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Saw SPECTRE a little while ago.

It felt pretty rushed/wrapped up way too quickly.

That Sam Smith song is really awful! I sorta don't mind him, reminds me of late 80's/early 90's somehow but that's a stinker of a Bond theme.

Adele's Skyfall was wonderful, loved You Know My Name too.

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12 hours ago, Snake-Pit said:

Whatever happened to the first black James Bond?

 

12 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

Craig essentially still has the job.

 

Regardless, Elba wouldn't have gotten the job - he's too old. He's only two years younger than Craig, and they need to go with someone considerably younger when they get Bond #7. They'd only have gotten two films out of Elba if he got the gig.

Powerage5 summed it but I'll add this.

That Sony leak a few years ago blew it up way more than it ever would have otherwise. It seemed that Elba (a terrific actor, mind you) was a suggestion by Sony themselves for the next Bond after Craig. It's who they wanted, but we all know the choice for Bond comes down to one person and one person only - Barbara Broccoli. Had it not been for the leaks, I doubt we would have had the story pick up so much steam.

It's one of the reasons we say "fuck MGM" because it's their own wants and desires (in this case - Sony as their financial backing) that hold up production sometimes - a long standing result of Harry Saltzman having sold his share of the Bond rights to United Artists back in the day instead of to Cubby Broccoli.

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Really wish they would put this Idris Elba thing to rest. No matter how many times Elba denies the rumors people keep talking about it. MGM should come out and say it but they step around the issue because of ther race thing. 

 

The Brosnan fanboys need to be gassed. If they are going to bring back a Bond actor it can only be Sean Connery. Brosnan has been giving fan service with his action films such as November Man and that other one that is on Netflix. They should be fucking grateful for that. He is no longer James Bond. Move on.

 

I think the one thing most fans can agree about Spectre is the awful theme song. It sucked. 

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Watched The Living Daylights again. It would have been flawless if the villains weren't so silly. They are probably the least threatening of all Bond villains. Maybe the most realistic. A Russian general wants to supply Russian troops in Afghanistan with hi-tech weapons to defeat the Mujahadeen while making a profit for himself in the heroin trade. Still, Koskov was a lot less threatening compared to Max Zorin. 

 

But Sanchez in Licence to Kill more than makes up for the lack of villains The Living Daylights had. What I liked most was Bond doing spy shit. Protecting a Russian defector (turns out to be fake), getting close to a girl who's only crime is to fall for the Russian who somehow fools her into pretending to be a sniper, without realizing she was supposed to be shot. Plus around this time The Soviet Union was on its last leg. The filmmakers knew it was about to fall, just a matter of when. It is the last of the Cold War era Bond films. Licence to Kill was released in 1989 just two years before the end of the Cold War but that was about an even more menacing threat on America's door step. The Colombian drug cartels. I am certain Sanchez was based on Pablo Escobar. 

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My top 5 villains:
1. Raoul Silva
2. Franz Sanchez
3. Max Zorin
4. Francisco Scaramanga 
5. Le Chiffre

Honorary mention: Mr. White. He had potential to be my favorite - I absolutely adored every second he was on screen. I just wish he had been a bit more developed, there was so much to work with there. I suspect if EON didn't finally get the rights to SPECTRE, he would've been further fleshed out in an alternate Bond 24. 

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I thought Waltz was a totally underwhelming villain - he has been typecast as the go-to eccentric/quirky villain (also see: Tarzan) but the problem is that he's taking on lesser and lesser quality roles, and it's becoming repetitive and cliched. 

Didn't think Spectre was bad per se, just totally forgettable, overlong, and predictable.

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2 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

I think they should have an Indian James Bond :lol:

 

I agree.

3 hours ago, James Bond said:

Yeah, the Bond villains who don't pose a physical threat need that sadistic, cunning interior to be deemed threatening. When it's done right, you get Goldfinger. When it's done wrong, you get, uh... Dominic Greene. :lol:

Even Hugo Drax was more threatening than Greene.

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Weird video, but the criticism of Spectre (and the current state) is spot on, imo:

Edit: By no way do I mean I want a new actor every movie or a moving timeline, etc. Just get back to what works and stop trying to force some weird connection between movies down our throats. That being said I've already stated like 100 times in this thread how much I like the idea of Jon Hamm, so that idea sticks :lol:

Edit 2: if you're bored someone on reddit wrote a fucking novel-length response about how much this video is wrong :lol::lol::lol:

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16 minutes ago, Crazyman said:

Weird video, but the criticism of Spectre (and the current state) is spot on, imo:

Edit: By no way do I mean I want a new actor every movie or a moving timeline, etc. Just get back to what works and stop trying to force some weird connection between movies down our throats. That being said I've already stated like 100 times in this thread how much I like the idea of Jon Hamm, so that idea sticks :lol:

His observations of weaknesses in the franchise are precise but his remedy is too extreme. He is also missing the obvious point that Skyfall was a stand alone movie, a stand alone that the makers of Spectre suddenly decided to retcon into the whole Mr White-Quantum-Spectre arc - specifically the character Raoul Silva. It sticks out like a sore thumb and should never have been done. You also have to remember that Casino Royale was envisioned as a first part to this continuous arc which he criticises and is quite superb at it. It is just that they made a dog's dinner of the sequel (Solace), decided to sit on it because it was too messy to return to (Skyfall), before (unsatisfactorily) returning to the thing (Spectre). Do not allow the flaws in Quantum and Spectre blind you to a superb film which could of, theoretically, been the first outing of a superb trilogy. Quantum of Solace stinking so bad was not a foregone conclusion.

