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Some of my favorite pieces. My favorite composers are Johannes Brahms, Frederic Chopin, George Butterworth, Igor Stravinsky, Franz Schubert, and of course Beethoven, Mozart, and Tchaikovsky. I listen to classical a lot when I'm on the road working, only radio station I can listen to without wanting to throw up at some point.

French composer William Sheller put out this amazing classical/psychedelic hybrid record in 1972, kind of out there for it's time but one of the best records I've ever heard, definitely worth checking out.

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Really getting into Wagner lately, trying to get your head around the ring cycle is a fuckin' mission though. Fuckin' cycle of 4 Operas that took him over 25 years to write...and then we have a go at Axl :lol: Difference being I suppose is that when Wagners one came out it changed the history of fuckin' music. Thematically it's wonderful though, murder, incest, rape, you name it!

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Yes. My favourite composer is Schubert, followed by Mozart, Vivaldi, Haydn, Beethoven - when I am in the mood (I have to be in the mood for Ludwig Van for some reason). But Schubert is my chap. Basically unknown during his brief lifespan, he died aged 32 of (probably) syphilis - yes, the Austrian whores finished him off (and probably robbed us of some masterpieces). He died one year after Beethoven. He was amazingly prolific though and most of his masterpieces were unknown and discovered in the cupboards and attics of Schubert’s friends by musicologists like Grove and Sullivan (he of Gilbert and Sullivan fame) - this went on into the 20th century.

Listen to these masterpieces,

- Piano Trio in E-Flat (the second movement is in Barry Lyndon).

- Klavierstucke (particularly the second movement)

- String Quintet

- 8th Symphony ‘Unfinished’ (two complete movements exist).

- 9th Symphony (Great in C Major)

His great strength was as a melodist. Schubert could crack out a beautiful melody better than anyone. There is something about a 'Schubertian melody', acheingly sweet but tinged with sadness. You know it when you hear it.

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I have been listening to a lot of Mozart.

There is a sort of, perfection about Amadeus’s music. Beethoven was more revolutionary, beckoning in the sublime genius of Romanticism whereas Mozart was a master craftsman, working for aristocratic patrons of the Enlightenment. Yet in the Da Ponte operas (especially Giovanni), the Requiem mass and - especially - those final three symphonies, Mozart does foreshadow the triumphs of Beethoven and Schubert (and thereafter, the full blooded Romanticism of Berlioz etc). There is a sort of burgeoning ’Romanticism’ there. You see this best in the first movement of the No. 40 in G-Minor I feel.

I can think of nothing finer that Mozart’s final three symphonies. Beethoven structured music, in an architectural superior way and had a wider palette of rhythm and dynamics, but Mozart is melodically better than Beethoven. Mozartian melodies are the closest thing to being transported to heaven (well, besides Schubertian melodies): they just sort of float.

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Those guys were like rock stars.

I go though phases. Sometimes I listen to a lot of blues and rock (my current one) other times I just want to listen to classical. I would just sit back and listen to what is mentioned as well as Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Liszt and Wagner.

In my spare time, I try to piece together the development of music. From ancient to modern. It's a lot harder than I thought. Better off tracing early medieval to romantic.

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Western music, in brief.

Medieval

- Monophonic and in weird modes. Predominantly religious

- Gregorian Chant, De Machaut

Renaissance (c. 1430-1600)

- Polyphonic. Increasing secularisation of music.

- Dufay, Desprez, Di Lasso, Palestrina, the English Madrigalists

Baroque (1600-1750)

- Handel, Bach, Montiverdi, Vivaldi

- Saw the development of opera and homophony. Magnificent and passionate 'high art' (the musical equivalent of the Sistine Chapel).

Classical (1750-c. 1825)

- Haydn, Mozart, Gluck, early-Beethoven and Schubert (them two are transitional figures).

- Like the Enlightenment, it is rational, formulaic and uniform; it saw the establishment of musical form (symphony, sonata form, rondo etc). Un-programmatic.

Romantic (1825-1900)

- Late Beethoven/Schubert, Berlioz, Schuman, Chopin, Wagner et al.

- Un-rational, un-formulaic and highly individualistic - it saw the development of ‘national’ music (Dvorak, Grieg, etc.). Programmatic.

Modern (1900 - )

- Debussy, Schoenberg , Stravinsky etc

- Difficult to pin point because there are a myriad of categories (‘expressionism‘, ‘modernism‘, ‘futurism‘, etc). Atonality (Scoenberg’s 12-Tone music), dissonance and avant garde are dominant features of modern classical music.

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Brendel is one of the greats. He is less, 'Romantic', more academic than Horowitz. Although he has played Schumann and - I believe - Liszt before, he does however tend to focus almost exclusively on the three turn-of-the-century greats, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert. So it is quite a narrow repertoire there, but worth delving into if you like your Late 'Romantic' Classicism. I have a lot of different Schubert recordings but Brendel is my, 'go to' guy.

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