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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/sebastian-bach-and-jon-bon-jovi-end-decades-long-hair-metal-feud/

Sorry if this is old news but I just came across this.

I thought there was a feud between Axl & Jon Bon Jovi. And now they're sipping wine together in a f'n restaurant?

Is there something I missed?

Yes, you obviously missed this story the first time it came around ;).

But yeah, they are BFF now.

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Maybe this has something to do with Bon Jovi and Sambora parting ways *L* Jon looked into Axl's eyes, fell into a hypnotic state, and left the table going "Richie is a cancer....must cut him out...."

I mean, after 30 years, Richie's just out of the band like that??

It's Axl, I tell ya.

There was never a "beef" between Bon Jovi and Guns. That was just up and coming band making the biggest band at the time a target.

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A couple brains almost exploded on the forum when this story was originally released.

After a decade of hating JBJ specifically because of one sentence from Axl in a concert..........opinions of JBJ had to be imediately changed once they heard that Axl was hanging out with him!!!

Kind of how like Axl die-hards praised the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame........until Axl dissed it, then they had to change their opinion and hate it.

I hate to see whats going to happen if Axl and Slash ever make up, or if Axl comes out and admits that he was to blame and not Slash. Some posters on here might not be able to handle it.

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A couple brains almost exploded on the forum when this story was originally released.

After a decade of hating JBJ specifically because of one sentence from Axl in a concert..........opinions of JBJ had to be imediately changed once they heard that Axl was hanging out with him!!!

Kind of how like Axl die-hards praised the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame........until Axl dissed it, then they had to change their opinion and hate it.

I hate to see whats going to happen if Axl and Slash ever make up, or if Axl comes out and admits that he was to blame and not Slash. Some posters on here might not be able to handle it.

Bands have rivalries but it's par for the course, kind of like backing your favorite sports team, but as most musicians say, they've banged the same girls, slept in the same hotels, dealt with the same record companies that they find the old rivalry shit funny and can laugh about it. Sometimes the books and old videos perpetuate something that doesn't exist, but the fans still believe it.

The problem that happened with GNR was Axl would say stuff on stage that should have stayed backstage. I can't imagine what Mick and Keith made of GNR - but they needed them to guarantee a young fanbase because they were probably unsure where they stood with younger fans at the time.

I think when you look at the Roth/Van Halen feud and how they put it aside - it took almost a decade for things to be worked out, and even know there's no guarantee they're going to stay together. The VMAs screwed things up and Dave got caught up in the moment like it was 1984 all over again, he'd be the first to admit it felt like old times, but Eddie held back from telling him he already had a new singer in mind. He used Dave to sell the greatest hits, but if it was up to him, he would never have agreed to it.

It's only because Wolfgang was learning the classic VH stuff that Eddie changed his mind, but Eddie was asking a lot of people about whether or not he should. It's only when Ed was promoting the porn flick Sacred Sin that he produced on the Stern show that it came out that the reunion was going to happen.

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There was never a "beef" between Bon Jovi and Guns.

JBJ 2006

"You know what p**ses me off? I was reading this British rock magazine this month and there was a story about Axl Rose and the $13 million Guns N' Roses record that was never made. "That motherf**ker hasn't made a record in 13 years and he gets all that attention. You know what I've done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about the freak show aspect of him. Because he's a recluse. That makes him interesting, right?"

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There was never a "beef" between Bon Jovi and Guns.

JBJ 2006

"You know what p**ses me off? I was reading this British rock magazine this month and there was a story about Axl Rose and the $13 million Guns N' Roses record that was never made. "That motherf**ker hasn't made a record in 13 years and he gets all that attention. You know what I've done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about the freak show aspect of him. Because he's a recluse. That makes him interesting, right?"

That's more about the media giving a lot of attention to Axl when he speaks and the media ignoring Jon when his band has new music out. His records haven't sold all that well, he might have one hit off of them but they disappear off the charts pretty fast.

No one thought Bon Jovi in the early 90s was going to stick around the way they have, and they could have easily gone back to the clubs when Grunge happened.

Jon looks bad right now because his daughter OD'd and went on the road a few months later. Richie talks about some personal stuff going on and heads out to California to take care of the family, and then Richie's kicked out? They might as well try to work things out and do one more tour before throwing in the towel. 30 years is a hell of a run.