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40 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

His observations of weaknesses in the franchise are precise but his remedy is too extreme.

Right - totally agree with this. The criticism is spot on, the remedy not so much. That being said, whenever the next reboot is due I wouldn't mind if they at least tried to go period and keep it in the 50's/60's era, as long as its done right. That way we could stop all the bitching about misogyny and the diversity of the character. 

About CR/QoS - was the original plan going to be a trilogy, and the plans got altered because of the writers strike/shitty QoS? I honestly can't remember the original plan.

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7 hours ago, Crazyman said:

Right - totally agree with this. The criticism is spot on, the remedy not so much. That being said, whenever the next reboot is due I wouldn't mind if they at least tried to go period and keep it in the 50's/60's era, as long as its done right. That way we could stop all the bitching about misogyny and the diversity of the character. 

About CR/QoS - was the original plan going to be a trilogy, and the plans got altered because of the writers strike/shitty QoS? I honestly can't remember the original plan.

Perhaps I was being presumptuous. The original plan was certainly to continue an 'arc' into a second film - NB, Mr White, Vesper's death; whether that would have continued into a third film is guess work - the filmmakers certainly didn't have any clue at how to continue it!

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I think a period piece Bond would somehow work better as a television series - perhaps a miniseries. I think bringing the cinematic Bond back to the fifties/sixties would be the death of the series. They'd have to abandon much of what modern audiences have come to expect from Bond based upon the other big action series going (Mission, Bourne, Fast & Furious, etc...). Bond has always sustained itself by moving forward and adapting with the times. They just need to take the spirit of the sixties films and update it. Casino Royale is as good as it is because of that. It just so effortlessly blended "modern action film" with "classic spy thriller" and took its time to tell a story. That should be the benchmark of the series together with OHMSS as far as how to capture the vibe of the early films while still telling a wonderful story amidst the action and humour. I guess you could argue that a period Bond would be a breath of fresh air but I don't think it would be the way forward for the series.

What I would love independent of the film series is the miniseries idea that faithfully adapts all of the Fleming novels as period pieces - each episode is a different novel. You would then get some faithful Fleming, the period setting, and avoid doing flat out remakes of the film series.

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4 hours ago, James Bond said:

They just need to take the spirit of the sixties films and update it. Casino Royale is as good as it is because of that. It just so effortlessly blended "modern action film" with "classic spy thriller" and took its time to tell a story. That should be the benchmark of the series together with OHMSS as far as how to capture the vibe of the early films while still telling a wonderful story amidst the action and humour. I guess you could argue that a period Bond would be a breath of fresh air but I don't think it would be the way forward for the series.

What I would love independent of the film series is the miniseries idea that faithfully adapts all of the Fleming novels as period pieces - each episode is a different novel. You would then get some faithful Fleming, the period setting, and avoid doing flat out remakes of the film series.

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Netflix should try and acquire the miniseries idea you proposed. That way we could get Bond more frequently - have the miniseries come out during the breaks of the regular movies.

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5 hours ago, James Bond said:

I think a period piece Bond would somehow work better as a television series - perhaps a miniseries. I think bringing the cinematic Bond back to the fifties/sixties would be the death of the series. They'd have to abandon much of what modern audiences have come to expect from Bond based upon the other big action series going (Mission, Bourne, Fast & Furious, etc...). Bond has always sustained itself by moving forward and adapting with the times. They just need to take the spirit of the sixties films and update it. Casino Royale is as good as it is because of that. It just so effortlessly blended "modern action film" with "classic spy thriller" and took its time to tell a story. That should be the benchmark of the series together with OHMSS as far as how to capture the vibe of the early films while still telling a wonderful story amidst the action and humour. I guess you could argue that a period Bond would be a breath of fresh air but I don't think it would be the way forward for the series.

What I would love independent of the film series is the miniseries idea that faithfully adapts all of the Fleming novels as period pieces - each episode is a different novel. You would then get some faithful Fleming, the period setting, and avoid doing flat out remakes of the film series.

I wanted them to do a Smallville meets James Bond series, but Bond had already done a bunch of years in the Royal Navy when he became a Double 0, so you kind of wonder what was going on in between 16 to 36 and how he got roped into spy work.

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Have I mentioned how much I didn't like Spectre in this thread yet? :lol:

If not, here's a video pinpointing some interesting points I tried to articulate (along with some other, shittier points). Just a bit of fun, really:

Also DC is currently starting in a play that Barbara is producing...that should be a more clear-cut sign that he's gonna come back (after a lengthy break). Bond 25 probably in 2018/19

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