Vincent Vega Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) How much GN'R era stuff (or stuff written originally for GN'R) has Slash used on Snakepit, the VR records and his solo albums? What about stuff that Izzy has written and released and Gilby and Matt? Do you know of any of their songs were written originally to be GN'R songs but were either rejected or they quit before they could be used?Slash said in '96 before he left that the band had 80 songs written and we know that the following songs were DEFINITELY originally meant to be GN'R songs:Back and Forth Again (A slightly different version plays in the Making of Estranged video with Axl whistling over it) / All of the first Snakepit albumNightcrawler (unreleased song from the UYI sessions, was released as Speed Parade on Ain't Life Grand)Fall to Pieces (Axl claims Slash showed him the key bits and riff around '95 and '96)Are there any other songs that you know of that Slash, Izzy, Duff or Gilby have released on their solo records which were originally written to be GN'R songs? Edited November 27, 2012 by Vincent Vega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 In April 1995 Duff invited Izzy to write songs for the next GN'R album; together, they recorded about ten demos. Some of these apparently have been released on Stradlin's solo projects (I do not know which ones?). Axl liked one (Down by the Ocean) to such an extent that it may appear on an upcoming new gnr album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I don't know of anymore. Izzy may have some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 It would be interesting to know if Gilby intended any of Pawnshop Guitars for GN'R. It is plausible because of the time period - early/mid 94 (it was released the month he was sacked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Fall To Pieces was never a GnR song, it was written in 2002. If what I've heard of Nightcrawler is real, it's not the same song as Speed Parade. The "slightly different" version of Back and Forth Again could very well be a different song. I don't think we know of any actual song titles that were meant to be GnR songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Axl said that the guitar part for, what would become FTP, existed during the 1996 Complex sessions; I see no reason to doubt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 There's a good chance it was a different song, or Slash was just messing around. Either way I don't believe FTP was ever meant for GnR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 Fall To Pieces was never a GnR song, it was written in 2002.If what I've heard of Nightcrawler is real, it's not the same song as Speed Parade.The "slightly different" version of Back and Forth Again could very well be a different song.I don't think we know of any actual song titles that were meant to be GnR songs.Marc said Nightcrawler is Speed Parade.Back and Forth Again sounds pretty much the same as it does on the Snakepit record except on the Making of Estranged there's no organ. Couldn't the riff and keybits of Fall to Pieces have been written in '96? Slash claimed the band had written 80 songs by the summer of '96, and Matt confirmed they'd recorded 7 songs. I doubt Slash would've just canned those songs because he left GN'R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 He said he wrote the whole thing in 2002, I asked him over twitter if any of it was written when he was in GnR and he said no. I've listened to that bit on the making of Estranged a few dozen times trying to see if it was in fact Back and Forth Again, it was similar but not close enough for it to be definite.Speed Parade and what apparently is Nightcrawler have the same sort of sound, but it's not the same song. I am just basing this on what I've heard which could be incorrect, I admit. The two versions of Nightcrawler I've heard though are not the same as Speed Parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The riff in Nightcrawler and Speed Parade are the same riff. The rest of the song is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Concerning FTP, then you have to ask, why would Axl lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 He may have heard something else. I mean he heard it in 96, and the song came out in 2004. Slash could've been just messing around, playing whatever. It may have very well been similar to FTP, but the actual song was fully written in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 He may have heard something else. I mean he heard it in 96, and the song came out in 2004. Slash could've been just messing around, playing whatever. It may have very well been similar to FTP, but the actual song was fully written in 2002.Nobody is questioning that the song was 'fully' written in 2002, but, I do not see any reason to disbelieve Axl when he stated that he heard an element of the song in 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 An element? Sure. Anything substantial? Probably not. I was just trying to say that FTP was never meant for Guns, as Miser tried to state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) The riff in Nightcrawler and Speed Parade are the same riff. The rest of the song is differentThis is fake isnt it mate What year was this one recorded mate Edited November 28, 2012 by Gibbo 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Axl said "key bits". I believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellobeatle Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Fall To Pieces could have been anything. I'm not even that great of a guitar player and even I know that riff is just messing around with suspending a single open chord. The first thing people play as soon as they strap on a guitar is usually a single chord w/ some suspending just to see if it's in tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It is a trademark apreggio Slash thing a la Don't Cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It would be interesting to know if Gilby intended any of Pawnshop Guitars for GN'R. It is plausible because of the time period - early/mid 94 (it was released the month he was sacked).Gilby wrote a lot of them before coming into GN'R, but offered the album to the band for use and it was rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepsun Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 It is a trademark apreggio Slash thing a la Don't Cry.Actually, more like the Sweet Child descending riff on all the chorus D chords. it's also in Patience at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 In Slash's book he mentions how before Weiland joined VR and Izzy was involved that they made what would have been "hands down the best GNR record". I wonder how many songs of those ended up on Contraband or Libertad (not many here... lol) or the Slash and friends album...well, this came out 2-3 years before his first solo album: I wouldn't be surprised if he's 'saved' some favorite riffs and stuff for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salx Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Fall to Pieces sounds similar to the song in the Making of Estranged were Axl is whistling, its at least the same chords. Edited February 5, 2015 by salx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseIRS Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 According to Axl the origins of Fall to Pieces started in '96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatashame Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 According to Axl the origins of Fall to Pieces started in '96.source, please? (i don't doubt you, i just want to read more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 According to Axl the origins of Fall to Pieces started in '96.source, please? (i don't doubt you, i just want to read more)He says something about it here: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/133371-axl-rose-chat-6-mygnrforum-dec-14-2008/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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