Do you think drugs impact people's lives negatively or favorably?

[wasted]

People always have problems. That's what they don't tell you at NA.

[Johnny Drama]

Thats what they don't tell you when you get a finger up the jacksie when all you wanted was a thumbs up.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Well if people want to get picky it was actually.

"Die Religion... ist das Opium des Volkes"

Anybody fluent in Kraut?

yeah, roughly translated that says:

Whistle while you work

Hitler is a twerp

He is barmy,

So's his army,

Whistle while you work

THATS ENTERTAAAAINMENTTTT!

[Nobodys_Fault]

While we're on the subject, any ents up in hurr?

I lurk it pretty regularly. Rarely post but it's a fun community.

With willpower and self control drugs can have a hugely postive impact on life. Somebody mentioned earlier about the guy who has "no direction" and just smokes weed and plays video games. That's not because he smokes weed. It's because he's a lazy fuck. Smoking weed and playing games all day is the effect of being a lazy fuck, not the cause. If you're a productive person weed aint gonna change that.

[arnold layne]

Arnold... Layne... is.... growing up? Getting his shit together? Man, December 2012 really is coming fast!

The mans made done ridiculous fucking progress of late. I wish you the best Nate. You're a good egg when you put that bullshit aside.

I wouldn't say that. It's been tough these past few weeks. My dad wants to kick me out of the house, yesterday I broke down and started bleeding somewhere (no it wasn't out of my ass, so don't ask), and my mom thinks her son is clinically insane. I won't bore you with any more details but life is far from perfect.

[Johnny Drama]

Arnold... Layne... is.... growing up? Getting his shit together? Man, December 2012 really is coming fast!

The mans made done ridiculous fucking progress of late. I wish you the best Nate. You're a good egg when you put that bullshit aside.

I wouldn't say that. It's been tough these past few weeks. My dad wants to kick me out of the house, yesterday I broke down and started bleeding somewhere (no it wasn't out of my ass, so don't ask), and my mom thinks her son is clinically insane. I won't bore you with any more details but life is far from perfect.

1. I thought you have moved out hence the drama this week.

2. Its Mum.

[arnold layne]

I moved home to escape the crazy subleaser, but my dad wants me to get the fuck out of his house.

That's only part of the bigger problem though. I have that house for the sole reason to continue college, but I don't like college. I don't like the city. It doesn't feel like home to me. Instead it feels like some dark depressing wasteland with a bunch of oddballs in the middle of nowhere. So either way it's a lose-lose situation. College is supposed to be fun yet it's been the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

Hopefully in the future I will get some desk job in downtown Minneapolis, making enough to pay the bills for my apartment so I can go home, hole up on the internet, and drink and watch TV on the weekends. I've realized this is the life the man from Fight Club hated, but I fear it's the only way to go.

[Guest Len B'stard]

I moved home to escape the crazy subleaser, but my dad wants me to get the fuck out of his house.

That's only part of the bigger problem though. I have that house for the sole reason to continue college, but I don't like college. I don't like the city. It doesn't feel like home to me. Instead it feels like some dark depressing wasteland with a bunch of oddballs in the middle of nowhere. So either way it's a lose-lose situation. College is supposed to be fun yet it's been the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

Hopefully in the future I will get some desk job in downtown Minneapolis, making enough to pay the bills for my apartment so I can go home, hole up on the internet, and drink and watch TV on the weekends. I've realized this is the life the man from Fight Club hated, but I fear it's the only way to go.

Also, i've heard Fight Club was just pretend.

Edited July 19, 2012 by sugaraylen

[arnold layne]

It's a fictional story, but it had a point.

If that 'point' was ridiculous it wouldn't have been a famous book or movie.

[Guest Len B'stard]

It's a fictional story, but it had a point.

If that 'point' was ridiculous it wouldn't have been a famous book or movie.

Oh just fuck off So ridiculous thing can't be famous? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..

[arnold layne]

Ok whatever.

[Guest Len B'stard]

I can't fuckin believe how thick you are, you need to talk to your parents and have em take you down to a doctor and have yourself looked at, like special needs or something. But that can't be true cuz you go to college, you must just actually really be that big a fool. Just didn't think it'd be possible. Do me a favour, dont watch clockwork orange, ok?

[arnold layne]

Thanks for the uplifting speech you ass.

They already think I'm crazy. They say I'm extremely paranoid and depressed and I am seeing a specialist later today.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Thanks for the uplifting speech you ass.

They already think I'm crazy. They say I'm extremely paranoid and depressed and I am seeing a specialist later today.

Well sorry but i believe in honesty. I don't think you're crazy, you wish you were fucking crazy cuz you think it'd make you cool, i think you're just arrogant and a bit of a soft lad and a wilfully stupid Kevin the Teenager caricature that was a few slaps short of a good upbringing. From my little knowledge of you, you're just a self absorbed dickhead.

The very existence of people like you winds me up to be honest. Soft lads whoose Mummys and Daddys got em everything as a kid, only for them to curse em out, your every post reads like a snotty 13 yr old girls journals, all woe is me and i'm this and i'm that and me me me, the snotty fuckin' kids of the middle class that got everything that money can pay for and none of the stuff that it can't, like a personality or a decent nature.

