Sixes Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Not for me. I'd take any Tony Martin album over 13 except for Forbidden, and maybe Cross Purposes. Funny how our opinions varyForbidden is my fav Martin era albumForbidden > TYR> Headless Cross> Cross PurposesThe Eternal idol was better with Ray Gillen vocals, imoWhat's so random about it? It's a highly polarizing album (Arguably more so than any other Sabbath album) and this is the thread we started for the album/tour cycle.Just because its 2 years old. Its cool though, its a fun topic.it wasnt organic sounding or feeling to me at all IMO. Oh god, stop this shit, man....They will never be as organic as in their 20-30's....Plus if you add Rick Rubin to the mix, you will find why they're sound like this...God, you people had too much expectations...The album still got kick ass riffs and Brad Wilk's drumming was ok and fit for their styleI'm just glad that they don't auto tune the shit out of Ozzy's vocals... He barely can sing anymore, but it's understandable, it's a miracle that he is alive. I thiink people who like Ozzy, mostly like him, because of his persona and his legacy, not because his voice (at least not now)Come on. Black Sabbath (minus Bill) reunites and starts recording an album, and we're not supposed to have expectations? That's the cross you bear when you reunite and record an album. It would be the same for any band as big as Sabbath. You can try all you want to not have expectations, but recording a "reunion" album guarantees a level of expectation. It's unavoidable.The album is completely forgettable. If I want to listen to Ozzy Sabbath, I'll listen to the earlier albums because they are leagues better. The Devil You Know is an album I still want to listen to, alongside Heaven And Hell, The Mob Rules, and Dehumanizer. That's why it'll always be the better album for me.I agree that its fine that people have high expectationsAnyways, I've made my stance clear- I really do like the record. Great guitar work and the songs are cool. I do think it is a bit of a copy cat record at times, though.1.End of the Beginning = Black Sabbath2. God is Dead?3. Loner = NIB4. Zeitgeist = Planet Caravan5. Age of Reason6. Live Forever7. Damaged Soul = The Warning8. Dear FatherSo, 4 songs on the album are really close in sound and structure to past songs. The other songs also bear a lot of similarities to their past stuff. So, I totally get that complain. Still, I think this is all good music. End of the Beginning has great guitar work, God is Dead? has a really cool second half. Loner is catchy with good musicianship. Zeitgeist is a good Planet Caravan ripoff. Age of Reason is one of their best songs in decades imo, the final solo is excellent. Live Forever is kind of forgettable. Damaged Soul is awesome, lots of awesome guitar and a good throwback to jammy Sabbath. Dear Father is the most Ozzy/newish sounding song and it grew on me.I think 13 is way better than Forbidden and the Tony Martin stuff.Have you heard the bonus tracks? Yikesand i thought that you have some decent musical taste, lolYou actually like the bonus tracks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Look who is here:http://loudwire.com/black-sabbath-bill-ward-accept-ivor-novello-lifetime-achievement-award/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I don't think Ozzy is there because he supposedly recently had surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Bill looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Wuuuuuuuuuuuut?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Oh please.... PLEASE LET BILL BE ON THE FINAL ALBUM, no matter how minimal the chances of it being an awesome album it is, HE DESERVES IT SO MUCH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'm not very hopeful. It was just a lifetime achievement award thing - of course they'd all be there if they were all invited (Barring Ozzy for the reasons BS stated). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'm not very hopeful. It was just a lifetime achievement award thing - of course they'd all be there if they were all invited (Barring Ozzy for the reasons BS stated).You know you were around here when Guns got inducted into the RNRHOF, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I listened to 13 again the other day and it really isn't very good.God Is Dead and Dear Father are the only keepers, the rest are all pretty uninspired. I preferred Ozzy's last solo album to 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AxlsFavoriteRose Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 not sure if i should post this here, if it's not allowed please remove. sad news about Tony Iommi http://www.metaltalk.net/news2016sg/2016753.