shades Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) you're right, how could anyone possibly call shooting a passenger jet out of the sky an act of terror that could possibly affect our daily routine, like 9/11 just part of the day to day Edited July 18, 2014 by shades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 You can call it anything you want, the point is most American people are sick of dealing with it (especially when it isn't our fight) and sick of it being dangled over our heads like a constant looming threat. If something is going to happen to us, it's going to happen, we don't need to go sticking our nose.into the hotbed of activity. "We need to do this!!""We don't want the country to do that, it has nothing to do with us.""TERROR! 9/11! JIHAD! MERRKA!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shades Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 the point is most American people are sick of dealing with it I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had spoken to everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 the point is most American people are sick of dealing with it I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had spoken to everyoneYou don't have to be a brilliant political scientist to know the general consensus on another invasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 "Acts of terror" has become a horrible diluted expression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Note to self, never fly Malaysian Air.Logically there's probably no safer airline in the world right now than Malaysian Air after this.Do tell.2 crashes in a year for one airline? What are the odds? Now 3 crashes? Extrapolate the odds for that and they're probably statistically by far the least likely to have another incident any time soon. You can call it anything you want, the point is most American people are sick of dealing with it (especially when it isn't our fight) and sick of it being dangled over our heads like a constant looming threat. If something is going to happen to us, it's going to happen, we don't need to go sticking our nose.into the hotbed of activity. "We need to do this!!""We don't want the country to do that, it has nothing to do with us.""TERROR! 9/11! JIHAD! MERRKA!"*stands and applauds* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentonneskeleton Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Apparently, CNN felt the need to report that this isn't the same flight that's been missing for four months.Someone I was speaking to was confused about whether this was the same one that went missing or not. So yeah, they need to be a thorough as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The main question is, if the Ukrainian authorities knew that the separatists have long-range air defense system, why they did not close the airspace?The best military expert that I know claim that the separatist do not have such a system. If the plane was hit by "Buk" system, there is no possibility of mistake, whoever did this knew it was a passenger plane. There are two options, Russian or Ukrainian army, they both have "Buk" system. In the first case the Russian army would have to enter in eastern Ukraine. Also very important to consider, which side this corresponds to, who gets victim status and broad international support. In these cases such support can make the difference between victory and defeat.No. America needs to stay the hell out of global affairs.yea, just look the other way, all of this terror stuff will just go away by itself, no worriesAnd you will bring peace and happiness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Note to self, never fly Malaysian Air.Logically there's probably no safer airline in the world right now than Malaysian Air after this.Do tell.2 crashes in a year for one airline? What are the odds? Now 3 crashes? Extrapolate the odds for that and they're probably statistically by far the least likely to have another incident any time soon.If these are independent statistical events then the fact that there's been two crashes already will not make a third any less probable. Sure, before the first crash the probability of three happening in a short time period was very low, but now after two has occurred the probability of one more is exactly the same as if one were to happen with no prior (again, the premise is that they are independent events where one event those not affect the probability of another).But these are probably dependent statistic events, meaning that after the first airplane disappeared measures have been put in effect that lower the probability of another such thing happening, and now after this crash the airliner will not fly over Ukraine any more, reducing the probability of being shot down again. So all in all, Malaysia Airlines is probably safer to fly with now than before, but it might of course still be more safe than any else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 i believe everyone who have an interest in a story have already seen this?http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1You don't have to be a brilliant political scientist to know the general consensus on another invasion.no one needs your "invasion", it's not a stone age anymore. there are other more effective methods the US could use to improve the situation in the region "Acts of terror" has become a horrible diluted expression.and how do you call it when armed groups, mainly composed of russian mercenaries, shoot down a passenger plane? innocuous prank? