Popular Post Iron MikeyJ Posted September 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2014 I was in attendence for the Slash/Aerosmith concert at DTE (Pine Knob) near Detroit on 9/9/14. For this review I am concentrating on just Slash's set. Let me start by saying this was the first time I have seen Slash live with any band or in any form. His guitar playing was stellar as always, and as a guitar player (me) I can honestly say he did out play both guitarists from Aerosmith. Which isn't a knock against Brad and Joe from Aerosmith, but more of an acknowledgement that Slash is indeed a superior player than them. From my memory, the band played around 10 songs; 5 gnr songs, 1 vr song (slither), Back from Cali, Anastasia, and what I'm assuming are 2 new songs from World on Fire. The band sounded good on all of Slash's solo songs, and I even enjoyed Myles on Slither. He can do an admirable job on VR tunes, I'll give him that.Ok now that I have the good out of the way, here is the bad. While I have to admit that Slash does play all guns material better than any current or former gnr guitarist. Whether Axl ever cares to admit it, but Slash's tone is a BIG part of gnr's sound. But having said that, I was very bothered by the amount of guns tunes that they played that night. I hear and read a lot about how Slash has moved on from guns, yet half of his set included guns material. I'm not saying he shouldn't play any guns songs, but half his set? I gotta call BS on that, especially considering the amount of shit Axl gets on this very forum. When clearly Slash is doing the same damn thing. Honestly I was expecting half of his set to be new songs, with older stuff peppered in. Not half the set being guns songs, hypocrite much? Now on to the guns songs that Slash played; Nightrain, Brownstone, YCBM, SCOM, and Paradise City. I knew going in that they would play some guns tunes, I was honestly expecting Nightrain, Brownstone, and perhaps SCOM and Paradise City. But I was hoping he would do more Slash heavy songs like DTJ or Civil War. I can except Myles pissing on gnr tunes like Brownstone and Nightrain, hell I'd even admit he does decent job on them. But here is my problem, Slash claims he hates SCOM yet he plays that song at every damn chance he gets. Which if he was in gnr, I would understand him having to play, but he does not have to play SCOM in his solo shows, he chooses to. Which I'm sorry, I'm calling BS on that. If you don't like the song, why do you play it so much? It wasn't a gnr concert, he could have just as easily played Civil War or DTJ instead. Again very hypocriticial imo. I also gotta call BS on him closing his show with Paradise City. Why save that song for a closer is my question? Everyone knows thats gnr's closer, so why copy it? If he wants to play it, then play it. But saving it for the closer is also a little hypocritical imo. But I can live with all of thos things, hell I even expected most of them, but what really pissed me off was YCBM. Not only would I MUCH rather hear old Axl with his Mickey Mouse voice sing that song (because old Axl is 10X the frontman Myles is), but Myles really does not do that song justice. It's way to rapid fire for him, he only sung about 75% of the vocals, with NONE of the Axl screams. While obviously Myles isn't Axl and doesn't like doing the Axl screams, they are a BIG part of those songs. They are just as essential as the guitar and drum parts imo. Would we tolerate someone covering Aerosmith songs without Tyler's trademark vocal parts? No I wouldn't, so I will definatly not accept them from Guns tunes (which are closer to my heart than Aerosmith songs). So bottom line, YCBM just plain pissed me off. But my question for Slash is why that song? It is a known Axl/Izzy song, honestly outside of the guitar solo did Slash even write any of the music to it? So why in the hell play that one, especially when your singer can't do it justice. I'm telling you all, old out of breath Axl does YCBM 10x better than Myles does. He really does folks....Finally the bottom line for me is Myles has literally no stage presence. He is literally forgetable on stage. He doesn't command the audience like Steven Tyler does, and not even close to what Axl does. Yes Slash draws your attention, very similiar to the way Joe Perry does, but not Myles Kennedy. He is a very forgetable performer imo, just as foregetable as the rest of Slash's band. They all just stand there with very little audience interaction. Which this was the last show of the tour, so it's not like they were new to these size crowds. It says to me that they might be comperable musicians, but they are not performers. Honestly all of Axl's band are better performers than Slash's band, even Ashba has better stage presence than Myles. I am not trying to start a NUgnr vs Slash's band thread, because that is not my intent. My intent is to provide my thoughts on the show, and I am not alone in my feelings. The 20 somethings that were sitting next to me also shared my feelings. I talked to them throughout Slash's set, and they all agreed with me. They were also upset with the amount of guns songs they played. One guy even said "Get those words out of your mouth you phoney." He said that during YCBM. I also got many looks during the set because I yelled "Axl, Axl, Axl" after each guns song that was played. Could the band hear from the stage? Who knows, but a a gnr fan, I wanted my opinion to be heard. As many of you know, I amk not a pro NUgnr fan, I am very clear about my reunion opinions, and honestly this concert just furthered those beliefs. This band is not that good folks, they have Slash and a bunch of no names with 0 stage presence. This is a pretty far fall from grace for Slash imo. They may be able to play the songs well, but they don't know how to perform the songs. Which if Slash keeps going with these guys, he is going to be an opening act or playing clubs for the rest of his career. His days as a headliner are over. Hell Alien Ant Farm has better stage presence than Slash's band. I don't care what anyone says, but NUgnr does put on a better show, and Axl's replacement players are at least some what