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Rock icon Tony Iommi has written a special piece of music for Birmingham Cathedral after he wanted to "give something back" to his home city. The BLACK SABBATH lead guitarist, widely credited with creating the heavy metal music genre, worked with his friend the Dean of Birmingham, the Very Reverend Catherine Ogle, on the five-minute-long arrangement, which features lyrics performed by Birmingham Cathedral Choir. Called "How Good It Is", the song features the BLACK SABBATH star on acoustic guitar, with lyrics inspired by Psalm 133. Edited January 28, 2017 by Silent Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Longtime Black Sabbath keyboardist Geoff Nicholls, who was a member of the band between 1979 and 2004, passed away today following a battle with lung cancer. He was 68. Mr. Nicholls performed on a total of 10 Sabbath albums, ranging from 1980's "Heaven and Hell" to 1995's "Forbidden." The musician was reportedly in remission from cancer, but succumbed to the side effects of chemotherapy. Tony Iommi stated: "I'm so saddened to hear the loss of one of my dearest and closest friends Geoff Nicholls. He's been suffering for a while now with lung cancer and he lost his battle this morning. Geoff and I have always been very close and he has been a real true friend to me and supported me all the way for nearly 40 years. I will miss him dearly and he will live in my heart until we meet again. Rest in peace, my dear friend." Geezer Butler added: "Very sad to hear of old friend and Sabbath keyboard player Geoff Nicholls passing. RIP Geoff." Tony Martin stated: "Saddened to hear of the passing of Geoff Nicholls ... keyboard player and friend from Sabbath .... Safe journey mate." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Geoff was an immeasurable asset on the 80's albums, especially the first three Tony Martin albums (Frig off @Black Sabbath, they're still Sabbath albums). Sad news indeed. RIP Geoff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Even though I highly doubt it, it'll be interesting to see if they play anything extra/different at the last show. They did add Under The Sun back into the setlist that last few shows, so that's pretty cool. Sorry, @Powerage5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Black Sabbath said: Even though I highly doubt it, it'll be interesting to see if they play anything extra/different at the last show. They did add Under The Sun back into the setlist that last few shows, so that's pretty cool. Sorry, @Powerage5. Under The Sun is to me what TWAT is to @Amir. I'm just destined to never see it live 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Last thing you want is them to play on their final show/s is a bunch of songs that Ozzy has little chance of performing well. Yeah, I wanna hear Symptom Of The Universe, Killing Yourself To Live and the like as much as the next but trying to sing those songs will just about kill Ozzy and it won't sound good. A nice, long instrumental medley would be what I'd suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm not even necessarily suggesting those, but the setlist from the O2 Academy in 2012 was nearly perfect. Add one or two songs from '13' as well as actually playing Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and it's even better. http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/black-sabbath/2012/o2-academy-birmingham-england-43df93a7.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Black Sabbath said: I'm not even necessarily suggesting those, but the setlist from the O2 Academy in 2012 was nearly perfect. Add one or two songs from '13' as well as actually playing Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and it's even better. http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/black-sabbath/2012/o2-academy-birmingham-england-43df93a7.html Agreed about the O2 Academy - by far the best setlist since the first reunion (Barring every Heaven & Hell setlist, of course ). If I saw a show with that set, I'd be extremely happy, regardless of performance quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 No more Black Sabbath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Silent Jay said: No more Black Sabbath 'Till the re-re-reunion tour of 2020. Out of interest, what was the last show with Bill Ward? I'd have rather have seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 7 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: 'Till the re-re-reunion tour of 2020. Out of interest, what was the last show with Bill Ward? I'd have rather have seen that. They won't tour again. Bill's last show with them was September 4th, 2005. Aside from them not playing The Wizard on this tour, the setlists were much better this tour than they were then. They were pretty on-point in 2005 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 14 hours ago, Silent Jay said: No more Black Sabbath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said: They won't tour again. Bill's last show with them was September 4th, 2005. Aside from them not playing The Wizard on this tour, the setlists were much better this tour than they were then. They were pretty on-point in 2005 though. I agree that they won't tour again, but I don't think they've played their last ever show. 2005 was by and large better than anything in the current reunion era IMO. Setlists were maybe a little better this tour, but the performances were far better in 2005. As far as setlists go though, the Birmingham 2012 shows is, bar none, the best Ozzy-era Sabbath setlist ever played. I saw the band in 2005, 2014, and 2016. 2005 was the best show, 2014 was the worst, and 2016 was somewhere in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Well naturally they (Ozzy) was better 12 years ago, but honestly I think Ozzy has done a great job on this tour all things considered. He's certainly sounded worse for no good reason (i.e. not sick, just bad), but the performances I've been watching here and there the last few weeks I've thought he's sounded pretty good, and that's not just the fan-boy talking. If I can admit when Axl sounds like trash, I can admit when Ozzy does too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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