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Do you think Axl ever regrets keeping the name?


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AXL ROSE - no wife,no kids,most of the fans dont care about CD
the GNR name is the only thing he has :violin:

so true :rofl-lol:


He seems happy enough, these days. And if you're happy you have all you need.

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It's is quite possible to focus on newer material (which he does by playing 6-8 songs from CD every night), and to support your current bandmates (which he does by giving them ample opportunity to play solos and own material during shows, and by using their creations on the records), while still keeping the band name.

Axl has never expressed a desire to move on from his Guns N' Roses vision. Letting go of the name would be to abandon his plans and his vision.


There would be no better way for Axl to support his current bandmates than to establish their own identity by getting them out of the GNR shadow. A huge step toward establishing their own identity would be to give them a new band name, or better yet allow all 7 bandmates to be included in the decisionmaking process of coming up with a new name.

7 Democracy songs out of a 25 song set (35 songs including solos/instrumental jams) is not properly supporting the newer music. In fact they typically perform more solos/instrumental jams than they do Democracy songs. Now I'm not advocating they don't perform any pre-1994 songs at all, but certainly they should at the very least be performing as many newer songs of their own than they do older songs from the classic lineup.

Axl has called his separation from classic GNR a divorce, keeping the GNR name is equivalent to divorcing your wife but still living in the same house with her. A fresh start should be just that, not a continuation of something that was established long ago with people that are no longer in your life.

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I agree with what Linguini just said.

The original GnR was a huge band and Axl should do a much better job at creating a new identity for this current lineup. Since he hasn't, many still feel this is just a cover band.

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When he gets the cash in hand, I doubt he regrets it.

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It's is quite possible to focus on newer material (which he does by playing 6-8 songs from CD every night), and to support your current bandmates (which he does by giving them ample opportunity to play solos and own material during shows, and by using their creations on the records), while still keeping the band name.

Axl has never expressed a desire to move on from his Guns N' Roses vision. Letting go of the name would be to abandon his plans and his vision.


There would be no better way for Axl to support his current bandmates than to establish their own identity by getting them out of the GNR shadow. A huge step toward establishing their own identity would be to give them a new band name,


Not necessarily. By keeping the name these guys gets lots of attention, something they might not get if they were only part of a new band with a famous singer.

or better yet allow all 7 bandmates to be included in the decisionmaking process of coming up with a new name.


Or better yet: Releasing a new album as quick as possible.

7 Democracy songs out of a 25 song set (35 songs including solos/instrumental jams) is not properly supporting the newer music.


Playing 7 songs of a new record that wasn't ecstatically received 4 years after its release, IS properly supporting the new music. It is more than what one could hope for. The fact that they ALSO play 18 old songs and covers has no bearings on this. It is the total number of songs played, not the percentage, that is important.

Now I'm not advocating they don't perform any pre-1994 songs at all, but certainly they should at the very least be performing as many newer songs of their own than they do older songs from the classic lineup.


That could only happen by either playing less old songs, and hence reducing the set, or boring the audience with even more CD songs, none of which are good options.

Axl has called his separation from classic GNR a divorce, keeping the GNR name is equivalent to divorcing your wife but still living in the same house with her. A fresh start should be just that, not a continuation of something that was established long ago with people that are no longer in your life.


But he is not living in the same house with her, she left many years ago. He is still living in the same house, but with a new wife.

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I agree with most of what you say. But giving the band a new name would stop comparisons for good.

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AXL ROSE - no wife,no kids,most of the fans dont care about CD
the GNR name is the only thing he has :violin:

so true :rofl-lol:


He seems happy enough, these days. And if you're happy you have all you need.


I need CD2 :no:

Edited by Black Roses, 16 June 2012 - 11:51 AM.

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I agree with most of what you say. But giving the band a new name would stop comparisons for good.


And also make promotion more than twice as hard. It'll never happen.

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ditto

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I agree with most of what you say. But giving the band a new name would stop comparisons for good.


I don't think he wanted to stop comparisons, I actually believe he naively thought he could create something that would overshadow the legacy.

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Big mistake, if he actually believed that. I'm going to go out of my way here and say that the current band is not bad. But, and this is a huge BUT, they have some very big shoes to fill. And releasing 1 album in 10 years and making no vídeos doesn't help to make us, stubborn fans, forget the old band, which we fell in love with, not because Slash wore a cool hat or because of Duff's punk looks, but because musically speaking they delivered great albums.