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There was never a "beef" between Bon Jovi and Guns.

JBJ 2006

"You know what p**ses me off? I was reading this British rock magazine this month and there was a story about Axl Rose and the $13 million Guns N' Roses record that was never made. "That motherf**ker hasn't made a record in 13 years and he gets all that attention. You know what I've done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about the freak show aspect of him. Because he's a recluse. That makes him interesting, right?"

That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

There are a couple of Jon/Sambora/Jovi songs that are in my favourites of all time e.g. Santa Fe, Something To Believe In, Stranger In This Town.....but the reality is that the reason Jon never got over with the critics is that lyrically and performance-wise he's an ultra-lite version of his hero Springsteen. They were the world's second greatest bar band after The Stones for a while and there's nothing wrong with stuff like Bad Medicine that made them world famous. But then Jon decided he wanted respect and since 2000 has been trying his hardest to be a 'story teller' and write social commentary, dial back the rock and the guitars, stop the showboating and posing, spend most of the show behind a mic stand with an acoustic guitar etc. And it hasn't worked because as hard as he tries, he's no Springsteen. The lyrics on his new solo album masquerading as a Jovi album are so utterly shockingly bad.

With Axl, despite the rock press disliking him immensely as a person, there was a huge expectation that he could potentially deliver something really great, and as far as i'm concerned he did. There Was A Time alone is worth more than virtually every song Jovi have put out since 2000.

So Jon can bitch all he wants but the reason Classic Rock and Kerrang were rating the Guns leaks as the best album of 2007 was because they were that damn good and exciting and the reason Jovi get 4/10 reviews is because they deserve them. In short, Axl's a true artist and Jon is comparably a hack with absolutely no voice left.

All that aside, i'd have been absolutely fascinated to know what they talked about. I asked Baz on his forum but got no response.

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There was never a "beef" between Bon Jovi and Guns.

JBJ 2006

"You know what p**ses me off? I was reading this British rock magazine this month and there was a story about Axl Rose and the $13 million Guns N' Roses record that was never made. "That motherf**ker hasn't made a record in 13 years and he gets all that attention. You know what I've done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about the freak show aspect of him. Because he's a recluse. That makes him interesting, right?"

That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

There are a couple of Jon/Sambora/Jovi songs that are in my favourites of all time e.g. Santa Fe, Something To Believe In, Stranger In This Town.....but the reality is that the reason Jon never got over with the critics is that lyrically and performance-wise he's an ultra-lite version of his hero Springsteen. They were the world's second greatest bar band after The Stones for a while and there's nothing wrong with stuff like Bad Medicine that made them world famous. But then Jon decided he wanted respect and since 2000 has been trying his hardest to be a 'story teller' and write social commentary, dial back the rock and the guitars, stop the showboating and posing, spend most of the show behind a mic stand with an acoustic guitar etc. And it hasn't worked because as hard as he tries, he's no Springsteen. The lyrics on his new solo album masquerading as a Jovi album are so utterly shockingly bad.

With Axl, despite the rock press disliking him immensely as a person, there was a huge expectation that he could potentially deliver something really great, and as far as i'm concerned he did. There Was A Time alone is worth more than virtually every song Jovi have put out since 2000.

So Jon can bitch all he wants but the reason Classic Rock and Kerrang were rating the Guns leaks as the best album of 2007 was because they were that damn good and exciting and the reason Jovi get 4/10 reviews is because they deserve them. In short, Axl's a true artist and Jon is comparably a hack with absolutely no voice left.

All that aside, i'd have been absolutely fascinated to know what they talked about. I asked Baz on his forum but got no response.

I completely agree with everything you said.

Now, if Bach can get Axl and Slash in the same room together, than we'll see how they'll really react to each-other. Many people seem to think they'll be a big fist fight or something to that affect, but I doubt it. I would hope it would end up with little conversation atleast, to try to beginning to the healing process of their friendship. Sure, Axl may seem bitter and angry, but he hasn't even talked to Slash for 17 years. Maybe actually talking to Slash face to face could make him be more calm. And that's all I really want is a reconciliation. Not a full blown reunion tour, not a new album with the old band, just two supposed enemy's being able to set their differences (and bitterness) aside and be friend's again. And it's not so much for me as I think it would be very good for Axl because all that bitterness and rage he has over Slash would be gone, which would make him more happier and in a much better place.