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 "Acts of terror" has become a horrible diluted expression.and how do you call it when armed groups, mainly composed of russian mercenaries, shoot down a passenger plane? innocuous prank?If the intention was to cause public terror by deliberately shooting down a civilian airplane, then yes, it was an act of terror. But if the intention was to shoot down a military airplane and they fucked up big time, then it wasn't.Regardless of what the intention was in this case, people are throwing the word "terror" around like confetti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Note to self, never fly Malaysian Air.Logically there's probably no safer airline in the world right now than Malaysian Air after this.Do tell.2 crashes in a year for one airline? What are the odds? Now 3 crashes? Extrapolate the odds for that and they're probably statistically by far the least likely to have another incident any time soon.If these are independent statistical events then the fact that there's been two crashes already will not make a third any less probable. Sure, before the first crash the probability of three happening in a short time period was very low, but now after two has occurred the probability of one more is exactly the same as if one were to happen with no prior (again, the premise is that they are independent events where one event those not affect the probability of another).But these are probably dependent statistic events, meaning that after the first airplane disappeared measures have been put in effect that lower the probability of another such thing happening, and now after this crash the airliner will not fly over Ukraine any more, reducing the probability of being shot down again. So all in all, Malaysia Airlines is probably safer to fly with now than before, but it might of course still be more safe than any else.You could've just agreed with me and been done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I had exactly 3 minutes to spend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 According to the media in Russia, the presidential plane was the target. They pretty much confirmed that it was an attack from Ukraine.Breaking newsPresident Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sourcesHome /News /President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sourcesPublished time: July 17, 2014 18:13Edited time: July 17, 2014 18:52 Get short URLAFP Photo / liu Jin7623474 Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.LIVE UPDATES:Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity."The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.AFP Photo / liu Jin / Tomas NoackFlight MH17 crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar, and was carrying 295 people.The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.This report has so many gaping holes in it, it's not even funny. I guarantee Putin's plane wasn't within 500 miles of a war zone. People need to think before they make up fabricated fairy tales.Exactly my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 An interesting thing I came across today. The video the Ukrainian authorities released of supposed separatists discussing the shooting down of the flight has a timestamp of July 16th....Uhm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 as far as i know there's no video, only an audioUhm... http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-mh17-intercepted-audio/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I had exactly 3 minutes to spend.Couldn't you have just had a wank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 My kids were around. Don't want to confuse and scare them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 as far as i know there's no video, only an audioUhm... http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-mh17-intercepted-audio/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Yeah and the AUDIO in that VIDEO is the same. The video has a timestamp of July 16th. Explain that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 as far as i know there's no video, only an audioUhm... http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-mh17-intercepted-audio/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Yeah and the AUDIO in that VIDEO is the same. The video has a timestamp of July 16th. Explain that. It clearly states July 17 at the top of the video. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 According to the media in Russia, the presidential plane was the target. They pretty much confirmed that it was an attack from Ukraine.Breaking newsPresident Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sourcesHome /News /President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sourcesPublished time: July 17, 2014 18:13Edited time: July 17, 2014 18:52Get short URLAFP Photo / liu Jin7623474 Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.LIVE UPDATES:Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity."The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.AFP Photo / liu Jin / Tomas NoackFlight MH17 crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar, and was carrying 295 people.The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.This report has so many gaping holes in it, it's not even funny. I guarantee Putin's plane wasn't within 500 miles of a war zone. People need to think before they make up fabricated fairy tales.Exactly my point. Look at the planes turning around over Ukraine. There were like "Oh fuck!"It makes the skies a lot more crowded because Ukraine is basically a crossroads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The missiles on the BUK must be doom If it blew up the plane in the sky.Terrorist cells will be watching on with interest I am sure, which will make flying an extreme sport hereonin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock4eva Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 This was online last night my time - around 24hrs after the plane was shot down. There are also photos of undamaged passports with people saying we are gullible (sp) to believe this happened.What are your views on all these conspiracy theories? I'm tired of them all but even more so when it's put online just after this terrible incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't give a shit. I don't want a war. This stuff happens. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Fucking conspiracy my ass, the West doesn't want a war with Russia as made perfectly clear by staying out of their friendly little expansion into the Ukraine, which would have been a perfect reason/excuse to "go to war".But in reality no Western country is dumb enough to engage the Nuclear armed Russian Bear.If there is an upside to all this, hopefully it is that the international community somehow applies enough pressure to get Putin to withdraw from the Ukraine... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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