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Obama speaks out in favour of gay marriage

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I'm in favor of gay marriage, mainly because I don't think there's much reason not to be, but this little "confession" just felt incredibly... contrived I guess? It's just that the guy's been in office for three and a half years now and he waits to drop this little thing on us now, like he's capitalizing on that Amendment One thing in North Carolina and the overwhelmingly negative response it's garnered. I'm happy he's said it and if something comes of it, that's great, but it just feels like politics as usual. I just wish it felt more genuine I guess.

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well you're not going to get genuine from him, so dont hold your breath waiting

and of course he is flipflopping on it.

truth be told that may not be the right side to flip.

he's making a calculated decision based on what I'm not exactly sure.

but rest assured its calculated, and nothing to do with his true feelings

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well you're not going to get genuine from him, so dont hold your breath waiting

and of course he is flipflopping on it.

truth be told that may not be the right side to flip.

he's making a calculated decision based on what I'm not exactly sure.

but rest assured its calculated, and nothing to do with his true feelings

I heard, from some very credible sources, that Obama drinks the blood of labrador puppies for every meal.

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Can't say I care why he said it. I'm glad we finally have a President with balls who is willing to take a stand, even if it's an unpopular statement for the closet homosexuals on the right. They weren't voting for him anyway.

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I'm not a huge fan of Obama mainly because he signed the NDAA, but I am pleased with his new opinion on same-sex marriage.

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Obama has to have these views to appease his base of far lefties because that is where the money comes from, even if it doesn't represent the views of most Democratic voters.

It is obvious that Americans don't want gay marriage. 30 states with a constiutional ammendment defining marriage as one man and one woman. The only five that allow it were not decided by voters directly and four of those were decided by courts--maybe give one. Even the most liberal states have defined marriage as one man and one woman when put direct to voters.

I don't know what Obama plans with this sudden coming out. I guess he wants to do everything he can to lose the election. Seems like every day he goes against what Americans for the most part want and voters are seeing what is going on now.

If election were today--Obama gets destroyed, not just beaten. And if it keeps going like it has been with every one of these issues (contraceptives, war on women, class warfare, race mongering by the left) it will be even worse. Every attempt to try to distract from the fact that the economy is terrible (and worse than the media tries to portray) has failed miserably and indeed has backfired on Democrats.

I see all Republicans voting for Romney and most independents. I don't think Obama is going to get party support at the ballots nearly as strong as what he got in 2008. I'm seeing 70% 30%, 65% 35% election this year. People are just sick of the excuses and the blaming of anyone and everyone and anything for broken promises. The change he promised is the exact opposite of what he is doing with all of his politics and mudslinging. Romney isn't even a strong canidate. Bush has been gone 3.5 years. Time to take some responsiblility. Obama's still campaigning like he is not the incumbant, like Romney is the incumbant (or still Bush) and all the problems that have gotten worse since 2008 he's just now stepping into like its someone else's mess. The logic of blame Bush doesn't fly anymore and was never really true and now voters see it. Democrats crushed at every turn. States suing the federal government. The federal government suing states. The Supreme Court deciding constitutionallity of law and immigration.....what a mess.

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I can't believe that homosexuality is still such an issue in America.

Me neither, its an absolute joke, but that's how close minded the majority of our populace is unfortunately. I think its the right stance for a president to take, but I don't think it's Obama's true stance. This is just election year campaigning at its finest, its not like he can reference his accomplishments in office...

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Vote ploy or not, as long as him taking this stance actually pushes forward some change on the issue, I don't give a fuck.

Edited by chevelle

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Giving one section of society a human right others have had forever * sarcastic applause *

Lol agreed. Congratulations on the idea that people are in fact all human beings!