Edited July 19, 2012 by sugaraylen

[arnold layne]

Thanks for the uplifting speech you ass.

They already think I'm crazy. They say I'm extremely paranoid and depressed and I am seeing a specialist later today.

Well sorry but i believe in honesty. I don't think you're crazy, you wish you were fucking crazy cuz you think it'd make you cool, i think you're just arrogant and a bit of a soft lad and a wilfully stupid Kevin the Teenager caricature that was a few slaps short of a good upbringing. From my little knowledge of you, you're just a self absorbed dickhead.

The very existence of people like you winds me up to be honest. Soft lads whoose Mummys and Daddys got em everything as a kid, only for them to curse em out, your every post reads like a snotty 13 yr old girls journals, all woe is me and i'm this and i'm that and me me me, the snotty fuckin' kids of the middle class that got everything that money can pay for and none of the stuff that it can't, like a personality or a decent nature.

I agree.

[Guest Len B'stard]

I agree.

Yeah, i thought you might.

[shades]

easy on him there Len,

the kid has some issues but he's addressing them.

On topic, drugs , recreatioanl drugs always have a negative impact on your life. plain and simple.

If you're young and experiment, have some fun, party time, whatever.

just get it out of your system, because eventually it will affect your life negatively. period.

imo

The feeling on drugs can feel overwhelmingly good granted.

But you can get that naturally if you get your life in order

[Mysteron]

Arnold... Layne... is.... growing up? Getting his shit together? Man, December 2012 really is coming fast!

The mans made done ridiculous fucking progress of late. I wish you the best Nate. You're a good egg when you put that bullshit aside.

I wouldn't say that. It's been tough these past few weeks. My dad wants to kick me out of the house, yesterday I broke down and started bleeding somewhere (no it wasn't out of my ass, so don't ask), and my mom thinks her son is clinically insane. I won't bore you with any more details but life is far from perfect.

It is never good to do drugs or alcohol to mask whatever is going on in your life, so giving them up, for you, is the right thing to do, I believe.

It may also be a good idea for you to leave college and start working straight away, especially if you are not enjoying college. Earning money will allow you to become more independent and move away from the situation you are in now. Remember that you can go back to college in the future when you are in a position to enjoy it.

Everyone gets periods in their life which are shitty, you just have to keep your head down and focus on whats best for you

[ThomasMeadow]

I used to have a really negative outlook on drugs. Now I just have a "whatever" stance.

Besides drinking I have never done anything. Not even pot. I went to school with a lot of burn outs and after high school had a lot of jobs with burn outs.

I honestly didn't want to be like them so I never even tried the shit.

I remember working at a green house in ... '03 or '04 i think? There was a dude that all he did was talk about getting high and fucked up. He was 26 and still lived with his parents. I know a lot of people that do drugs aren't like that but there are some. Why take the chance of being that %.

[Guest Len B'stard]

easy on him there Len,

the kid has some issues but he's addressing them.

Thats my point though man, every second joker these days has got "issues" when most of the time the only issue is that they need to stop being so self absorbed and get off their bean bags and go live their life. Can you stand? Do you have functioning arms, legs and a brain? Do you get three square meals a day? Do you have a roof over your head? If the answer is yes then you need to give thanks and praise to the Lord and go make something of the day before the sun sets.

I know you know what i'm talking about, Jesus man, there's people out there that can't pay the bills and some joker sitting at home playing Mario Kart is having a hard life, sitting around dreaming dreams of Syd Barrett is a hard life?

You wanna know what a hard life is, a hard life is waking up in the morning and working 16 hour shifts, THATS a hard life, a hard life is going without luxurys like the slick clothes and big screen TVs and and top of the range shit just to make it so you can scrape a little extra together to maybe live in a lower middle class neighbourhood instead of a ghetto so maybe your kids have a better chance in life, a hard life is doing menial labour whilst trying to get a business of the ground from scratch so maybe, in 10 years time you'll have a better foundation for a life, a hard life is people who don't get to go to college cuz they gotta work to support themselves and there's a good chance that they'll live their entire life having not fulfilled their academic potential cuz they were too busy trying to keep a roof over theirs and theirs familys head and never once griping or complaining about it. Missed meal cramps, aching bones and a searing fucking headache, thats a hard life, driving a cab nights and being abused by every second drunk yahoo and getting robbed and having to chase fares down alleys, thats a hard life.

These kids ain't got no issues, all these kids have got is a lack of heart, a short supply of guts.

Edited July 19, 2012 by sugaraylen

[shades]

These kids ain't got no issues, all these kids have got is a lack of heart, a short supply of guts.

you are 100% right,

in the grand scheme of things he probably has nothing going on even remotely close to someone with say a sick child, or trying the feed the family with the world tumbling around them, etc etc.

and I tell people all the time compared to, you got no problems.

but

to him he may be somewhere in his own mind he might be about to lose it based on some made up depression or chemical imbalance or something.

