TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I'm not always the biggest Ron fan. I like his guitar playing a lot but could do without him always seeming vaguely unhappy but never doing anything about it. But I really have to give him credit for the way he plays Estranged. It's a difficult song to get just right. I think a lot of so called mindless shred guitarist would have struggled with it. Would have been interesting to hear Bucket's interpretation but I somehow feel it wouldn't have captured the essence of the song like Ron does. Can you guys post some videos of your favorite performances of Estranged since it made its conspicuous return in Rio? My personal favorite is Philly 2012. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays-Civil-War Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I enjoyed when they debuted it at RIRIV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RXGo4kb8QdY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Snowmass that version from Oklahoma to me is the definitive version of that song. Whenever I listen to Estranged I always add the "I doubt it" after "maybe I'll get it right next time" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 I enjoyed when they debuted it at RIRIV I definitely agree that version was special because obviously the whole band was super stoked to debut the song and possibly even a little nervous too. So there's a lot of grit in that version. Absolutely the highlight of an otherwise dismal show and huge missed opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Cigarettes Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) I've been noticing myself as well that he's got this song perfected. It's a big song for the right bends and fat guitar tone and he's got it close to perfect. The tone could be a little bigger but no biggie. Edited April 19, 2014 by Smokin' Cigarettes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) I've been noticing myself as well that he's got this song perfected. It's a big song for the right bends and fat guitar tone and he's got it close to perfect. The tone could be a little bigger but no biggie.Haha that's Slash you're missing my friend. Nothing wrong with Bumble's tone when he plays the ChiDem tracks. Slash has just got fat tone oozing from his fingers. It's kinda his thing. Edited April 19, 2014 by TOS--LOA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Cigarettes Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I've been noticing myself as well that he's got this song perfected. It's a big song for the right bends and fat guitar tone and he's got it close to perfect. The tone could be a little bigger but no biggie.Haha that's Slash you're missing my friend. Nothing wrong with Bumble's tone when he plays the ChiDem tracks. Slash has just got fat tone oozing from his fingers. It's kinda his thing.Slash was soulful and had those bluesy licks/bends that everyone is a sucker for. While what you say is what the majority will go with (not arguing) but most of the fat tone is straight up Les Paul. They are notorious for their tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 While I agree with you for the most part that a good Les Paul and Marshall will give you fat tone, I still maintain that in order to sound like Slash you literally have to be Slash. An easy way to prove my point is to listen to DJ Ashba play the first solo in Estranged. While the tone is there for the most part.. It ain't Slash tone buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curmudgeonrose Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I enjoyed when they debuted it at RIRIV I love this version. It makes me shiver in emotion. It's just such a meaningful moment for all of us die hard GnR fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Cigarettes Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 While I agree with you for the most part that a good Les Paul and Marshall will give you fat tone, I still maintain that in order to sound like Slash you literally have to be Slash. An easy way to prove my point is to listen to DJ Ashba play the first solo in Estranged. While the tone is there for the most part.. It ain't Slash tone buddy.Believe me when I tell you (and good call on the marshall's cause I completely left that part out) I'm not trying to discredit Slash and you make a strong case with DJ Ashba. But if we were investigating this situation closely I would have to check and see if DJ was playing through a Marshall as well and if he's using the trademark Seymour Duncan pickups that slash used as well. Let's leave DJ out of it please lol cause I can't argue that. Ron doesn't play like Slash technically but if we're talking about just this one song only, and Slash was to let Ron use his complete setup I think Ron is a guy that could pull it off without us really knowing the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 lol Ashba's solo is atrocious. It sounds like the solo was broken into million pieces and glued together, and that's basically because that guy can't bend for shit. Bumblefoot's fade-in fade-out is good, but the tone is awful.Slash's tone during the UYI tour was one of, if not the best fat tone I have heard in a Les Paul. Plus, the gold top he used to play Estranged is the same one he used for SCOM, Don't Cry back in the day and that particular guitar had a sustain like no other. Sad it got stolen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Smokincigarettes-Totally agree with you dude! And I'm not sure what pickups Ashba uses but I assume they're Duncans because why the fuck not if your job is to sound like Slash. I've read on this board that he is all digital but don't know if that's true. To my ears it sounds like he's digital but can't say for sure. But back on topic.. Ron really seems to "get" this song. Edited April 19, 2014 by