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its disappointing that a politician can't express an opinion/belief without it being a tactic to get voters. its funny to see some of you think its his way of trying to lose voters :lol:

in fairness to the man he did get rid of the armys don't ask don't tell policy so he does have some credibility.

i can see how some people believe marriage should be between a man and a woman, that's what it is by definition and in some religions. But i do think civil ceremonies and civil partnerships should be allowed for gay/straight couples

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i can see how some people believe marriage should be between a man and a woman, that's what it is by definition and in some religions. But i do think civil ceremonies and civil partnerships should be allowed for gay/straight couples

exactly, civil unions so that they can have the same rights for insurance coverage, hospital visitation rights, inheritance, etc.

No one is trying to be inhumane or tell people how they can live.

But two men cant be "married", thats just ridiculous.

and thats all North Carolina, and 30 other states by vote of majority are saying.

The special interest groups can pass it in certain states against the will of the majority via some activist judges if they would like, but a man cant "marry" a man.

just stop it already

Edited by shades

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The Republicans seem to think anyone can win because in their eyes Obama is a socialist, radical, possibly Muslim President that needs to be taken down. Unfortunately for them, most Americans do not share these views. Its just not going to happen.

He is a socialist, and he is a radical, how can you argue that?

look up the word socialism,

and if passing an entitlement program with no idea how to pay for it disguised as a healthcare program in the middle of the night isnt radical, not sure what is.

but he's not a Muslim

November will be a referendum on his record to date, and his path forward, he has 6 months to come up with a better excuse for the former than "Bush did it" and pulling a rabbit out of the hat on the latter.

I say he's in trouble, but Mitt is not a 70/30 lock by any means.

Its all about the economy and jobs

may the best man win

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That's not "all NC is saying." This fucked up amendment, the likes of which should never exist or have been put on a ballot because this is exactly the opposite of what a constitution is for, also does not allow for civil unions. Constitutions exist to guarantee and uphold the rights of citizens in good standing, not to define that certain citizens in good standing do not have rights. Gay marriage was already not legal in NC. There was no issue. The influence of a bunch of scared rednecks created this issue. This will go down as a shameful, or at least stupid, part of history.

and if creating two decade-long wars with no idea how to pay for it isnt radical, not sure what is.

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The influence of a bunch of scared rednecks created this issue. This will go down as a shameful, or at least stupid, part of history.

or at least to say 40% of you

and if creating two decade-long wars with no idea how to pay for it isnt radical, not sure what is.

Like I said, the "Bush did it" thing is starting to sound desperate, might want to move on there cowboy.

you want to keep talking about Bush 4 years later so be it.

how about that Lyndon Johnson character, he layed out the welfare program all wrong? I dont think the safety net was supposed to catch your children when they grew to adulthood too.

and what about Lincoln, maybe if he would have come up with some federal assistance for plantation owners to pay their help the South may not have wanted to secede from the Union and could have saved 500,000 American lives.

point is, what we have here is the present state of affairs, blame all you want, its starting to make the left look stupid

Edited by shades

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Obama has to have these views to appease his base of far lefties because that is where the money comes from, even if it doesn't represent the views of most Democratic voters.

It is obvious that Americans don't want gay marriage. 30 states with a constiutional ammendment defining marriage as one man and one woman. The only five that allow it were not decided by voters directly and four of those were decided by courts--maybe give one. Even the most liberal states have defined marriage as one man and one woman when put direct to voters.

I don't know what Obama plans with this sudden coming out. I guess he wants to do everything he can to lose the election. Seems like every day he goes against what Americans for the most part want and voters are seeing what is going on now.

If election were today--Obama gets destroyed, not just beaten. And if it keeps going like it has been with every one of these issues (contraceptives, war on women, class warfare, race mongering by the left) it will be even worse. Every attempt to try to distract from the fact that the economy is terrible (and worse than the media tries to portray) has failed miserably and indeed has backfired on Democrats.