Didnt want to hear of someone taking themselves out or something and having you just the day before reading him the riot act, just sayin kid.

I dont know this dude really and neither do you.

lifes a trip sometime, and the question was just say no to drugs or just say yes.

we have all, or most of us been there and agree drugs are an escape, and escaping in the long run wont work, no?

but I hear what you're saying

Edited July 19, 2012 by shades

[Dazey]

On topic, drugs , recreatioanl drugs always have a negative impact on your life. plain and simple.

Simply not true. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. The biggest high I've ever had was jumping out of a plane at 13,000ft and I did it cos it was one hell of a buzz. Now is that indicative of a life with no direction or simply something that was fun to do, cos it's the same principle.

Edited July 19, 2012 by Dazey

[arnold layne]

Ok len, you're right my issues may not be considered issues to you, but look at things from another perspective; that may be difficult to do.

As someone who was raised by a middle class family, it's really difficult for me to grow up. These past few years have been extremely difficult and extremely fast. For example, there are some childhood friends I used to play ball in the park with I may never see again, one of my other friends became a major drug dealer, my parents are tearing apart the house and my old bedroom was emptied, the nearby park's trees were cut down and the play fields were torn up, my grandparents are almost dead and everyone is moving on but me. I cannot handle change. It has been tough.

To make it even scarier I am miles away from home at a school I never liked. I am halfway done but I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I know college is important to my parents but I dislike the town, the school, the community and everything about it. It doesn't feel like home. What feels like home is the cities I grew up in and even they are changing.

This might sound like a joke to you but it's been really difficult and depressing for me.

[classicrawker]

Yes Drugs ruin lives for those who abuse them but if history has proven anything it is that making them illegal and trying to prevent people from using them has not worked no more than Prohibition of alcohol worked here in the U.S.

I am in favour of at least legalizing Ganja and using the tax money generated for drug education and rehab. Putting people in jail for a weed you can grow in your backyard to me is insane especially since has never been proven to be any more harmful then alcohol or tobacco....

Hard drugs are more problematic due to their addictive nature but again enforcement has proven to be futile...There is more abuse of legal perscription drugs then the illegal ones IMHO.......

Drugs will only have a negative effect on your life if you abuse them they are not the problem the person who abuses them is the problem

Chris Rock has it right..........

Edited July 19, 2012 by classicrawker

[classicrawker]

Ok len, you're right my issues may not be considered issues to you, but look at things from another perspective; that may be difficult to do.

As someone who was raised by a middle class family, it's really difficult for me to grow up. These past few years have been extremely difficult and extremely fast. For example, there are some childhood friends I used to play ball in the park with I may never see again, one of my other friends became a major drug dealer, my parents are tearing apart the house and my old bedroom was emptied, the nearby park's trees were cut down and the play fields were torn up, my grandparents are almost dead and everyone is moving on but me. I cannot handle change. It has been tough.

To make it even scarier I am miles away from home at a school I never liked. I am halfway done but I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I know college is important to my parents but I dislike the town, the school, the community and everything about it. It doesn't feel like home. What feels like home is the cities I grew up in and even they are changing.

This might sound like a joke to you but it's been really difficult and depressing for me.

Nate you have no idea how happy I am to hear you are seeking help..I may have given you shit in the past for your behavior but I always rooted for you to realize you needed help and wish you the best........good luck mate..........

easy on him there Len,

the kid has some issues but he's addressing them.

Thats my point though man, every second joker these days has got "issues" when most of the time the only issue is that they need to stop being so self absorbed and get off their bean bags and go live their life. Can you stand? Do you have functioning arms, legs and a brain? Do you get three square meals a day? Do you have a roof over your head? If the answer is yes then you need to give thanks and praise to the Lord and go make something of the day before the sun sets.

I know you know what i'm talking about, Jesus man, there's people out there that can't pay the bills and some joker sitting at home playing Mario Kart is having a hard life, sitting around dreaming dreams of Syd Barrett is a hard life?

You wanna know what a hard life is, a hard life is waking up in the morning and working 16 hour shifts, THATS a hard life, a hard life is going without luxurys like the slick clothes and big screen TVs and and top of the range shit just to make it so you can scrape a little extra together to maybe live in a lower middle class neighbourhood instead of a ghetto so maybe your kids have a better chance in life, a hard life is doing menial labour whilst trying to get a business of the ground from scratch so maybe, in 10 years time you'll have a better foundation for a life, a hard life is people who don't get to go to college cuz they gotta work to support themselves and there's a good chance that they'll live their entire life having not fulfilled their academic potential cuz they were too busy trying to keep a roof over theirs and theirs familys head and never once griping or complaining about it. Missed meal cramps, aching bones and a searing fucking headache, thats a hard life, driving a cab nights and being abused by every second drunk yahoo and getting robbed and having to chase fares down alleys, thats a hard life.

These kids ain't got no issues, all these kids have got is a lack of heart, a short supply of guts.

Fucks sakes mate give Nate a break as he has come to realize he has his issues and is finally trying to seek help to overcome them...give him some credit for trying instead of beating him down.......