TOS--LOA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 lol Ashba's solo is atrocious. It sounds like the solo was broken into million pieces and glued together, and that's basically because that guy can't bend for shit. Bumblefoot's fade-in fade-out is good, but the tone is awful.Slash's tone during the UYI tour was one of, if not the best fat tone I have heard in a Les Paul. Plus, the gold top he used to play Estranged is the same one he used for SCOM, Don't Cry back in the day and that particular guitar had a sustain like no other. Sad it got stolen.I'm pretty sure it was the custom Snakepit guitar that was stolen. I think Slash retired the guitar you're talking about because it was barely holding together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 lol Ashba's solo is atrocious. It sounds like the solo was broken into million pieces and glued together, and that's basically because that guy can't bend for shit. Bumblefoot's fade-in fade-out is good, but the tone is awful.Slash's tone during the UYI tour was one of, if not the best fat tone I have heard in a Les Paul. Plus, the gold top he used to play Estranged is the same one he used for SCOM, Don't Cry back in the day and that particular guitar had a sustain like no other. Sad it got stolen.I'm pretty sure it was the custom Snakepit guitar that was stolen. I think Slash retired the guitar you're talking about because it was barely holding together.You mean the one with the Snakepit logo? He still has it, actually he has two of them, the custom with the logo reversed and the regular one. He rarely uses it nowadays, last time was in 2010. The Les Paul I'm talkin' about was not retired. It got stolen from his studio in 2000, I think. He was looking for it not long ago: http://slashonline.com/2013/05/24/help-slash-find-an-old-friend/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) lol Ashba's solo is atrocious. It sounds like the solo was broken into million pieces and glued together, and that's basically because that guy can't bend for shit. Bumblefoot's fade-in fade-out is good, but the tone is awful.Slash's tone during the UYI tour was one of, if not the best fat tone I have heard in a Les Paul. Plus, the gold top he used to play Estranged is the same one he used for SCOM, Don't Cry back in the day and that particular guitar had a sustain like no other. Sad it got stolen.I'm pretty sure it was the custom Snakepit guitar that was stolen. I think Slash retired the guitar you're talking about because it was barely holding together. You mean the one with the Snakepit logo? He still has it, actually he has two of them, the custom with the logo reversed and the regular one. He rarely uses it nowadays, last time was in 2010. The Les Paul I'm talkin' about was not retired. It got stolen from his studio in 2000, I think. He was looking for it not long ago: http://slashonline.com/2013/05/24/help-slash-find-an-old-friend/I stand corrected. Thanks for the info! I definitely remember him talking about having to retire one of his classic guitars though. Edited April 19, 2014 by TOS--LOA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I enjoyed when they debuted it at RIRIV I love this version. It makes me shiver in emotion. It's just such a meaningful moment for all of us die hard GnR fans.The part where he's dancing slowly and splashing about in the water during the solo is fantastic. Oddly emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realpoti Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 He brought Don't Cry and Estranged back into the set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePerry954 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 For me, this version of Estranged sums up NuGNR as a whole. The notes are pretty much played identical, but it's just not the same. It just sounds a little off.BFF's tone is terrible. Sounds so digital and processed. Sounds like hes playing through an Iphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) One of the only highlights from Rio, I'm always partial to that picture of Axl looking gleeful in the yellow slicker though.Bumble plays it well, I dunno what it is though, his tone sounds really clinical, but everyone has their own sound I guess. I can't even imagine what murder Ashba would commit with those damn graceful bends. It's good that BBF gets a centrepiece to shine on, it's such a phenomenal lead that is has to be nailed perfectly each night. Edited April 19, 2014 by RandallFlagg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 BBF is the only good thing about Estranged today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoRourke Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I always love the moment when Ron throws his arms up at the start of the song. He knows it means so much for the fans.And he indeed nails all his parts. He's just great.Seeing it live in 2012 is a great memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Axl was a lot more into it with a new song being played, imagine how up for it he'd be if he allowed the guys and himself to play something new they'd all wrote! Seems like he's holding himself back. Ashba's solo was just fine too, always feel like I need to be fair when he plays decent which is worrying lol. Edited April 19, 2014 by RandallFlagg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Yeah, I have nothing against Ashba's Estranged solo. Well, he throwed in cool hamonics at the beginning of the solo, so I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumblefeet Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Agreed about BB nailing Estranged, especially his wailing sounds! We need real dolphins on stage.For me he also completely nails TWAT, which is not an easy thing to do. Edited April 19, 2014 by Bumblefeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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