Most people complain(ed) about buckethead's weird KFC bucket or about DJ Ashba's lack of stage presence, but it all boils down to the music. I couldn't care less about what musicians wear on stage. It's all about the music. About cool solos, cool riffs, memorable choruses, great hooks, great bass lines. Not about wearing expensive clothes on stage.

It only takes 1 great album with memorable songs to make us all forget about the past and move on. And that's no small feat, I know. But Axl has the musical genius to make great records. He just needs the right musicians.

...and so far he has NOT been able to substituye Izzy, Slash and Duff in that department.

Edited by Madridista, 16 June 2012 - 12:21 PM.


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He did say that he would be forced into bankrupcy if he didn't keep it so it was sorta the only option. He also said that he didn't regret it but that he hoped that it would be less hassle that it has been.

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Big mistake, if he actually believed that. I'm going to go out of my way here and say that the current band is not bad. But, and this is a huge BUT, they have some very big shoes to fill. And releasing 1 album in 10 years and making no vídeos doesn't help to make us, stubborn fans, forget the old band, which we fell in love with, not because Slash wore a cool hat or because of Duff's punk looks, but because musically speaking they delivered great albums.


I haven't forgotten the old band, just like I haven't forgotten Beatles or any bands of the past. I also don't think anything Axl does now with the current band will in any way diminish the fond memories I have of the AFD lineup. I admire him for giving it a chance, I admire him for the balls he has to go through with it despite all the hate and anger he gets, and I for one will support him, even if he will never outshine his past. It is okay. As long as he tour and occasionally release new music that is okay, I am fine. I listen to the old albums and go to youtube when I want to reminisce, and listen to CD and other more current music when I feel the need for that. It is all good.

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No. Axl came up with the bands' name in the first place. So, it's within his right to trademark it. It didn't hurt anything for him, that trademark is worth it. As for him being limited by the fans need for GN'R to be more like the classic lineup, i completely disagree. He has the rights to the name. He has the right to make whatever album he wants. He could make an album comprised entirely of echo farts on a snare drum with background singing and call it "Appetite 2". His trademark, his name, his right. I don't believe Axl Rose is a person that lives with regrets. He makes his choices, he lives with them.

In fact, the only people this has really hurt is the ex-members of the band (two in particular). Axl took control of the name and they (Slash + Duff) let him. Whether they were given an ultimatum by management to do so (likely), we'll never know. So, the way I see it, they got what they deserved. If you allow something you don't want to happen to happen, it's no one's fault but your own. If there was any reason for the other members to stand up and show some pride (at the time) it was this issue. It's a colossal fuck up on the part of Slash + Duff (for signing the papers) and to a much lesser extent Adler(only because he was borderline retarded and had been ejected due to his inability to keep sober). Izzy escapes blame in this for cutting ties with the band before the Use Your Illusion tour.

Edited by SWIFTSLICK, 16 June 2012 - 03:38 PM.


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No. Axl came up with the bands' name in the first place. So, it's within his right to trademark it. It didn't hurt anything for him, that trademark is worth it. As for him being limited by the fans need for GN'R to be more like the classic lineup, i completely disagree. He has the rights to the name. He has the right to make whatever album he wants. He could make an album comprised entirely of echo farts on a snare drum with background singing and call it "Appetite 2". His trademark, his name, his right. I don't Axl Rose is a person that lives with regrets. He makes his choices, he lives with them.

In fact, the only people this has really hurt is the ex-members of the band (two in particular). Axl took control of the name and they (Slash + Duff) let him. Whether they were given an ultimatum by management to do so (likely), we'll never know. So, the way I see it, they got what they deserved. If you allow something you don't want to happen to happen, it's no one's fault but your own. If there was any reason for the other members to stand up and show some pride (at the time) it was this issue. It's a colossal fuck up on the part of Slash + Duff (for signing the papers) and to a much lesser extent Adler(only because he was borderline retarded and had been ejected due to his inability to keep sober). Izzy escapes blame in this for cutting ties with the band before the Use Your Illusion tour.


So you just explained what Axl CAN do, and we already knew that, but the point of the topic is does he regret doing it? Considering the hardship he says he has endured, I don't think it is impossible that if he could go back, he would try another route.




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