GN'R Related Mentions in Paul Stanley's "Face The Music"

[Yesterdays-Civil-War]

I didn't think this thread was important enough to be in the main section so I put it here. Just some tidbits I thought I'd share with y'all. For whatever it's worth, I really enjoyed Paul's book and I find it to be one of the better autobiographies I've read to date. It blows Gene's, but especially Ace and Peter's, out of the water.

“Another person I spoke to was a really sweet young kind named Saul Hudson. He told me his mom had been a seamstress for David Bowie and that his friends called him ‘Slash.’ He was very well spoken and engaging, but he seemed really young. Finally I asked him how old he was. ‘I’ll be seventeen next month’ he said. I had turned thirty earlier that year, and Gene was twice this kid’s age. ‘You know,’ I said, ‘you sound like a great guy, but I think you’re too young for this.’ I wish him well and always remembered him because he was so nice and unaffected.” Pg.273, Paul speaking out on finding Ace’s replacement

“Howard Marks, our business manager, called me one afternoon and said he’d gotten a call from Tom Zutaut, an A&R man famous for siging Motley Crue. ‘Tom just signed this band,’ Howard said, ‘and wanted to know if you want to go check them out. They’re looking for a producer.’
Well, Gene was off making another movie. We weren’t going to work on the next record until the following year. Why not?
Howard came with me to meet the band—a bunch of young guys called Guns N’ Roses. We had arranged to meet them at an apartment their manager had rented for them near the corner of La Cienega and Fountain. I introduced bald, pot-bellied Howard as my bodyguard, as a joke; but after looking around for a few minutes, I could see why they didn’t get it.

Izzy was unconscious, with drool coming out of the side of his mouth. It wasn’t clear whether he was sleeping or dead—that’s how rough he looked. Duff and Steven were very nice, and Steven was just flowing about what a big KISS fan he was. I didn’t realize that the half-comatose, curly-headed lead guitar player who called himself Slash was what had become of the sweet kid I’d spoken to during the interviews before the recording of Creatures a few years earlier. Then Axl chatted with me and played a few songs on a crappy cassette player they had lying around.
When he played ‘Nightrain’ I thought it was really good, but I told him that maybe the chorus could be used a pre-chorus instead, and there could be another chorus added afterwards. That was the last time he ever spoke to me. Ever.
Slash roused himself, and he and I started talking about the Stones. I show him Keith’s five-string open-G tuning, which was the set-up Keith used to write all his stuff. I took a string off and retuned a guitar, and he thought it was very cool. I also offered to help Slash get in touch with people who could hook him up with some free guitars—we were sponsored by all sorts of instrument companies, and I figured a young guy like him could use some help getting equipment to record with.

That night, I went to see their gig at Raji’s, a little dive in Hollywood. I thought the song they had played for me were good, but they didn’t prepare me for seeing their band live. Guns N’ Roses were stupendous. I was shocked, given the collection of wastoids I’d seen earlier that afternoon, and I immediately realized I was witnessing true greatness.
I went to see them perform again at another club, called Gazzarri’s—it later became the Key Club. They weren’t happy with the guy mixing their sound, and Slash asked me out of the blue to help out. Decades later, Slash’s recollections of the night would be faulty at best. He liked to pretend I had dared to meddle with their sound. God forbid this guy from KISS would have anything to do with Guns—I mean, what could be worse than a guy from KISS, of all things? He also recalled that I had a blond trophy wife with me. But I wasn’t married and was in fact there with a short brunette named Holly Knight, who was a songwriter famous for ‘Love Is a Battlefield,” among other hits. There is obviously a reason why defense attorneys never want to put alcoholics or drug addicts on the witness stand.

That was years later of course. Immediately after my interactions with the band, I started to hear lots of stories Slash was saying behind my back—he called me gay, made fun of my clothes, all sorts of things designed to give himself some sort of rock credibility at my expense. This was years before his top hat, sunglasses, and dangling cigarette became a cartoon costume that he would continue to milk with the best of us for decades.

I didn’t wind up being involved with G’n’R’s album. No surprise there. The surprise came a few months later when Slash called me and wanted to follow up on my offer to help him get some free guitars.
‘You want me to help you get guitars after you went around saying all that shit about me behind my back?’
Slash got real quiet.
‘You know, one thing you’re going to have to learn is not to air your dirty laundry in public. Nice knowing you. Go fuck yourself.’” Pg 308-310

[DR DOOM]

Fair enough.

I wanna read this book myself.

[Redhead74]

I'm pretty sceptical. All of it sounds speculative and in favour of saving Paul Stanley's ass from some serious embarrassment.

[Johnny Drama]

He's believable. .. but he's still a bender with a plastic cocksucking mouth IMO.

