Vincent Vega Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) Marc,Slash, Izzy, Gilby, Duff, and Matt all exited GN'R from 1991 to 1997. All of them talked about Axl and said negative things after they quit. They all talked shit, all told similar stories, all basically made him out to be the bad guy in the press. Slash was not by any means the only ex-Gunner doing this. You've said in the past that Axl's made at Slash or hates him for opening his mouth, for lying...But weren't the others guilty of the same thing? For opening their mouths and ruining Axl's reputation in the process?Izzy said tons of shit about Axl and joked about how Axl couldn't get laid in high school and how Axl had become a dictator, Duff called Axl a dictator, Gilby called Axl a dictator, Matt said all sorts of crap about Axl's personal life, and yet Axl has forgiven all of them, and he's played live with Gilby, Izzy and Duff and hung out with Steven and Matt. Why exactly does he hate Slash to the point that he wouldn't even stand to be in the same room with him, whereas he forgave all the other guys, who did the same exact thing as Slash? What is it that Slash did that was in Axl's eyes worse than what Izzy, Duff, Gilby, or Matt did? Edited July 18, 2012 by Indigo Miser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 First off he is upset that Slash quit and left him hanging. He also thinks that Slash has lied about a lot of things over the years and even if Slash said somethings that were not lies they were still hurtful. He blames Slash for stealing 15 years of his life this is what Axl told me in 2008 ( long story but maybe Axl will explain this one day) There is more to it and I don't even no the reasons. Slash doesn't even know all the reasons. Axl doesn't know how to deal with the anger he has for Slash but somehow was able to deal with anger he had for Izzy and Duff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndaRose Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 what Axl told me in 2008you once told me you haven't spoken to him since 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkchild Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Marc has said about emails later on after Axl had a go at him down the phone in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 what Axl told me in 2008you once told me you haven't spoken to him since 2006it was in an Email 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivil war Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Marc, in your opinion could someone (obviously not asking for names) around Axl be feeding this anger? A possible reunion between the two could be a threat to them insofar as control of Axl/the band goes, or maybe they actually have as much or more bad blood with Slash? I understand of you can't/won't answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyp44 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I think it has to do with legal reasons. Slash has put the kobash on somethings that Axl wanted to put out and has also tied Axl up in court for many years. Id be pissed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.Izzy was his BFF from high school, he always seemed a bit closer to him than the others. I assume that's why he was forgiven, despite having publicly made considerably more caustic remarks about Axl than Slash has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Izzy was his BFF from high school, he always seemed a bit closer to him than the others. I assume that's why he was forgiven, despite having publicly made considerably more caustic remarks about Axl than Slash has. Yeah, but Izzy faded out early making it clear he didn't want to be part of the huge success. I don't know how Axl took this decision but it's obvious their relationship stopped being the same since that. Sometimes high school friendships end without much questioning and you build stronger relationships with other people that last for a lifetime.Slash stayed in the boat and became Axl's crutch, so when he left, Axl felt lost and disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think Axl's also used hate as a fuel to motivate himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 A broken heart provides the spark for his determination 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfriend Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/194633-why-does-axl-hate-slash-more-than-izzy-duff-and-steven/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/194633-why-does-axl-hate-slash-more-than-izzy-duff-and-steven/Miser loves to repeat his babblings, and when he does post something he hasn't posted before it is because he saw it posted by somebody else. There simply isn't an original thought in his head which makes him the weakest poster here, which causes people to ridicule him, which causes him to meltdown and get banned. The clock is ticking. Edited November 29, 2014 by Damn_Smooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either. Axl never "loved" Slash. Axl said so himself. Something along lines of 'Slash should have left after AFD or never been in Guns in the 1st place'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either.Axl never "loved" Slash. Axl said so himself. Something along lines of 'Slash should have left after AFD or never been in Guns in the 1st place'.Actually, in Axl's Del James interview he says he told that Rolling Stone writer he "said loved, as in past tense". So Axl has said he loved Slash once, he just no longer does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either.DAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickzark Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 after so many years and they are still hating each other.there must have been something very wrong and axl can not forget it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either.Axl never "loved" Slash. Axl said so himself. Something along lines of 'Slash should have left after AFD or never been in Guns in the 1st place'.Axl's default mode is butthurt, though. I think there was a friendship when the band first started, but tinyrobot's idea that they were close by the time Izzy left is contrary to everything I've ever heard/read. I suspect it owes more to the fact that Slash was the one member he simply couldn't afford to lose without having to start everything from scratch. And the fact that he dared to be somewhat successful afterwards. Edited December 3, 2014 by Angelica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either. Axl never "loved" Slash. Axl said so himself. Something along lines of 'Slash should have left after AFD or never been in Guns in the 1st place'.Axl lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadsy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Why does it always have to be so cut and dry? Its obvious to everyone that Axl is a really complex guy, he probably loved slash, hated slash, needed slash and didnt want slash in the band all at once, and here we are.Where things are concerned with axl.. its never straight forward. Edited December 17, 2014 by Tadsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Why does it always have to be so cut and dry? Its obvious to everyone that Axl is a really complex guy, he probably loved slash, hated slash, needed slash and didnt want slash in the band all at once, and here we are.Where things are concerned with axl.. its never straight forward.Agreed. My guess is at one time, Axl hated Slash. The same time that Slash hated Axl. Axl is just one of those guys that has ALOT of trouble working through things. Its just who he is.What I think its actually come to after all these years is Axl probably knows that the hate isn't really justified anymore. That they've all moved on, and that it really is so far in the past. But that its been so long, he probably thinks he can't just say that anymore. I think he has it in his head that its better to just stay mad or never speak to Slash again than to actually deal with the realization that maybe all of this was blown way out of proportion.I don't think there's anything at this point in time that Axl still feels betrayed about. Its just more, he's kept it up this long... why stop now? I truly have to think after 20 years its as simple as that. After so many years, he can't just go up to Slash one day and not be mad at him, and simultaneously he doesn't want to deal with mending fences because its so far in the past and it requires him to relive what were clearly very painful times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lim666 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Axl still has the main weight on his shoulder for breaking up what could have become the next Rolling Stones.And before people argue that Slash left etc......you know pretty well that the no-re-union is ONLY because of Axl, it's only his decision fucking up all what could have been or still could be! That includes not giving the armee of classic GN'R fans what they would like to have, hear and see. i just hope he frequently recognises that WE made him his lifestyle he has in the 1st place, doubt he does though - as that could be too much for his shoulders. Edited December 17, 2014 by Lim666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post recklessroad Posted December 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2014 Axl still has the main weight on his shoulder for breaking up what could have become the next Rolling Stones.And before people argue that Slash left etc......you know pretty well that the no-re-union is ONLY because of Axl, it's only his decision fucking up all what could have been or still could be! That includes not giving the armee of classic GN'R fans what they would like to have, hear and see. i just hope he frequently recognises that WE made him his lifestyle he has in the 1st place, doubt he does though - as that could be too much for his shoulders.Not really, they both wanted different things and and something had to give between them. Slash did blame Axl verbally in the press and Axl kept quiet for a long time until it exploded . Also because of some misunderstandings, Axl was not aware of things that were told to Slash by the management so he also blames Slash for lying about some things. In the end Axl was hurt by a lot of the things that Slash said in the press. True or not it was still hurtful to Axl.However Axl never got any real counseling for all that stuff and doesn't know how to deal with it and is just convinced that Slash is the bad man and can no longer see that there is a way to heal that. Its is true that Axl does hold the key to them talking again but is not able to see it. So its not his fault that he is unable to see that. Its just they way he is wired. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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