Rumor So GNR Handed Over A New Album in 2010?

[tinyrobot]

Who the fuck, in 2010, in the music business, rejects a GNR album?

It is necessary to understand that ChiDem was a flop because of the expectations that surrounded. From a regular standpoint, it sold well above the average record. As anything with the GNR/Axl Rose Label would: if Axl literally records himself taking dumps for a month and releases a double album it will sell.

LOL... anyone who is not in this forum obsessing about GN'R 24/7.

Normal people out there think GN'R is a bunch of bullshit without SLASH.

It could also be because the album sucked..... chances are big. hello.

ChinDem was a flop because it had no fucking promotion OTHER THAN Axl Rose coming to some unknown forums lost in the DEEP WEB (LOL) to talk to obsessive fans. No fucking single, no video, no nothing.... And it's not like the album didn't have awsome tracks. It did! but I don't know what the hell...... it was the most awaited album for a decade, in the media and die-hard fans planet but not by the rest of humanity.

Maybe Axl thought it would sell itself, but after so much time, most people forgot who the fuck GN'R are and when finding out there was no Slash on it, most people said ok, fuck it.

I don't think Axl's fart album would sell anything nowadays. Back in 1993, when he was a major turn on for women and men equally, YES. But youth and beauty are long gone.

[D-GenerationX]

Listen, MSL clearly makes GNR part of his personal marketing, but very few of his musings have not been proven right. The only major failing I can recall is when he tried to flog 'the 1999 version of Appetite' (which actually seemed to be manipulated versions of Live Era).

Go back to 2011, and you had MSL discussing the notion of Duff replacing Tommy. At the time, everyone found such an idea to be out of the realm of possibility. But what happened in April of this year?

LOL. Seriously?

If Tommy left the band, who would be the obvious choice to replace him? How is it a stretch to say Duff? The guy has played with GnR live a couple times, including opening for GnR. Duff's solo career is pretty mediocre. VR hasn't done anything in years. If the news came out today that Tommy left, 93.74% of rock fans first question would be "Is Duff coming back?" So to hint at that is no big revolution. Duff is the most logical and obvious choice of all the old guys if one of them came back to GnR.

And what happened in April of this year? Duff filled in for a handful of shows. To somehow tie that together as to prove anything is a HUGE stretch. Huge.

Yeah, agreed.

[Pedrolg]

Who the fuck, in 2010, in the music business, rejects a GNR album?

It is necessary to understand that ChiDem was a flop because of the expectations that surrounded. From a regular standpoint, it sold well above the average record. As anything with the GNR/Axl Rose Label would: if Axl literally records himself taking dumps for a month and releases a double album it will sell.

LOL... anyone who is not in this forum obsessing about GN'R 24/7.

Normal people out there think GN'R is a bunch of bullshit without SLASH.

It could also be because the album sucked..... chances are big. hello.

ChinDem was a flop because it had no fucking promotion OTHER THAN Axl Rose coming to some unknown forums lost in the DEEP WEB (LOL) to talk to obsessive fans. No fucking single, no video, no nothing.... And it's not like the album didn't have awsome tracks. It did! but I don't know what the hell...... it was the most awaited album for a decade, in the media and die-hard fans planet but not by the rest of humanity.

Maybe Axl thought it would sell itself, but after so much time, most people forgot who the fuck GN'R are and when finding out there was no Slash on it, most people said ok, fuck it.

I don't think Axl's fart album would sell anything nowadays. Back in 1993, when he was a major turn on for women and men equally, YES. But youth and beauty are long gone.

I don't know about that. Judging by the physique, I'd be willing to bet that 2014 Axl soundly outfarts 93 Axl anytime. More rasp and consistency.

[D-GenerationX]

Who the fuck, in 2010, in the music business, rejects a GNR album?

It is necessary to understand that ChiDem was a flop because of the expectations that surrounded. From a regular standpoint, it sold well above the average record. As anything with the GNR/Axl Rose Label would: if Axl literally records himself taking dumps for a month and releases a double album it will sell.

And they already paid for the work to be done. Why shelf it intentionally? Spite??

I don't think the label gives Axl much thought, to be honest. I know some like to believe they go out of their way to mess with him. I think he's out of sight, out of mind.

But if he turned in an album, its getting released. Let's be serious.

[Gordon Comstock]

IF a record were turned in, how do we know it wasn't just the Chinese Democracy remixes? We know there was a plan to re-release CD, possibly with those remixes... It's not hard to believe the label would turn that down at all. The original CD is overloading the bargain bins, why would they add more?

There were rumors he turned an album into the label in 2006/7 too. Maybe that ended up being CD? Lots of people have talked about record execs "trying to make [the record] better" and delaying it after Axl thought it was done. Then he was told to tweak one thing, spent too long tweaking, repeated that process a few times and by the time everything was ready to go, the tracklist had been decided by the leaks and songs that may have once been "finished" (like Atlas) are now partially tweaked "demos" that are too exhausting for Axl to start again.

