wfuckinga Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 You've been there since the beginning, and you were the original Guns N' Roses fan. Do you ever sit back and think "Wow, when did this band get so huge? I remember when they were playing to a few dozen on the Strip" or "Wow, I remember when they had tens of fans. Now they have millions" or something like that? What were your thoughts when the band first started to get the awards and recognition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post recklessroad Posted January 10, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) When the band did 4 nights at perkins palace pasadena CA. at the end of 1987 was the first sign of it. a few months later Jungle broke on MTV and then they did 2 nights at the celebrity theater in Anaheim Ca. That was the big chance I saw in the fans in the crowd and then MTV filmed and aired the Ritz gig soon after that. There was no stopping them at that point. They were the coolest new band around. They put out SCOM which put the band to all new levels and then they finished it off with Paradise City. A few years latter Nov Rain open up a whole new crowd and took things to the next level. I always knew how good they were from the start and then the rest of the world knew it too. I was very proud that they made it to the top and that was before they did any headline tours. I always wonder how mush further they could have gone if Izzy didn't leave? The funny thing is I always thought that drugs would have killed the band but in the end it was the sober one who killed it. When Izzy left it was the beginning of the end for that line up. Axl could blame Slash and Slash can blame Axl all they want, They are both wrong it was all mostly Izzys fault for not being there to balance it all between them. Edited January 11, 2014 by recklessroad 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITBOSS Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 interesting perspective marc, kinda crazy that everybody gives izzy a "pass" too like he could do no wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 When the band did 4 nights at perkins palace pasadena CA. at the end of 1987 was the first sign of it. a few months later Jungle broke on MTV and then they did 2 nights at the celebrity theater in Anaheim Ca. That was the big chance I saw in the fans in the crowd and then MTV filmed and aired the Ritz gig soon after that. There was no stopping them at that point. They were the coolest new band around. They put out SCOM which put the band to all new levels and then they finished it off with Paradise City. A few years latter Nov Rain open up a whole new crowd and took things to the next level.I always knew how good they were from the start and now the rest of the world knew it too. I was very proud that they made it to the top and that was before they did any headline tours.I always wonder how mush further they could have gone if Izzy didn't leave? The funny thing is I always thought that drugs would have killed the band but in the end it was the sober one who killed it. When Izzy left it was the beginning of the end for that line up. Axl could blame Slash and Slash can blame Axl all they want, They are both wrong it was all mostly Izzys fault for now being there to balance it all between them.I think Izzy made a very clear statement with 14 Years. And if Axl allowed that song and other Izzy´s songs on the UYI albums is because he saw the storm was getting closer. But as usual Axl listened to the wrong people. So he might ended up thinking that Izzy wouldn´t have the balls. Izzy´s mistake was not to persuade Slash, Duff and Matt to go on a strike or mutiny knowing that Axl was out of control. And knowing that nobody in the band was happy with Axl´s behavior. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Do you think there was anyone trying to turn the band members against each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) interesting perspective marc, kinda crazy that everybody gives izzy a "pass" too like he could do no wrongConstruing Izzy leaving as "wrong" because it broke up the band is a leap imo. Edited January 10, 2014 by ShadowOfTheWave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 interesting perspective marc, kinda crazy that everybody gives izzy a "pass" too like he could do no wrongConstruing Izzy leaving as "wrong" because it broke up the band is a leap imo.Izzy did kind of leave the band in the lurch. It's not easy to replace a player with Izzy's attitude etc, to play and keep going with GNR songs. The UYIs were done though, so i think maybe many underestimated the loss. "Throw Gilby in there and she'll be right..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ok, I'm not trying to put it all on Izzy because I know why he left and I guess in a way it would fall back on some of the things that were happening at that time which was what really cased Izzy to leave. However I still say if Izzy didn't leave, the band would have been able to make more records with that lineup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITBOSS Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 interesting perspective marc, kinda crazy that everybody gives izzy a "pass" too like he could do no wrongConstruing Izzy leaving as "wrong" because it broke up the band is a leap imo.I just think it's interesting that point is never made on these boards, it's always blaming slash or axl. izzy probably did what was best for him at the time, but if he hadn't left, how would have things turned out? wrong or right he always gets a pass "well izzy's just being izzy...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Izzy doesn't seem like the type to mediate. was he the voice of reason for Axl and Slash, Duff always seems to get painted as that guy but he really doesn't seem to be too interested in it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ok, I'm not trying to put it all on Izzy because I know why he left and I guess in a way it would fall back on some of the things that were happening at that time which was what really cased Izzy to leave.However I still say if Izzy didn't leave, the band would have been able to make more records with that lineup.I see your point. But keep in mind that Axl wanted to go in another direction musically. I don´t see Izzy being a big fan of industrial/electronic/overproduced music. The problems Axl had with Slash and Duff he would´ve had them with Izzy as well. Besides Izzy didn´t belong in the partnership anymore just like Slash and Duff. Izzy had a lot more good reasons to stay out than to stay in.Izzy was back in 1993 because of Gilby´s accident. Izzy was willing to give it a second chance. He clearly didn´t like what he saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 A lot of people here who know what they're talking about say that Izzy leaving was the beginning of the end. It's almost universally accepted amongst fans of the old band, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Yeah losing Steven sucked, but it was at least manageable. But losing one of the core four was bound to start a domino effect. And it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Of The Blues Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Izzy waking up, abandoning ship forced them to sail around the world and drift apart because of drugs. Nobody to blame but a substance and mass of confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadcaplaughs Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ok, I'm not trying to put it all on Izzy because I know why he left and I guess in a way it would fall back on some of the things that were happening at that time which was what really cased Izzy to leave.However I still say if Izzy didn't leave, the band would have been able to make more records with that lineup.I see your point. But keep in mind that Axl wanted to go in another direction musically. I don´t see Izzy being a big fan of industrial/electronic/overproduced music. The problems Axl had with Slash and Duff he would´ve had them with Izzy as well. Besides Izzy didn´t belong in the partnership anymore just like Slash and Duff. Izzy had a lot more good reasons to stay out than to stay in.Izzy was back in 1993 because of Gilby´s accident. Izzy was willing to give it a second chance. He clearly didn´t like what he saw.I do not think Izzy's intention was ever to "give it a second chance." I think he was just helping out the band in a time of need. From all accounts, he was pretty relieved to be done with playing with the band after those shows in 1993.A lot of people here who know what they're talking about say that Izzy leaving was the beginning of the end. It's almost universally accepted amongst fans of the old band, I think.Definitely agree, although I'd have to say that off all the things that have happened to GN'R, opinions on Izzy have changed the most since he left the band in 1991. At the time, once the word finally came out that he was gone (it was a more or less hush hush deal when it first happened) a lot of people saw it as him abandoning ship and being too much of a "pussy" to be able playing in a band as big as Guns N' Roses. Years later, seeing how quickly the band fell apart after he left and how quickly the relationships between everyone went to shit, it's obvious Izzy probably jumped ship before it sank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dariablue Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 But Izzy left because of the drug abuse and Axl. So fingers can be pointed in multiple directions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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