Who is more influential? Tommy Stinson or Pino Palladino?

[Damn_Smooth]

At the request of Broski and the yearning of his cheerleader Maynard, I have made this poll to let you decide.

On one side you have Tommy, who with The Replacements was a major part of the original punk scene and had a direct influence on some small bands like Guns N' Roses (classic lineup) and Nirvana.

On the other side you have Pinky, who played in NIN for a month and probably played with such greats as Justin Beiber or whatever pop act was popular 2 years ago when Broski was a wee little tweener. He also may have inspired the great form of music known as EDM, but I'm not sure on that so don't quote me.

Rock the vote people.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Damn_Smooth

[magisme]

At least you've presented the topic objectively.

[Damn_Smooth]

Always.

[maynard]

I don't even like Broski. I was just having a laugh at you. If we are talking influential in how he changed playing bass, my vote goes to Pino. If by influential you mean played in more important records, my vote goes to Pino. If by influential you mean plaing in an underground punk band and being part of the "most stable lineup of GNR", I'd go with Tommy.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Tommy Stinson, all day long. The Replacements were a really singular, really brave, really out there band, even by the standards of the revolutionary (for its times) genre that they came up in. I mean they were a band in the hardcore scene that basically played good time rock n roll, that takes a lot of fuckin' nerve, especially considering the sorts of reactions that were often illicited from such bravery.

They're way ahead of their time too in that the grunge scene, Seattle scene that was to come later was effectively credited as being a sort of punk movement of it's own (debateable) but one wherein the people involved embraced a sort of greater freedom and loosened up enough to incorporate traditional rock n roll elements a little more...well The Replacements were doing that over a decade ahead of time.

So if we're talking strictly about influence then The Replacements are seminal really, whereas NIN can't even really claim to be like...spearheads of the Industrial genre, on contrary, people more of The Replacements ouevre could be considered as seminal to the Industrial genre, like Big Black for instance...or Suicide, although admittedly that last one is something of a stretch in terms of their connection to The Mats.

[Sixes]

The Replacements influenced the alt country scene more than anything else and that's talked about the least

[Guest Len B'stard]

The Replacements influenced the alt country scene more than anything else and that's talked about the least

Thats interesting, like who?

[Sixes]

The Replacements influenced the alt country scene more than anything else and that's talked about the least

Thats interesting, like who?

Uncle Tupelo and subesequently Son Volt and Wilco, Whiskeytown, Bottle Rockets, the Old 97's are some of the more prominent ones

[Guest Len B'stard]

Cool, I shall have to give em a listen!

[Sixes]

Cool, I shall have to give em a listen!

of course it's the latter day Replacements that influened that scene and not The Replacements Stink!

you've never listened to Wilco? they are one of the best bands of the past 20 years. their first album is full on alt country, the second one is very 70's rock n roll like the early 70's stones mixed with big star....then they got very experimental and have been that way ever since, impossible to pigeon hole

the singer/guitarist/songwriter is Jeff Tweedy and he was also the co-leader of Uncle Tupleo, the preeminent alt country band....he had a falling out with his co-leader (what a surprise!!) Jay Farrar and the band broke up...Farrar went on to form Son Volt

Whiskeytown was the first band of Ryan Adams....

[Guest Len B'stard]

I gotta say Sorry Ma, Let It Be and Hootenanny are my favorite Mats albums.

[Sixes]

I gotta say Sorry Ma, Let It Be and Hootenanny are my favorite Mats albums.

mine as well...(and Tim) but their sounded definitely changed over the course of their brief career...and I liked the latter stuff as well

but their first few albums, along with Stink are landmarks

Westerberg's lyricism was also a major influence on the alt country scene as well....instead of the country of the day, alt country, like alt rock, was more current, more for the younger generation with great musicianship although with nods to the sloppiness and haphazardness of the mats and also smarter lyrics than the country music that was prevalent at that time

Edited February 27, 2014 by Sixes

[Sixes]

I've never really associated Palladino with NIN.

However, Pino is the more influential bass player presented in the poll. Says nothing about the bands they were in

[maynard]

I've never really associated Palladino with NIN.