That's a shame.

Edited May 19, 2014 by RickRoses

[D-GenerationX]

Yeah, that remix talk never made any sense to me. Where was the market for that?

[Gordon Comstock]

Yeah, that remix talk never made any sense to me. Where was the market for that?

That's why I kinda believe the rumor, if that's indeed what he handed in. I'd be surprised if any label accepted Blood In The Water and Better Gone, but we know Axl wanted them out at some point. It would've been nice to get that raspy TIL though...

How many more albums does GnR owe the label? If it's only one I could honestly see them turning down a new record and holding out for something with Slash on it. Even if it's unreleased Illusions stuff or something.

[Coma16]

The remix album (with a few new bonus tracks) was more of a 2011 thing.

[wasted]

It would be helpful if Axl tried explaining it, then again this is the guy who played Chinese Democracy in a strip club yet didn't bother promoting it when it was released then eventually decided to dump what must've took five hours to write's worth of information regarding fan specific questions... he's a can of extremes alright.

Axls rep precedes him for sure and I guess there's a reason for it. But in those cases he thought strip club was more secure than it was. On release of CD Azzof had tried book a reunion and not organised promo or a tour to support. They booked that Asia tour themselves. I guess the chats were really the promo he could do. What he said prior and after wasn't that positive. Waffling on about how this is our best record yet probably wouldn't make much difference.

[wasted]

I think that post about an album being handed in with stipulations is very possible imo

Possibly the remixes some people heard, with maybe other CD era tracks like Atlas or General. As part of a reissue of CD. Labels response not enough time.

Zutaut gave his reason for failing as there was no big single. That's why Jimmy got RTB. After RTB Axl was ready to mix. They brought in Ezrin who said no. These guys were just looking for a pay check maybe? And they have been right. That might rock Axls confidence.

If you put it all on Axl then was 06 Better a turning point. Suddenly he got a great response to a song.

04 seems like the year where Axl should have let go. I guess the ultimatum wasn't received well.

Anyway GH sold better than CD so that gave the label what they wanted.

[John Bonham]

I think NGOG is a double agent working for MSL.

Very few of my musings have not been proven right.

[Crash Diet]

I think NGOG is a double agent working for MSL.

Very few of my musings have not been proven right.

Funny MSL said this too

I actually believe him on the 2010 album theory

Edited May 20, 2014 by Crash Diet

[highvoltage]

Listen, MSL clearly makes GNR part of his personal marketing, but very few of his musings have not been proven right. The only major failing I can recall is when he tried to flog 'the 1999 version of Appetite' (which actually seemed to be manipulated versions of Live Era).

Go back to 2011, and you had MSL discussing the notion of Duff replacing Tommy. At the time, everyone found such an idea to be out of the realm of possibility. But what happened in April of this year?

What about when he lied about where he got his copy of Red Hand?

He tried to make out like he got it through his "connections", but he really just bought it on eBay. When someone (downliner) called him out on it, he asked us to delete the thread to cover it up.

EDIT: My bad, williambailey called him out: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/188910-fs-chinese-democracy-cover-c-how-are-you-grenade-version/?p=3144735

[yourcrazy]

Unfortunately they are done in the US. I hate to admit it, but besides us hardcores, nobody cares anymore. He completely ruined any chances of being big again here. Had CD come out in 99 and properly promoted it and had a couple subsequent follow ups, the story would be vastly different. This was really apparent at Rock on the Range. Just look at the US billboard charts. Unless it's country there is no good music on it. Everything else is computer generated record label contrived BS. He waited too long and now is viewed as a lunatic who f upd GnR.

Edited May 20, 2014 by yourcrazy

[Coma16]

Unfortunately they are done in the US. I hate to admit it, but besides us hardcores, nobody cares anymore. He completely ruined any chances of being big again here. Had CD come out in 99 and properly protest it and had a couple subsequent follow ups, the story would be vastly different. This was really apparent at Rock on the Range. Just look at the US billboard charts. Unless it's country there is no good music on it. Everything else is computer generated record label contrive BS. He waited too long and now is viewed as a lunatic who f upd GnR.

I wonder how many attendees from the recent sold out Bethlehem show were part of us hard-cores.

[Rodzilla72]

Unfortunately they are done in the US. I hate to admit it, but besides us hardcores, nobody cares anymore. He completely ruined any chances of being big again here. Had CD come out in 99 and properly protest it and had a couple subsequent follow ups, the story would be vastly different. This was really apparent at Rock on the Range. Just look at the US billboard charts. Unless it's country there is no good music on it. Everything else is computer generated record label contrive BS. He waited too long and now is viewed as a lunatic who f upd GnR.

I wonder how many attendees from the recent sold out Bethlehem show were part of us hard-cores.