entertaining, something Slash's band clearly lacks.I am writing this review not to praise Axl and trash Slash, I am writing this review in the hopes others read it and we as a fanbase can finally get what we deserve, a Guns n' Fucking Roses reunion. The time is now. Both, yes BOTH Axl and Slash are pissing away their careers with these replacement nostolgia bands. I'm sick of seeing half filled arenas at gnr shows, and I'm sick of watching an amazing guitar player open for bigger bands. Aerosmith PACKED DTE and I'm absolutly sure Guns n' Fucking Roses would as well. Hell when I was in line for the pisser, all the guys were talking about how great Guns n' Roses were. Som guys talked about seeing them at the same venue back in the 80's. They were not talking about Slash's band, they were not talking about Axl's band, they were talking about Guns n' Roses. As a hardcore gnr fan this means a lot to me. People love that band, people want that band. Listen up Slash, your band kinda sucks. Listen up Axl, your band will never be guns n roses. Come on Duff, get them back together, it's what US fans really want. Hell I even think it's what both Axl and Slash secretly want, other wise they wouldn't put such glaring knockoffs in their own bands. Myles sucks, Ashba sucks, I want Guns n' Fucking Roses!!! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Ive seen slash at 4 solo shows and once at the hof. Each time kicked ass, i cant wait until the wof tour really kicks off. Yeah, a reunion would be cool but im content (i want another gnr album though, come on ax-man!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 A reunion would be a nostalgia band too. Worse actually, because it would be a 100% corporate move and neither Axl nor Slash would be enjoying it. Both seem to be having a blast during their shows these days, even if some aspects of their performances are lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I didn't read the entire review, although I certainly would like to maybe later today.What I did notice was your criticism of You Could Be Mine. Listen, Myles isn't comfortable singing GNR songs and that is because it period. I don't think he's ever said that, but its noticeable. However, I can't do anything other than applaud his efforts. They have to be played because this is Slash after all and he has a right to play them, and Myles sings them like a champ. I think he very actively avoids singing them like Axl, as he won't use any of his famous ad libs and he avoids Axl's iconic screams. But he sings them consistently and he does the job that has be done with them for them to get played. Bottom line is no one sings like Axl used to, and Myles is the best or on par with the best that we've heard of people that mimic it. I can't name one person I think that sings them outstandingly so to me Myles is the best bet.In terms of a reunion, I do think that ship has sailed. The Hall Of Fame was probably the last big thing to get them (I have always said it) and is one of the reasons I didn't want them going in so soon because they weren't all quite ready to bury the hatchet yet. Now that thats gone, Slash is about to go on tour for his new album for the next at least year, probably year and a half. Who knows what Axl will be doing in that time period, or how good his voice will be in 2 years. I think the problem is they all have too much going on for it now, and if the time ever arose that they didn't, Axl just wouldn't have the chops for it anymore. Us whining will never bring it and I don't compare either Slash's or Axl's show to what a reunion could be cause its pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb91 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Great review and I agree with your assessment of Slash shows. I've seen Slash five times since 2010 (as he ended up playing at festivals I was going to) and have to say whilst musically all the shows were great the weak point really is Myles. Whilst he's an amazing singer the guy just has zero stage presence, sure it's all about Slash but you really need a great frontman to give a first class show. I mean Scott aint the best singer in the world but he was one hell of a performer in VR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nosaj Thing Posted September 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2014 Didn't read the entire review because I stopped when you started complaining about the set. What you saw is only half of the set he usually plays since you saw him opening for Aerosmith.Slash has the right to play whatever he wants and, as far as I remember, nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people. Your review = 0/10 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caught in a Coma Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Maybe slash plays scom because, idk, the fans like it? it's a classic, slash gives the fans what they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 Great review and I agree with your assessment of Slash shows. I've seen Slash five times since 2010 (as he ended up playing at festivals I was going to) and have to say whilst musically all the shows were great the weak point really is Myles. Whilst he's an amazing singer the guy just has zero stage presence, sure it's all about Slash but you really need a great frontman to give a first class show. I mean Scott aint the best singer in the world but he was one hell of a performer in VR. Thanks. I agree, musically they do sound good for the most part. But other than Slash they are extrememly boring to watch. I've seen better performances out of bar bands. Honestly I'd rather go see Jeff Beck or Steve Vai or another virtuoso if I'm going to watch the guitar player. Which I'm not saying Slash (himself) was bad, just very pedestrian peforomance from his band. They seemed stiff or scared or maybe thats just how they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Maybe slash plays scom because, idk, the fans like it? it's a classic, slash gives the fans what they wantObviously. End of discussion.Read the review, here's the problem with it. This is not a Slash solo show and only if you've seen one of them you'll know how