ohlovelyrita Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4409388,00.html Anti-Semitic display at Roger Waters concert Pig-shaped balloon with Star of David alongside fascist symbols released during British musician's concert in Belgium. I really love his music, says Israeli viewer, 'but this time he crossed the line Eldad Beck On Saturday night, Israelis were among those who attended a British musician and former Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters concert in Belgium. Even as Waters is a known activist pushing for the boycott of Israel, Israelis were still amazed to see that the show included a blatantly anti-Semitic display. Toward its end, a black balloon in the shape of a wild pig was released to the sky, on it a Star of David, in the company of symbols of dictatorial organizations and regimes from around the world. Open Letter A word to Roger Waters / Lilac Sigan Op-ed: British musician should try to understand true complexity of Israeli-Palestinian conflict Full op-ed Rogers concert took place as part of the music festival in the city of Werchter, and it opened his European tour. Next to the Star of David, on the wild pig balloon, there was also a sign of oil conglomerate Shell, and a graffiti message stating, Everything will be okay, just keep consuming, and Whats wrong with people? I came to the concert because I really like his music, without any connection to his political stance toward Israel, says Alon Onfus Asif, an Israeli living in Belgium. And I had a lot of fun, until I noticed the Star of David, on the inflatable pig. That was the only religious-national symbol which appeared among other symbols for fascism, dictatorships and oppression of people. Waters crossed the line and gave expression to an anti-Semitic message, beyond all his messages of anti-militancy. ---- EDIT: Just separated the text below since it was my comment not in the article. This after the boycott of Israel of the EU. The backlash against Waters is just starting but is his message effective or insensitive? To me, he is a very intelligent man of strong convictions and has written a good part of the soundtrack of my life. Love him longtime! Edited July 25, 2013 by ohlovelyrita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I think he has a point. The Israelis have become everything they have hated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks Edited July 25, 2013 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot. Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.I couldn't agree more with this. Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks But fuck you for this Lenny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks Definitely. And apart from The Wall, I agree about Pink Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Good for him. People need to grow some balls and stop being so sensitive and politically correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Sometimes its hard to make a point especially on that subject, people are scared into remaining silent by the threat of being labeled an anti-semite. How else do you do it when its so taboo to even talk about it?The star of David is a symbol of Judaism, not just the state of Israel, it's an attack on the faith with the pig thing specifically, it's a specific attack on the aspect of the faith that forbids pork and not the just the nation, it has nothing to do with criticising Israel being taboo, one thing is a totally different thing to the other, the half moon and star are a symbol of Islam but they are also on the Pakistani flag, if you put the half moon and star on a pig it's gonna enrage muslims on the whole, not just Pakistanis.I'm not necessarily saying he did it as a wholly anti-semetic act, it could just've been a not very well thought out thing but thats not the fault of the person interpreting it as anti-semetic, is it, what else are they supposed to think?Good for him. People need to grow some balls and stop being so sensitive and politically correct.You really don't understand what political correctness means at all, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) The star of David is a symbol of Judaism, not just the state of Israel, it's an attack on the faith with the pig thing specifically.The Star of David is on the Israeli national flag so there's no way he could have referred to said flag without it being displayed. Also I don't think the pig thing is quite what it's being made out to be here. The inflatable pig is a staple at his concerts just as it has been at Floyd concerts for years before. Unfortunate maybe but I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to have a dig at Jews about pork.This is the cover of Animals by Floyd. Released in 1977. Edited July 25, 2013 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The star of David is a symbol of Judaism, not just the state of Israel, it's an attack on the faith with the pig thing specifically.The Star of David is on the Israeli national flag so there's no way he could have referred to said flag without it being displayed. Also I don't think the pig thing is quite what it's being made out to be here. The inflatable pig is a staple at his concerts just as it has been at Floyd concerts for years before. Unfortunate maybe but I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to have a dig at Jews about pork.So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Manner Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks They're better than the Sex Pistols that's for damn sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 i don't think he has a point, if you have a point to make yourself (not you, i mean Waters) then make it in a clear and respectful manner, there's no need to do stuff like that, thats just cheap and unclassy and stupid. I ain't exactly the biggest supporter of Israel or Palestine but that sort of thing is just foul, you don't need to resort to those sorts of cheap tactics if you actually have a point it will speak and stand for itself, its just pathetic, a real cheap-shot.Whether you believe what Israel are doing is right or wrong is what it is but by doing that you've just basically had a dig at every single jewish person on the planet and believe it or not, they don't all support what Israel are doing in Palestine and even if they do they do not deserve to be attacked in this manner.Also, Pink Floyd are a load of fuckin' bollocks They're better than the Sex Pistols that's for damn sure. Hello Miser. You have a small willy. