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Anti-Semitic display at Roger Waters concert

Pig-shaped balloon with Star of David alongside fascist symbols released during British musician's concert in Belgium. I really love his music, says Israeli viewer, 'but this time he crossed the line

Eldad Beck

On Saturday night, Israelis were among those who attended a British musician and former Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters concert in Belgium. Even as Waters is a known activist pushing for the boycott of Israel, Israelis were still amazed to see that the show included a blatantly anti-Semitic display.

Toward its end, a black balloon in the shape of a wild pig was released to the sky, on it a Star of David, in the company of symbols of dictatorial organizations and regimes from around the world.

Open Letter

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Op-ed: British musician should try to understand true complexity of Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Full op-ed

Rogers concert took place as part of the music festival in the city of Werchter, and it opened his European tour. Next to the Star of David, on the wild pig balloon, there was also a sign of oil conglomerate Shell, and a graffiti message stating, Everything will be okay, just keep consuming, and Whats wrong with people?

I came to the concert because I really like his music, without any connection to his political stance toward Israel, says Alon Onfus Asif, an Israeli living in Belgium. And I had a lot of fun, until I noticed the Star of David, on the inflatable pig. That was the only religious-national symbol which appeared among other symbols for fascism, dictatorships and oppression of people. Waters crossed the line and gave expression to an anti-Semitic message, beyond all his messages of anti-militancy.

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EDIT: Just separated the text below since it was my comment not in the article.

This after the boycott of Israel of the EU. The backlash against Waters is just starting but is his message effective or insensitive?

To me, he is a very intelligent man of strong convictions and has written a good part of the soundtrack of my life. Love him longtime!

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i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.

Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.

Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks :lol:

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i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.

Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.

I couldn't agree more with this.

Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks :lol:

But fuck you for this Lenny! <_<:P
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i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.

Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.

Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks :lol:

Definitely.

And apart from The Wall, I agree about Pink Floyd.

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Sometimes its hard to make a point especially on that subject, people are scared into remaining silent by the threat of being labeled an anti-semite. How else do you do it when its so taboo to even talk about it?

The star of David is a symbol of Judaism, not just the state of Israel, it's an attack on the faith with the pig thing specifically, it's a specific attack on the aspect of the faith that forbids pork and not the just the nation, it has nothing to do with criticising Israel being taboo, one thing is a totally different thing to the other, the half moon and star are a symbol of Islam but they are also on the Pakistani flag, if you put the half moon and star on a pig it's gonna enrage muslims on the whole, not just Pakistanis.

I'm not necessarily saying he did it as a wholly anti-semetic act, it could just've been a not very well thought out thing but thats not the fault of the person interpreting it as anti-semetic, is it, what else are they supposed to think?

Good for him. People need to grow some balls and stop being so sensitive and politically correct.

You really don't understand what political correctness means at all, do you?

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The star of David is a symbol of Judaism, not just the state of Israel, it's an attack on the faith with the pig thing specifically.

The Star of David is on the Israeli national flag so there's no way he could have referred to said flag without it being displayed. Also I don't think the pig thing is quite what it's being made out to be here. The inflatable pig is a staple at his concerts just as it has been at Floyd concerts for years before. Unfortunate maybe but I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to have a dig at Jews about pork.

This is the cover of Animals by Floyd. Released in 1977.

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The star of David is a symbol of Judaism, not just the state of Israel, it's an attack on the faith with the pig thing specifically.

The Star of David is on the Israeli national flag so there's no way he could have referred to said flag without it being displayed. Also I don't think the pig thing is quite what it's being made out to be here. The inflatable pig is a staple at his concerts just as it has been at Floyd concerts for years before. Unfortunate maybe but I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to have a dig at Jews about pork.

So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? :shrugs:

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i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.

Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.

Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks :lol:

They're better than the Sex Pistols that's for damn sure.

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i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.

Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.

Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks :lol:

They're better than the Sex Pistols that's for damn sure.

Hello Miser. You have a small willy. That is all.

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So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? :shrugs:

I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. :lol:

I get what you mean too, thats why my post had that 'it might just've been a not very well thought out idea' bit but then at the same time, if you ain't got the mental wherewithal to suss that kind of obvious shit out perhaps it'd be a good idea to leave this sort of protest to people who are good at it i.e. can actually make the point they're trying to make instead narking off an entire race inadvertedly :lol:

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Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum.

The Sex Pistols biggest fan :lol:

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So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? :shrugs:

I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. :lol:

I get what you mean too, thats why my post had that 'it might just've been a not very well thought out idea' bit but then at the same time, if you ain't got the mental wherewithal to suss that kind of obvious shit out perhaps it'd be a good idea to leave this sort of protest to people who are good at it i.e. can actually make the point they're trying to make instead narking off an entire race inadvertedly :lol:
Or leave the rest of the wronguns on the pig and get an inflatable giraffe for the Jews? :lol:
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I think you have your symbols confused

Pink Floyd have used Pigs for ages, its more a symbol of pink floyd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd_pigs

what's its symbolic of?

The Magen David (shield of David, or as it is more commonly known, the Star of David) is the symbol most commonly associated with Judaism today, but it is actually a relatively new Jewish symbol.

The Magen David gained popularity as a symbol of Judaism when it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897

I'm sure they have used pigs for ages, it's not the pig thats the issue it's the co-joining of it with the star of David.

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I think you have your symbols confused

Pink Floyd have used Pigs for ages, its more a symbol of pink floyd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd_pigs

what's its symbolic of?

The Magen David (shield of David, or as it is more commonly known, the Star of David) is the symbol most commonly associated with Judaism today, but it is actually a relatively new Jewish symbol.

The Magen David gained popularity as a symbol of Judaism when it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/star.html

But the Jews aren't really Jews anyway, right?

The Star of David has been a Jewish symbol since at least 1008 AD.

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Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum.

No you've not.

Ok whatever- that's basically all I've seen you and sugaraylen say on here- from what I gather- apparently anytime anyone says something you don't like you say they're Miser. Anyway its time to manage my ignore pref's I guess. I hope you find this Miser character so that you can finally find some peace. Peace.

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So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? :shrugs:

I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. :lol:

I get what you mean too, thats why my post had that 'it might just've been a not very well thought out idea' bit but then at the same time, if you ain't got the mental wherewithal to suss that kind of obvious shit out perhaps it'd be a good idea to leave this sort of protest to people who are good at it i.e. can actually make the point they're trying to make instead narking off an entire race inadvertedly :lol:
Or leave the rest of the wronguns on the pig and get an inflatable giraffe for the Jews? :lol:

Exactly, see, now that'd be less offensive in the previous vein, the vast majority of the animal kingdom is there to be utilised :lol:

so what does the pig represent?

Swine? Its immatierial what it represents or whether it's meant to represent anything, whats obvious is that it is a representation of a pig which is never gonna sit well with jewish folks.

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Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum.

No you've not.

Ok whatever- that's basically all I've seen you and sugaraylen say on here- from what I gather- apparently anytime anyone says something you don't like you say they're Miser. Anyway its time to manage my ignore pref's I guess. I hope you find this Miser character so that you can finally find some peace. Peace.
Shut up Miser. :lol: Edited by Dazey
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