Russel Nash Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUSKBN0FM22N20140717Another plane from Malaysian Airlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Awful. 295 dead. Shot down too, by pro-Russian separatists or the Ukrain government ? Both are blaming each other.Someone posted a pic of the plane on FB just before the plane took off: 'In case it disappears, this is what it looks like...' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Awful. 295 dead. Shot down too, by pro-Russian separatists or the Ukrain government ? Both are blaming each other.Someone posted a pic of the plane on FB just before the plane took off: 'In case it disappears, this is what it looks like...'link?Ratbrain we need you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumblefeet Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Crazy, what a way to go and what a senseless act. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Fucking christ.... 300 people? Shot down?What in the hell is wrong with people? Just fuckin' all get along with one another. Unless you disagree about Axl V. Slash then you shouldn't fight! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Awful. 295 dead. Shot down too, by pro-Russian separatists or the Ukrain government ? Both are blaming each other.Someone posted a pic of the plane on FB just before the plane took off: 'In case it disappears, this is what it looks like...'link?Ratbrain we need you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Apparently, CNN felt the need to report that this isn't the same flight that's been missing for four months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Apparently, CNN felt the need to report that this isn't the same flight that's been missing for four months.They need to communicate as per the intelligence of their audience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 18 years ago today TWA 800 was shot down by the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 80 children on board, horribleUS officials are expected to make a statement on the basis of their radar data. i don't think it was Ukrainian government. i hope they are smart enough to not dig their own grave. but sure, let's wait for Ratbrain to explain us that was US - Ukraine conspiracy aimed to set up innocent Putin and for the record Ukrainians don't get along NOT with one another, they don't get along with Russian terrorists and local criminal gangs sponsored by Russia, that now hold everyone hostage in two large Ukrainian cities near Russian boarder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ukraine government very quick to point the finger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 80 children on board, horribleUS officials are expected to make a statement on the basis of their radar data. i don't think it was Ukrainian government. i hope they are smart enough to not dig their own grave. but sure, let's wait for Ratbrain to explain us that was US - Ukraine conspiracy aimed to set up innocent Putin and for the record Ukrainians don't get along NOT with one another, they don't get along with Russian terrorists and local criminal gangs sponsored by Russia, that now hold everyone hostage in two large Ukrainian cities near Russian boarder.So, what do you think, Netcat ? Russian separatists ? I believe they said that didn't have the means to shoot a plane from the sky, but apparently they acquired one at the end of June, according to a Russian press agency ? They call it a SA6, or a Kub or Buk, I've heard both, not sure which of the two is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AxlisOld Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2014 Note to self, never fly Malaysian Air. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Note to self, never fly Malaysian Air.They'll probably be finished as an airline after this and the other 777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Rebels supposedly found the black box and as the area is controlled by rebels, chances are we'll never know who is responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 according to a Russian press agency and according to North Korea press agency, their team made it to the World Cup finalall i know we need an international investigation and Ukraine already initiated one 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 according to a Russian press agency and according to North Korea press agency, their team made it to the World Cup finalall i know we need an international investigation and Ukraine already initiated oneBut wouldn't the Russians support the Russian separatist rebels ? This is not really in favor of the Russians, is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Rebels supposedly found the black box and as the area is controlled by rebels, chances are we'll never know who is responsible.A black box is not going to tell you anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) According to the media in Russia, the presidential plane was the target. They pretty much confirmed that it was an attack from Ukraine.Breaking newsPresident Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sourcesHome /News / President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sourcesPublished time: July 17, 2014 18:13Edited time: July 17, 2014 18:52 Get short URLAFP Photo / liu Jin7623474 Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.LIVE UPDATES:Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity."The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.AFP Photo / liu Jin / Tomas NoackFlight MH17 crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar, and was carrying 295 people.The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source. Edited July 17, 2014 by Russel Nash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 according to a Russian press agency and according to North Korea press agency, their team made it to the World Cup finalall i know we need an international investigation and Ukraine already initiated oneBut wouldn't the Russians support the Russian separatist rebels ? This is not really in favor of the Russians, is it ?im sorry Lio, i didn't quite get the questionbut i've just heard Russian TV reported that Ukrainian government shot down the plane by mistake, as they thought it was actually Russian plane with Putin on board... true story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Who's the idiot who approved of the flight plan? Never fly over warzones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 this is at least the 3rd plane shot down in recent weeks. Shouldn't this have been a no fly zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Rebels supposedly found the black box and as the area is controlled by rebels, chances are we'll never know who is responsible.A black box is not going to tell you anything. No, probably not. But it may be difficult to conduct an independent research in the area.according to a Russian press agency and according to North Korea press agency, their team made it to the World Cup finalall i know we need an international investigation and Ukraine already initiated oneBut wouldn't the Russians support the Russian separatist rebels ? This is not really in favor of the Russians, is it ?im sorry Lio, i didn't quite get the questionbut i've just heard Russian TV reported that Ukrainian government shot down the plane by mistake, as they thought it was actually Russian plane with Putin on board... true story The Russian press agency said that the separatists had acquired a Buk or Kub at the end of June, while now separatists say they don't have the means. So basically they contradict each other.Who's the idiot who approved of the flight plan? Never fly over warzones. This! Can't believe they'd fly over a warzone. But rest assured, KLM has now promised they won't fly over the east of Ukrain anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Common sense. They've been shooting down planes left and right. They don't distinquish between civilian and military. That is how the US is with drones. School children or terrorists, they don't care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The Russian press agency said that the separatists had acquired a Buk or Kub at the end of June, while now separatists say they don't have the means. So basically they contradict each other.apparently, terrorists initially thought they shot down Ukrainian passenger plane. one of their leaders Igor Strelkov (Russian FSB agent) bragged about it on twitter and he mentioned Buk. then it turned out it was Malaysian plane, so he changed his mind and removed his tweet (but lots of people still have printscreens of it). that's why all the confusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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