I think the point here is the capacity of venues such as the Sands® Casino Resort Bethlehem Event Center (about 3,500) or the Joint in Vegas (4000ish) vs. the American football stadiums and 20,000 seat arenas of the UYI era...

[Coma16]

Unfortunately they are done in the US. I hate to admit it, but besides us hardcores, nobody cares anymore. He completely ruined any chances of being big again here. Had CD come out in 99 and properly protest it and had a couple subsequent follow ups, the story would be vastly different. This was really apparent at Rock on the Range. Just look at the US billboard charts. Unless it's country there is no good music on it. Everything else is computer generated record label contrive BS. He waited too long and now is viewed as a lunatic who f upd GnR.

I wonder how many attendees from the recent sold out Bethlehem show were part of us hard-cores.

I think the point here is the capacity of venues such as the Sands® Casino Resort Bethlehem Event Center (about 3,500) or the Joint in Vegas (4000ish) vs. the American football stadiums and 20,000 seat arenas of the UYI era...

So we're going with that there are about 3000-4000 hardcore fans in each small US city then?

[Guest NGOG]

Listen, MSL clearly makes GNR part of his personal marketing, but very few of his musings have not been proven right. The only major failing I can recall is when he tried to flog 'the 1999 version of Appetite' (which actually seemed to be manipulated versions of Live Era).

Go back to 2011, and you had MSL discussing the notion of Duff replacing Tommy. At the time, everyone found such an idea to be out of the realm of possibility. But what happened in April of this year?

What about when he lied about where he got his copy of Red Hand?

He tried to make out like he got it through his "connections", but he really just bought it on eBay. When someone (downliner) called him out on it, he asked us to delete the thread to cover it up.

EDIT: My bad, williambailey called him out: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/188910-fs-chinese-democracy-cover-c-how-are-you-grenade-version/?p=3144735

The Truthers send their regards. *reveals chainmail, and stabs HV*

[Young_Gun]

MSL just spews fabrications.

[John Bonham]

MSL just spews fabrications.

False. That's not all he spews.

[Rodzilla72]

Unfortunately they are done in the US. I hate to admit it, but besides us hardcores, nobody cares anymore. He completely ruined any chances of being big again here. Had CD come out in 99 and properly protest it and had a couple subsequent follow ups, the story would be vastly different. This was really apparent at Rock on the Range. Just look at the US billboard charts. Unless it's country there is no good music on it. Everything else is computer generated record label contrive BS. He waited too long and now is viewed as a lunatic who f upd GnR.

I wonder how many attendees from the recent sold out Bethlehem show were part of us hard-cores.

I think the point here is the capacity of venues such as the Sands® Casino Resort Bethlehem Event Center (about 3,500) or the Joint in Vegas (4000ish) vs. the American football stadiums and 20,000 seat arenas of the UYI era...

So we're going with that there are about 3000-4000 hardcore fans in each small US city then?

I don't know about that- a lot of people drive several hours to these shows... so maybe 3-4k hardcore fans within a good-sized radius of each small US city?

[SALonghorn]

You're right. Unfortunately, country music is the only real type of music on the charts these days. 'Real type of music' as defined by music created by actual instruments. And even country music can be 90% made up of song-writing-factory machine, meaning few singers actually write their songs. Country music's biggest names did this like Faith Hill, Martina McBride, and even the great George Strait.

I think the record companies see rock bands as potential GNR bands, not in terms of music style, but risk. Would a record label prefer to cash in with an artist they can control like Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, or even Beyoncé. When the music takes a backseat to easy sales and image making. True rock bands come with a lot of risk of flaming out, burning out, or simply not listening to their record label.

Why would a record label choose that path over 100% full control? IMO, this is the real reason rock music has declined in the mainstream.

[D-GenerationX]

Listen, MSL clearly makes GNR part of his personal marketing, but very few of his musings have not been proven right. The only major failing I can recall is when he tried to flog 'the 1999 version of Appetite' (which actually seemed to be manipulated versions of Live Era).

Go back to 2011, and you had MSL discussing the notion of Duff replacing Tommy. At the time, everyone found such an idea to be out of the realm of possibility. But what happened in April of this year?

What about when he lied about where he got his copy of Red Hand?

He tried to make out like he got it through his "connections", but he really just bought it on eBay. When someone (downliner) called him out on it, he asked us to delete the thread to cover it up.

EDIT: My bad, williambailey called him out: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/188910-fs-chinese-democracy-cover-c-how-are-you-grenade-version/?p=3144735

This is pretty damning, right here.

[dalsh327]

Anyone got a calculator?

Is GNR making more money playing 3500 seaters now, or when they filled arenas in 1991-1993?

Just because someone hires out for a songwriter, doesn't make it assembly line, they just have a knack for songwriting, don't Dave Kushner and James Michael do a lot of songwriting for a variety of people?

[RichardNixon]

Edited May 20, 2014 by RichardNixon