). But, I think you're bending the truth a little because Axl isn't doing what you want him to do.

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Edited by Ali, 12 April 2012 - 04:25 PM.


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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.

If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day with her even though I don't want to be there and I disagree with a celebration of an old relationship with me? Fuck that too.

Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they cant just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.

If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too.

Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

You answered your own questions. It became the most important thing ever because it posed the possibility of Axl and Slash sharing the stage together.

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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.

If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too.

Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.


If youre exgirlfriend made with you history! and there were a ceremony to recognize something you did 30 years ago that was out of this world, yes you would be an asshole like AXL if you dont go,even if you have a cousin exdrug adict that needs money and speak about you,you are rich,and he has fucked his life.
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Axl is the voldemort of rock n roll, I'm wondering since he asked his name to not be mentioned maybe he'll be called as "he who must not be named" at the HOF, if you said his name, he'll appear and kill you all with the help of his lawyers! :xmassrudolph: Great letter BTW! Whoever you are James, I like you! :thumbsup:
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What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day with her even though I don't want to be there and I disagree with a celebration of an old relationship with me? Fuck that too. Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they cant just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

The RnRHoF is only important because of the chance of them performing. But after Axl denied the induction, all of a sudden it's like he's shoving the nobel peace prize up Morgan Freeman's ass. The RnRHoF has always been a source of controversy. Axl is not the first one to point that up. Who the fuck needs a plaque in a museum in Cleveland to point out their past achievements? That means nothing.


What I don't understand is how HOF became the most important thing for fans ever. I mean, I do understand one thing: it was the opportunity to see Axl and Slash sharing a stage (which I really think its still nothing I care about), but the induction itself isn't that important.If it would ever happen, a reunion should not be forced down the throat. Saw lots of comments here about how "everyone was OK except Axl" - so you should just give up because the majority wants you to jump and be good? Its like my family loves my ex-girlfriend, so should I get back to her just because everyone is OK? Fuck that. Or maybe let someone represent me on the Valentine's Day even though I don't want to be there? Fuck that too. Can't believe how people are all claiming Axl is immature but they can just stand by Axl's own decision and entitlement.

If youre exgirlfriend made with you history! and there were a ceremony to recognize something you did 30 years ago that was out of this world, yes you would be an asshole like AXL if you dont go,even if you have a cousin exdrug adict that needs money and speak about you,you are rich,and he has fucked his life.


What? Dude... write so people can actually get what you're saying :rofl-lol:

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