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That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

i think it depends on what you call "personal". it's like two world-views in conflict. there's a guy who works his ass off to make everything right, to be a good man and respectable musician, but all he gets is mockery and neglect cause he's just mediocre at best. and there's another guy who breaks all the rules and acts like he's the hub of the universe, and ppl love/hate him because of his talent and charisma. so there's no wonder the first guy just gets seriously pissed off and i'm sure it's personal.

and i think there was a "beef" between GNR and BJ in the 90s over Baz and Skid Row, when Baz suddenly became Axl's best friend and I can't imagine Axl not taking Baz's side in his clash with BJ. it just wasn't a public clash

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I completely agree with everything you said.

Now, if Bach can get Axl and Slash in the same room together, than we'll see how they'll really react to each-other. Many people seem to think they'll be a big fist fight or something to that affect, but I doubt it. I would hope it would end up with little conversation atleast, to try to beginning to the healing process of their friendship. Sure, Axl may seem bitter and angry, but he hasn't even talked to Slash for 17 years. Maybe actually talking to Slash face to face could make him be more calm. And that's all I really want is a reconciliation. Not a full blown reunion tour, not a new album with the old band, just two supposed enemy's being able to set their differences (and bitterness) aside and be friend's again. And it's not so much for me as I think it would be very good for Axl because all that bitterness and rage he has over Slash would be gone, which would make him more happier and in a much better place.

Absolutely. That's exactly what i've been trying to get at but you said it better. People keep going on about reunion possibilities and that isn't the point.

Axl needs to bury the hatchet with Slash for his own peace of mind and health. After that I think things would fall into place that would eventually please everyone.

Soul Monster questioned Canter's views when he hasn't spoken to Axl since 2007. What has changed since 2007 except that Axl sued Activision for putting Slash in Rock Band and sued Azoff for trying to create a reunion? He's one of only maybe 3 people who have had long conversations with both Axl and Slash between 1996 and 2007 about everything that went down.

He doesn't claim to have all the answers but his views make sense of so much of the conflicting info that's been put out there.

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There was never a "beef" between Bon Jovi and Guns.

JBJ 2006

"You know what p**ses me off? I was reading this British rock magazine this month and there was a story about Axl Rose and the $13 million Guns N' Roses record that was never made. "That motherf**ker hasn't made a record in 13 years and he gets all that attention. You know what I've done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about the freak show aspect of him. Because he's a recluse. That makes him interesting, right?"

That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

There are a couple of Jon/Sambora/Jovi songs that are in my favourites of all time e.g. Santa Fe, Something To Believe In, Stranger In This Town.....but the reality is that the reason Jon never got over with the critics is that lyrically and performance-wise he's an ultra-lite version of his hero Springsteen. They were the world's second greatest bar band after The Stones for a while and there's nothing wrong with stuff like Bad Medicine that made them world famous. But then Jon decided he wanted respect and since 2000 has been trying his hardest to be a 'story teller' and write social commentary, dial back the rock and the guitars, stop the showboating and posing, spend most of the show behind a mic stand with an acoustic guitar etc. And it hasn't worked because as hard as he tries, he's no Springsteen. The lyrics on his new solo album masquerading as a Jovi album are so utterly shockingly bad.

With Axl, despite the rock press disliking him immensely as a person, there was a huge expectation that he could potentially deliver something really great, and as far as i'm concerned he did. There Was A Time alone is worth more than virtually every song Jovi have put out since 2000.

So Jon can bitch all he wants but the reason Classic Rock and Kerrang were rating the Guns leaks as the best album of 2007 was because they were that damn good and exciting and the reason Jovi get 4/10 reviews is because they deserve them. In short, Axl's a true artist and Jon is comparably a hack with absolutely no voice left.

All that aside, i'd have been absolutely fascinated to know what they talked about. I asked Baz on his forum but got no response.

I agree with a lot in this post, especially with TWAT alone being better than all of what JBJ's put out in the latter half of his career. Moreover, whether JBJ is Axl's new BFF or not, I'll still think of him as someone whose music is for housewives (and maybe, once upon a time for younger women). However, I'm not sure if any Springsteen imitation from JBJ is entirely the result of a recent drive for respect. I remember hearing from an ex who was a huge JBJ fan that he first set out wanting to be another Bob Dylan, or something along those lines. Anyhow, back to JBJ and Axl - the only things that JBJ may have over Axl are maybe the long term stability he's enjoyed in his personal life and the fact that he's aged much better. Neither of which matter in a musical comparison between the two because (IMO) standing next to Axl, JBJ comes up to somewhere about his shoelaces. Yet, when I first heard this story back when it came out, it did seem cool to me that Axl didn't hold anything against Jon for those comments from a few years earlier. That and many other things go to show that he isn't the out-and-out grudge harboring caricature that many people make him out to be.

