DieselDaisy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Rod Temperton differs.Billie Jean, Beat It, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough, Bad, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, The Way You Make Me Feel, Dirty Diana, Smooth Criminal, Black or White, Earth Song, They Don't Care About UsAll credited solely to MJ. But no, Temperton wrote two singles from Off the Wall, you win.You are not even correct, within your own argument.Off the WallOff The Wall, Rock With You, Burn This Disco Out,ThrillerBaby Be Mine, The Lady in My Life, ThrillerAll (Temperton). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Rod Temperton differs.Billie Jean, Beat It, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough, Bad, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, The Way You Make Me Feel, Dirty Diana, Smooth Criminal, Black or White, Earth Song, They Don't Care About UsAll credited solely to MJ. But no, Temperton wrote two singles from Off the Wall, you win.You are not even correct, within your own argument.Off the WallOff The Wall, Rock With You, Burn This Disco Out,ThrillerBaby Be Mine, The Lady in My Life, ThrillerAll (Temperton).Of those, three are singles. So I digress, I missed one.MJ still wrote every single I listed, so tell me how it's hyperbolic to claim he's better than Elvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 With Elvis, you don't need the songwriting. Elvis had an intuitive sense of the American song lexicon. Old country songs were amalgamated with blues, gospel, easy listening, folk, into a whole product which was rock n' roll. Later on, he adopted big band, soul, etc. Elvis did not have to write songs. He inherently absorbed the influence of songs while growing up. He became the greatest interpreter of American song, of the 20th century. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'm not denying what Elvis did accomplish or anything like that. I've had enough Elvis arguments in this section for the decade. All I'm saying is that MJ's accomplishments are immense, and it's hardly baseless hyperbole to put one over the other.MJ - most successful album of all time, wrote and performed multiple #1 hits, revolutionized the art of the music video, hugely successful career spanning over 3 decades, crowned the "king of pop" by the general populaceI could take your post and rewrite it with all of the things MJ did to pop music, he's a fucking music legend and you have to respect that.As far as I'm concerned, the all-time great popular musician list goes something like this (ignoring classical for sanity's sake):1. The Beatles2. Chuck Berry3. Michael Jackson4. Jimi Hendrix5. The Rolling StonesElvis would probably fall somewhere in the next few. I used a complex mathematical formula with influence, popularity, lasting appeal, talent and innovation as variables in this. It is objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't Michael Jackson create the name The King Of Pop and demand MTV refer to him that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't Michael Jackson create the name The King Of Pop and demand MTV refer to him that way?Even if so, why was he in a position to make those demands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Didn't Michael Jackson create the name The King Of Pop and demand MTV refer to him that way?Even if so, why was he in a position to make those demands?because he was an egomaniac?that would be my best guess Edited January 14, 2015 by Sixes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/did-thriller-really-sell-a-hundred-million-copies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Didn't Michael Jackson create the name The King Of Pop and demand MTV refer to him that way?Really? How lame and in another way, kinda cool For the sheer arrogance of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 This was the painting that hung over his bed. Inspiration or narcissism, I can't make up my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Probably the latter. If it was a bit tongue-and-cheek when he commissioned it, I would be inclined to forgive him for it, but Jackson does not strike me as somebody with a self-deprecating sense of humour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 What's up with all the MJ talk all the sudden? 3 threads in my world seems a bit much. Sure I like him and all, but am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I know his very famous songs and I like some of them (I love Smooth Criminal!) but I tried listening to his albums and I honestly couldn't find anything good other than those uber-famous songs that I already knew. Definitely not my thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 What's up with all the MJ talk all the sudden? 3 threads in my world seems a bit much. Sure I like him and all, but am I missing something? Towelie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 What's up with all the MJ talk all the sudden? 3 threads in my world seems a bit much. Sure I like him and all, but am I missing something? Towelie Uhhh, I only started one of the three MJ theads on here and haven't even been posting in the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickzark Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 like Mj threads.keep posting them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I need to force myself to bust out Invincible again. Went to do so the other night and yet again just ended up listening to Bad and most of HIStory 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I need to force myself to bust out Invincible again. Went to do so the other night and yet again just ended up listening to Bad and most of HIStoryI'm about as big of an MJ fan as they come and I just can't get into that album. Honestly I'd take his J5 era solo stuff over Invinciable. You rock my world is the only decent thing on it, which I do like that song. Edited February 14, 2015 by Iron MikeyJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I need to force myself to bust out Invincible again. Went to do so the other night and yet again just ended up listening to Bad and most of HIStoryI'm about as big of an MJ fan as they come and I just can't get into that album. Honestly I'd take his J5 era solo stuff over Invinciable. You rock my world is the only decent thing on it, which I do like that song.I actually don't even like You Rock My World all that much. The only tune I always remember liking on it is Speechless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Even if Michael had tried to get Quincy and the band that played on Thriller back together again in the studio, I don't think it could have worked. It was a product of its time and what was pop in the early 80s. I wish he did a Blood on the Dance Floor (or whatever the name would be) as a double album of new music instead of History and using the hits to sell it. I don't know if this was a compromise or he was establishing a legacy 20 years ago. It's the only album that seems like it gets in his head. It's not his best album but comes off as his most personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) I need to force myself to bust out Invincible again. Went to do so the other night and yet again just ended up listening to Bad and most of HIStory I'm about as big of an MJ fan as they come and I just can't get into that album. Honestly I'd take his J5 era solo stuff over Invinciable. You rock my world is the only decent thing on it, which I do like that song. I actually think Invincible is really underrated. The first half of the album up to and including Speechless is exceptional. Songs like Break Of Dawn and Butterflies are amongst his most soulful tracks since the Off The Wall days, and up-tempos such as Heartbreaker, You Rock My World and Unbreakable are as good as any of the dance numbers on Dangerous imo. The album goes off the rails a bit during the second half though.... the sequencing is terrible, the ballad to up-tempo ratio is all over the place and it could definitely do with cutting out a few tracks. It manages to recover by the end, with Whatever Happens which is an exceptional song with Carlos Santana and Threatened which is both quirky and funky in equal measures. Edited February 15, 2015 by Towelie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 History is a terrible album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 History is a terrible album.You seriously think so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 It is dreadful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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