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 They're better than the Sex Pistols that's for damn sure. Thanks for your contribution again Miser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Manner Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. I get what you mean too, thats why my post had that 'it might just've been a not very well thought out idea' bit but then at the same time, if you ain't got the mental wherewithal to suss that kind of obvious shit out perhaps it'd be a good idea to leave this sort of protest to people who are good at it i.e. can actually make the point they're trying to make instead narking off an entire race inadvertedly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum. No you've not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum. The Sex Pistols biggest fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. I get what you mean too, thats why my post had that 'it might just've been a not very well thought out idea' bit but then at the same time, if you ain't got the mental wherewithal to suss that kind of obvious shit out perhaps it'd be a good idea to leave this sort of protest to people who are good at it i.e. can actually make the point they're trying to make instead narking off an entire race inadvertedly Or leave the rest of the wronguns on the pig and get an inflatable giraffe for the Jews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Because you are Miser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I think you have your symbols confusedPink Floyd have used Pigs for ages, its more a symbol of pink floyd.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd_pigswhat's its symbolic of?The Magen David (shield of David, or as it is more commonly known, the Star of David) is the symbol most commonly associated with Judaism today, but it is actually a relatively new Jewish symbol.The Magen David gained popularity as a symbol of Judaism when it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897I'm sure they have used pigs for ages, it's not the pig thats the issue it's the co-joining of it with the star of David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) I think you have your symbols confusedPink Floyd have used Pigs for ages, its more a symbol of pink floyd.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd_pigswhat's its symbolic of?The Magen David (shield of David, or as it is more commonly known, the Star of David) is the symbol most commonly associated with Judaism today, but it is actually a relatively new Jewish symbol.The Magen David gained popularity as a symbol of Judaism when it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/star.htmlBut the Jews aren't really Jews anyway, right?The Star of David has been a Jewish symbol since at least 1008 AD. Edited July 25, 2013 by TygerStryke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Manner Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum. No you've not.Ok whatever- that's basically all I've seen you and sugaraylen say on here- from what I gather- apparently anytime anyone says something you don't like you say they're Miser. Anyway its time to manage my ignore pref's I guess. I hope you find this Miser character so that you can finally find some peace. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) So then figure out another way to refer to the state of Israel? I'm not saying it wasn't a dickhead thing to do. I'm just being a pedant for the sake of pedantry. I get what you mean too, thats why my post had that 'it might just've been a not very well thought out idea' bit but then at the same time, if you ain't got the mental wherewithal to suss that kind of obvious shit out perhaps it'd be a good idea to leave this sort of protest to people who are good at it i.e. can actually make the point they're trying to make instead narking off an entire race inadvertedly Or leave the rest of the wronguns on the pig and get an inflatable giraffe for the Jews? Exactly, see, now that'd be less offensive in the previous vein, the vast majority of the animal kingdom is there to be utilised so what does the pig represent?Swine? Its immatierial what it represents or whether it's meant to represent anything, whats obvious is that it is a representation of a pig which is never gonna sit well with jewish folks. Edited July 25, 2013 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/walker-alicia-israel.htmlThis is about a half hour long, but around 15 minutes, he starts bringing Israel & Palestine up. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/roger-waters-reconsidering-israel-boycott-stance-20130416https://www.facebook.com/notes/roger-waters-the-wall/a-note-from-roger-april-19-2013/635662626448191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Who the f is Miser? I've seen about 50 different people accused of being Miser since I've joined this forum. No you've not. Ok whatever- that's basically all I've seen you and sugaraylen say on here- from what I gather- apparently anytime anyone says something you don't like you say they're Miser. Anyway its time to manage my ignore pref's I guess. I hope you find this Miser character so that you can finally find some peace. Peace.Shut up Miser. Edited July 25, 2013 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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