However, Pino is the more influential bass player presented in the poll. Says nothing about the bands they were in

Best post in this whole discussion.

[Guest Len B'stard]

The only reason i know who Pino is is cuz of The Who.

[Mindray11]

Tommy, but Pino's great.

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't even like Broski. I was just having a laugh at you. If we are talking influential in how he changed playing bass, my vote goes to Pino. If by influential you mean played in more important records, my vote goes to Pino. If by influential you mean plaing in an underground punk band and being part of the "most stable lineup of GNR", I'd go with Tommy.

How about influential as in actually had an influence on people that came after them? I don't care why you're cheerleading Broski, so don't bother with an explanation. That only bores me. Edited February 27, 2014 by Damn_Smooth

[maynard]

I don't care about what bores you. I thought this thread was supposed to stop your little fight with Broski so you can calm down a bit, lady.

You're very ignorant regarding music, that bores me and 99% of this forum.

Edited February 27, 2014 by ProstituteComa

[Guest Len B'stard]

Put me in the 1% then cuz i call Damn Smooth amongst the best posters here, flat out.

[maynard]

Stop that, DS doesn't like cheerleaders.

[Guest Len B'stard]

The minute he says something cunt-ish i'll have no qualms in stopping and going 'you're a cunt' just as he don't with me. Probably why i like him, I've argued with him enough times too, none of that stops him from being a great poster though. He has a very singular way of looking at things and he's not afraid to back it up and tell, well, just about anyone exactly what he thinks of them and i'll always rate a fella like that.

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't care about what bores you. I thought this thread was supposed to stop your little fight with Broski so you can calm down a bit, lady.

You're very ignorant regarding music, that bores me and 99% of this forum.

Is Maynard mad? You're going to bore me no matter what you do, so it doesn't matter if you care or not. Being ignorant about music has never stopped me from being right each and every time I've discussed it with you, so what does that matter?

Stop that, DS doesn't like cheerleaders.

False. I don't like people that have nothing to offer but cheerleading. Such as yourself.

[Broskirose]

Tommy Stinson, all day long. The Replacements were a really singular, really brave, really out there band, even by the standards of the revolutionary (for its times) genre that they came up in. I mean they were a band in the hardcore scene that basically played good time rock n roll, that takes a lot of fuckin' nerve, especially considering the sorts of reactions that were often illicited from such bravery.

They're way ahead of their time too in that the grunge scene, Seattle scene that was to come later was effectively credited as being a sort of punk movement of it's own (debateable) but one wherein the people involved embraced a sort of greater freedom and loosened up enough to incorporate traditional rock n roll elements a little more...well The Replacements were doing that over a decade ahead of time.

So if we're talking strictly about influence then The Replacements are seminal really, whereas NIN can't even really claim to be like...spearheads of the Industrial genre, on contrary, people more of The Replacements ouevre could be considered as seminal to the Industrial genre, like Big Black for instance...or Suicide, although admittedly that last one is something of a stretch in terms of their connection to The Mats.

I think you're really ignorant as to who Pino is. He did not just play in NIN. Infact he was only in the band for about 2 or 3 months and it's irrelevant to his overall work.

Pino Palladino is a bass legend. He's one of, if not the biggest session musicians on the planet. His playing defined how the bass is used as an instrument. He has his own signature models, and his playing is all over some of the biggest songs of the 80s. Pino changed an instrument. Tommy was one man in one band that influenced one genre of music.

There is no comparison. I'm assuming the rest of people who voted the way you did are unaware of who Pino is as well.

We're literally talking about the greatest bass player alive here.

[maynard]

I don't care about what bores you. I thought this thread was supposed to stop your little fight with Broski so you can calm down a bit, lady.

You're very ignorant regarding music, that bores me and 99% of this forum.

Is Maynard mad? You're going to bore me no matter what you do, so it doesn't matter if you care or not. Being ignorant about music has never stopped me from being right each and every time I've discussed it with you, so what does that matter?

Stop that, DS doesn't like cheerleaders.

False. I don't like people that have nothing to offer but cheerleading. Such as yourself.

Yawn.

@Broski: Great post.

[J Dog]

The Stinson boys.