volcano62 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 For the first time someone has identified the source of the "Peruvian Guerilla General" quote from UIY2's "Civil War." It turns out Axl is directly quoting from a leader in the Shining Path group, who told the Chicago Tribune in 1989 that his group was "annihilating mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum."http://ask.metafilter.com/248027/Who-is-the-Peruvian-guerilla-general-quoted-in-this-Guns-N-Roses-song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carburetta Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Cool, thanks. Shame it ain't word for word though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aranrod Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 For the first time someone has identified the source of the "Peruvian Guerilla General" quote from UIY2's "Civil War." It turns out Axl is directly quoting from a leader in the Shining Path group, who told the Chicago Tribune in 1989 that his group was "annihilating mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum."http://ask.metafilter.com/248027/Who-is-the-Peruvian-guerilla-general-quoted-in-this-Guns-N-Roses-songOld news... as far as I rememberThe song samples Strother Martin's speech in the 1967 movie, Cool Hand Luke: "What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.".[2]It quotes a Peruvian militant general's speech ("We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer").The song also includes the American Civil War song, "When Johnny Comes Marching Home", whistled by Axl Rose."Civil War" is the B-side track to the June 1991 release of Guns N' Roses "You Could Be Mine" single, the promotional single for Terminator 2: Judgment Day. "Civil War" was not featured in the film however.Of all the 30 combined tracks on the Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, "Civil War" (Track #1 on Use Your Illusion II) is the sole track to be recorded featuring original Guns N' Roses drummer, Steven Adler, who was fired shortly after the track's recording in 1990. Adler was replaced by then The Cult drummer, Matt Sorum, the drummer for all other 29 tracks on the two-disc set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohlovelyrita Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I was thinking it was a common phrase like "some people you just can't win with". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Cool, makes sense. Shining Path was a Marxist leftist group, that explains that popular war bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlsalinger Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Really interesting stuff. Here's the actual article, the quote is basically word for word (with a couple of words cut out). Article is from the Chicago Tribune, dated July 9, 1989.http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-07-09/news/8902150889_1_abimael-guzman-shining-path-guerrillasLIMA, PERU The young guerrilla officer who gave his name as Jorge chose his words carefully as he tried to explain the strategy behind ``selectiveannihilation.````All popular war is violent,`` he said softly. ``We use selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to destroy the presence of the state and create a vacuum. Then we fill that vacuum.``He sat back and let that sink in. ``Violence is an integral part of armed struggle,`` he said. ``As the popular war advances, peace gets closer. Only more popular war will bring peace.`` - See more at: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-07-09/news/8902150889_1_abimael-guzman-shining-path-guerrillas#sthash.EasaZuw7.dpufhttp://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-story-of-guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-i-ii-496629Slash cleaned up for Guns' first serious stab at the albums: a residential preproduction session in June 1989 that saw the band and crew relocate to Chicago. Edited September 13, 2013 by axlsalinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzygirl Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlslash Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 More important take away from this thread: how did I never realize that the whistling is Johnny Comes Marching Home?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlsalinger Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly.What is a poor choice? He's basically mocking the insanity of the statement by quoting it in the song. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly. when you quote someone it doesnt mean that you agree with the quote. it may be the exact opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Necrothread rise from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRmello77 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly. it depends on how you define terrorism, and on if you shared the opinion of the government labeling them terrorists i mean the fucking us government are terrorists with all their war and lies and basically Just gaining oil.. I think some terrorist groups could be good if they fight for an ideal that is fair Edited October 4, 2015 by GNRmello77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly. it depends on how you define terrorism, and on if you shared the opinion of the government labeling them terrorists i mean the fucking us government are terrorists with all their war and lies and basically Just gaining oil.. I think some terrorist groups could be good if they fight for an ideal that is fairOne person's fight for good is another person's terrorism. It's all subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly.What is a poor choice? He's basically mocking the insanity of the statement by quoting it in the song.How do you know he's mocking it? Please share your source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly. it depends on how you define terrorism, and on if you shared the opinion of the government labeling them terrorists i mean the fucking us government are terrorists with all their war and lies and basically Just gaining oil.. I think some terrorist groups could be good if they fight for an ideal that is fairTrue.According to the real history of this country, Sendero Luminoso and Movimiento Revolucionario Tupac Amaru can be both sides of the table depending on who you ask and what books you read. Let's not forget how Fujimori's government annihilated hundreds of innocent people to "resolve" the issue -- including professionals, mothers and children. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlsalinger Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly.What is a poor choice? He's basically mocking the insanity of the statement by quoting it in the song.How do you know he's mocking it? Please share your source.The source is the anti-war lyrics of the Guns n' Roses song "Civil War":http://www.metrolyrics.com/civil-war-lyrics-guns-n-roses.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly.What is a poor choice? He's basically mocking the insanity of the statement by quoting it in the song.How do you know he's mocking it? Please share your source.The source is the anti-war lyrics of the Guns n' Roses song "Civil War":http://www.metrolyrics.com/civil-war-lyrics-guns-n-roses.htmlAnd why would them be aimed at terrorists instead of governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlsalinger Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Personally, I think Axl read that article and couldn't believe what he was reading. This guy is saying, basically, that he's part of a terrorist organization that murders mayors and government officials so they can replace them with their own people. Using "selective annihilation" for peace". On the surface, this is insane. Now I suppose you could argue that some "terrorist" groups are justified based on the actions of the government, just like some governments are justified depending on what the other side is doing.It's a very interesting and provocative line, which is why Axl quoted it, and was (IMO) mocking it.I'm not sure why you think Axl did that (feel free to share it), but I think he was basically saying that both sides are to blame in a "civil war", and war is by its very nature, insane. Even the name itself (what's so civil about war, anyway?). You can't trust either side's motivation because they both think they're justified, you can only trust yourself:You can't trust freedomWhen it's not in your handsWhen everybody's fightin'For their promised land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodine Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 maybe this guy... based on nothing but his first name, involvement with Shining Path, and the use of the phrase "selective annihilation" here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Shining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly.What is a poor choice? He's basically mocking the insanity of the statement by quoting it in the song.How do you know he's mocking it? Please share your source.The source is the anti-war lyrics of the Guns n' Roses song "Civil War":http://www.metrolyrics.com/civil-war-lyrics-guns-n-roses.htmlShining Path or "Sendero Luminoso" is a terrorist organization. Poor choice honestly.What is a poor choice? He's basically mocking the insanity of the statement by quoting it in the song.How do you know he's mocking it? Please share your source.The source is the anti-war lyrics of the Guns n' Roses song "Civil War":http://www.metrolyrics.com/civil-war-lyrics-guns-n-roses.html"Civil War" is track #9 on the album Greatest Hits. It was written by Ax,magnus/kilmister,lemmy/dee,mikkey/campbell,phil /" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfriend Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Seems like a subject that has long fascinated Axl, given this and the unreleased C.D. Liner notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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