[Crash Diet]

Old news

[Johnny Drama]

That's a contradiction really, innit? Because news is like plural of new. I think a lot of people take that word for granted and don't really stop to consider the base word at hand. Makes me quite distraught, truth be told.

[magisme]

What's the time frame for all of this? Like when and where did Slash says these things as compared to when and where they happened?

lol Salsh

[Redhead74]

Paul Stanley can go fuck himself. He's probably dirty on GNR for getting better chicks than he did.

[Thin White Duke]

Pretty meh story. Slash said Paul is gay and had a trophy blonde wife. So Paul didn't tell him where to get free equipment. Where is the blood? I want blood.

Nevertheless I had heard Stanley's book is not bad. I could give it a read.

[DR DOOM]

He's believable. .. but he's still a bender with a plastic cocksucking mouth IMO.

I just spat my drink out reading that

I'm sure Paul has put his own spin on it ( or omitted some details), but I generally believe him.

That whole story about Ace and Peter dressing up in SS gear and knocking on Gene's hotel room was true, what Paul forgot to mention was that he did too.

[Yesterdays-Civil-War]

While Paul and Gene always put their own spin on things, for the most part, they have to be given the benefit of the doubt because they were the only sober ones at the time. Not just in their band, but on the scene in general. I would take Paul's word over anybody else's in the business--he has the sobriety of Gene without all the "I's."

What's the time frame for all of this? Like when and where did Slash says these things as compared to when and where they happened?

lol Salsh

I'm not 100% on what you're asking. The timeline for the first story was '82. The second story was '86. As for Slash's commentary on these events, I haven't a clue other than "decades later."

[dalsh327]

The KISS book I really liked was "Nothin' To Lose", I think each of them had some interesting things happen to them in their lives outside of the band.

They pulled strings so Adler could meet Paul and there was never any plan for him to produce them.

[pestilence]

he wanted to change more than nightrain

[Val22]

Another book written by a rock musician. What a surprise!

What is there left to tell?

I'm still waiting for the Motley Crue movie "The Dirt" What happened to that?

Honestly if Paul Stanley was gay, I don't think he'd care who knew and would not lie about it.

[Zint]

Paul's book is definitely the best of the four.

I was pleasantly surprised actually, I found it a rather insightful, enjoyable read.

I was a little taken aback at how often he bags on Gene, I didn't see that coming.

[Sixes]

HOW Y'ALL FEEL????????????

[dalsh327]

Paul's book is definitely the best of the four.

I was pleasantly surprised actually, I found it a rather insightful, enjoyable read.

I was a little taken aback at how often he bags on Gene, I didn't see that coming.

I like that Paul said Gene's full of shit at being a marketing genius.

[Johnny Drama]

He is. None of his shit has made KISS more popular as far as I know and it's always tacky garbage.

[Yesterdays-Civil-War]

he wanted to change more than nightrain

This is what I was thinking of while reading. When I read "Nightrain" in the book, I said to myself, "Doesn't he mean Jungle?"

I was a little taken aback at how often he bags on Gene, I didn't see that coming.

I remember reading all the news articles titled "Paul Stanley Felt Betrayed by Gene Simmons" or something to that effect, a few weeks before the book come out. It definitely help sell a few copies.

They have to have one hell of a strong relationship for Paul to be able to air all his grievances, past and present, against Gene in his book. I don't remember anything of the sort in Gene's book; he told the truth about Ace and Peter, but it didn't seem like there was much to say about Paul other than his adoration for him.

[dalsh327]

He is. None of his shit has made KISS more popular as far as I know and it's always tacky garbage.

I'm actually impressed how they were able to pull it all off. I'll just say Slade never got their due as far as how many bands they've influenced in hard rock.

[Sixes]

With this change in the weather, some people might have some ROCK AND ROLL PNEUMONIAAAAA

[DR DOOM]

With this change in the weather, some people might have some ROCK AND ROLL PNEUMONIAAAAA

[dalsh327]

[Ace Nova]

While Paul and Gene always put their own spin on things, for the most part, they have to be given the benefit of the doubt because they were the only sober ones at the time. Not just in their band, but on the scene in general. I would take Paul's word over anybody else's in the business--he has the sobriety of Gene without all the "I's."

Hmmm.....not so sure about that. Both Paul and Gene pride themselves in being business people and sober at the time. They also know that others know that they were sober at the time...when everyone else was wasted. So they can easily twist a few words here...change a few things there...and no one would really remember the truth anyway....and most would take their word for it because just like you say, "Well, they were sober at the time". That's the catch.

And knowing the way these guys are....I wouldn't put it past them. They're both very money driven individuals that have always made money/success a priority...even over the music itself.

[netcat]

good to hear Axl took Paul's critisism like a man and never spoke to him again.

instead of jumping out of the window