I see all Republicans voting for Romney and most independents. I don't think Obama is going to get party support at the ballots nearly as strong as what he got in 2008. I'm seeing 70% 30%, 65% 35% election this year. People are just sick of the excuses and the blaming of anyone and everyone and anything for broken promises. The change he promised is the exact opposite of what he is doing with all of his politics and mudslinging. Romney isn't even a strong canidate. Bush has been gone 3.5 years. Time to take some responsiblility. Obama's still campaigning like he is not the incumbant, like Romney is the incumbant (or still Bush) and all the problems that have gotten worse since 2008 he's just now stepping into like its someone else's mess. The logic of blame Bush doesn't fly anymore and was never really true and now voters see it. Democrats crushed at every turn. States suing the federal government. The federal government suing states. The Supreme Court deciding constitutionallity of law and immigration.....what a mess.

Well, honestly man, you are out of touch. Mitt Romney is not going to defeat Obama 70 to 30%. I would bet my life on that. Good portions of the GOP base don't even trust him. I have plenty of problems with Obama and I think we deserve better, but the American people are not gonna choose Mitt instead, and definitely not by such a huge margin. The Republicans seem to think anyone can win because in their eyes Obama is a socialist, radical, possibly Muslim President that needs to be taken down. Unfortunately for them, most Americans do not share these views. Its just not going to happen.

Out of touch? GOP have overwhelmingly voted for him in primaries accross US. He has handily defeated any ultra conservative or tea partish canidate.

In 2008 Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173. The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively. Obama got roughly 53% with majority of independent voters and many Republicans either not voting at all or indeed voting for Obama. Obama essentially ran against Bush in 08. McCain was Bush JR. People were voting against GOP that election.

Remember, people didn't know who Obama was. He was hope and change. He was going to clean up Washington. Well, it is even worse. And the Economy is worse. And the deficit is worse. Obama blasted Bush for deficits and Obama blows Bush out of the water in 3 years on deficit.

It isn't a big stretch, now that Americans know who Obama is, that he will go down big. He will not get independent majority. He is isn the same spot McCain was. His own party is stuck between having to support him and trying to distance themselves from him. Young people and black vote will not turn out as highly this time around and I don't think he is going to get the automatic Democrat vote.

I listen to radio and read news and opinion on both sides. This guy is in trouble--even left media sees it and points it out. They have a hard time defending him anymore.

My point is that the stars basically aligned for this guy to get elected in the first place. No one knew who we was. He was just something different. Guy has never run anything and barely had a job in his life. He has virtually no leadership qualities. It took so many things to go just right for him and with all that it was still 53% to 47%.

Economy is terrible--worse. And it isn't Bush who made it worse for 3 years. People understand that now. And if it were true, Obama said he was going to fix it by the end of his first term and if he didn't he is going to be a one term president. His own words. Now that we're near the end, he's saying it is worse than he thought. Even if its true, you can't say that to people. It is just an excuse. Don't promise and then not deliver and then argue that it was worse than you thought and make up a straw man argument and basically say, "Its been bad for 3.5 years. But Romney is going to be worse." That's what he's running on now.

Romney is a business man. We need jobs. Put the two together. Gay marriage? Who cares right now? It is only a distraction from what really matters. It is going to backfire. People are starting to see the tactics of left. That is why I say 70 30 or 65 35. If the number of turnout happens it will be about 90 million Romney to 40 million Obama to get to 70% It seems big on paper. It might be. Everything that got Obama elected in 08 is gone now. We probably won't get 130 million voters this time around. And if that is the case it will because there will be lower turnout from Democrats and from young people and minorities.

Edited by gabrielsevenn7

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Cool for Obama to say that.

It is unbelievable to me that homosexuality is still such a huge issue that when the president says he supports gays, people lose their shit. Get over yourself already.

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Cool for Obama to say that.

It is unbelievable to me that homosexuality is still such a huge issue that when the president says he supports gays, people lose their shit. Get over yourself already.

Its not a big issue until election year because this is the crap the left makes a big deal out of because they can't run on jobs or economy or defense or fiscal responsibility or accountable government. Election time--time to bring out race and war on women and class warfare.

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