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That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

i think it depends on what you call "personal". it's like two world-views in conflict. there's a guy who works his ass off to make everything right, to be a good man and respectable musician, but all he gets is mockery and neglect cause he's just mediocre at best. and there's another guy who breaks all the rules and acts like he's the hub of the universe, and ppl love/hate him because of his talent and charisma. so there's no wonder the first guy just gets seriously pissed off and i'm sure it's personal.

and i think there was a "beef" between GNR and BJ in the 90s over Baz and Skid Row, when Baz suddenly became Axl's best friend and I can't imagine Axl not taking Baz's side in his clash with BJ. it just wasn't a public clash

If you go to 2:52, Baz goes into what led to them falling out. 2:11 has a GNR question.

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Lol. I'm sure with millions in the bank, living like a king, millions of fans, selling out concerts....I'm sure JBJ is sitting at home foaming at the mouth over Axl and his career. The way you people over hype ONE comment from people is hilarious.

He was talking with a reporter, answered a question honestly, and then moved on to the next question.

Does it bother him that somebody he didn't respect (or at least didn't respect his actions) got so much glory? Probably so. I bet you'd find a LOT of mainstream artists that you all respect on here that feel the same way JBJ did. But does he sit around and moan and cry and base his life around it? For pete's sakes, no.

You guys sit on the forum and act like Axl hates JBJ and that JBJ's life has been ruined by his jealousy of Axl's career. Meanwhile, the two guys are friendly enough to each other to have dinner together. Bunch of drama queens on here.

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That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

i think it depends on what you call "personal". it's like two world-views in conflict. there's a guy who works his ass off to make everything right, to be a good man and respectable musician, but all he gets is mockery and neglect cause he's just mediocre at best. and there's another guy who breaks all the rules and acts like he's the hub of the universe, and ppl love/hate him because of his talent and charisma. so there's no wonder the first guy just gets seriously pissed off and i'm sure it's personal.

and i think there was a "beef" between GNR and BJ in the 90s over Baz and Skid Row, when Baz suddenly became Axl's best friend and I can't imagine Axl not taking Baz's side in his clash with BJ. it just wasn't a public clash

If you go to 2:52, Baz goes into what led to them falling out. 2:11 has a GNR question.

yes i know Skid Row signed off part of their publishing rights to Bon Jovi and later it became an issue. and i know Baz is ok with it now, but in the early 90s he was pissed off and bashed Jon big time. and i can imagine Axl and other guys from GNR incited him to feel more traumatized by saying "dude, what JBJ did is not cool" and stuff :) that's all i was saying

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That's not a personal attack on Axl. Jon has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder because Bon Jovi have been ignored or derided by the critics since the very beginning as soft-rock for housewives and people who aren't smart or passionate enough to appreciate serious music.

i think it depends on what you call "personal". it's like two world-views in conflict. there's a guy who works his ass off to make everything right, to be a good man and respectable musician, but all he gets is mockery and neglect cause he's just mediocre at best. and there's another guy who breaks all the rules and acts like he's the hub of the universe, and ppl love/hate him because of his talent and charisma. so there's no wonder the first guy just gets seriously pissed off and i'm sure it's personal.

and i think there was a "beef" between GNR and BJ in the 90s over Baz and Skid Row, when Baz suddenly became Axl's best friend and I can't imagine Axl not taking Baz's side in his clash with BJ. it just wasn't a public clash

If you go to 2:52, Baz goes into what led to them falling out. 2:11 has a GNR question.

yes i know Skid Row signed off part of their publishing rights to Bon Jovi and later it became an issue. and i know Baz is ok with it now, but in the early 90s he was pissed off and bashed Jon big time. and i can imagine Axl and other guys from GNR incited him to feel more traumatized by saying "dude, what JBJ did is not cool" and stuff :) that's all i was saying

"DUDE, why is Bon Jovi being such a dick?"

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