different it is. The energy is different, the crowd is different and the show is different. Slash doesn't play as many GNR songs or he does but it doesn't feel overbearing during his solo shows. They are half of the set here because he is opening for Aerosmith and the crowd is mainly made up of casual fans. That is what THESE people want to hear and he's delivering. Its probably for the best because I think if they hear what they want, they may come back. Whereas if he played no GNR, they would be upset he didn't and avoid him if they ever got another chance.And as has always been said, Axl gets shit because he kept the GNR name. Totally different scenario. He can play those songs, but he is expected to further the GNR brand if he wanted to hang onto it, and he really hasn't. His set is 75% classic Guns material, without the original Guns members, and after 20 years that is pretty unacceptable. Slash's show is 30% GNR, at most, and the rest is new or his classic solo material.Sorry, but I disagree with your whole review. The only thing I agree with is Myles has bad stage presence, although yet again, I think he and the band are seen and play differently during one of their solo shows. You yelling "Axl" is as retarded as people yelling "Slash" at a GNR show. Sorry, but thats ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Axl_morris Posted September 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2014 I also got many looks during the set because I yelled "Axl, Axl, Axl" after each guns song that was played. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 And so far, the only person thats agreed is someone that has also only seen them at festivals. See a full show and it is completely different and I don't think a review is fair until you do. GNR is different, because when GNR play festivals, they are the same as their regular shows cause Axl has the name to get that slot, whereas Slash just has the ability to get billed as Slash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Didn't read the entire review because I stopped when you started complaining about the set. What you saw is only half of the set he usually plays since you saw him opening for Aerosmith.Slash has the right to play whatever he wants and, as far as I remember, nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people. Your review = 0/10So nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people??? Are you new here??? He gets shit everytime.Look I agree folks, Slash can play whatever guns songs he wants, but when half your set is guns songs I'm gonna call him out on that. Espcially when he has a new album. Obviously as an opener he is limited in time, but he choose to play the songs, thats my point. He could have came out and played only 2 or 3 guns songs and I would have said "ok, thats cool." Like I said in my review, it was YCBM that crossed the line for me. That's like Axl playing Coma or DTJ imo. You know Axl isn't going to play those songs, you just know. The other songs I didn't really have much of an issue with, but YCBM is some BS.Your review of my review 0/10 Edited September 13, 2014 by Mike420 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caught in a Coma Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Didn't read the entire review because I stopped when you started complaining about the set. What you saw is only half of the set he usually plays since you saw him opening for Aerosmith.Slash has the right to play whatever he wants and, as far as I remember, nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people. Your review = 0/10So nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people??? Are you new here??? He gets shit everytime.Look I agree folks, Slash can play whatever guns songs he wants, but when half your set is guns songs I'm gonna call him out on that. Espcially when he has a new album. Obviously as an opener he is limited in time, but he choose to play the songs, thats my point. He could have came out and played only 2 or 3 guns songs and I would have said "ok, thats cool." Like I said in my review, it was YCBM that crossed the line for me. That's like Axl playing Coma or DTJ imo. You know Axl isn't going to play those songs, you just know. The other songs I didn't really have much of an issue with, but YCBM is some BS.Your review of my review 0/10ahaha crossed the line? He can play an all gnr song set if he wants. We was the guitarist on the material after all. Axl gets shit because he acted like he wanted to distance himself from gnrs past, yet he plays mostly old songs and covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Saw him in July opening for Aerosmith. He was fuckin awesome. That's my review. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slash23579 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I saw Slash at the MGM Grand last month. It kicked ass! But I did enjoy the GnR show I saw June 4th more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people??? Are you new here??? He gets shit everytime.Nope. Nobody. Name one person who complains about Rose performing Gn'R songs. Axl gets shit for being shit, for sounding like shit and not giving a shit about his fans.Look I agree folks, Slash can play whatever guns songs he wants, but when half your set is guns songs I'm gonna call him out on that. Espcially when he has a new album. Obviously as an opener he is limited in time, but he choose to play the songs, thats my point. He could have came out and played only 2 or 3 guns songs and I would have said "ok, thats cool."Yes, but it is not his show, it's an Aerosmith show and he has to play what those Aerosmith fans and possibly Gn'R casual fans want to hear. You're not calling anybody out, Slash doesn't know you exist.Like I said in my review, it was YCBM that crossed the line for me. That's like Axl playing Coma or DTJ imo. You know Axl isn't going to play those songs, you just know. The other songs I didn't really have much of an issue with, but YCBM is some BS.No, it's not like Axl playing Coma or... DTJ? lol. Axl won't be performing those songs because 1. Coma is impossible for Axl to sing. 2. DTJ is not a song most people want to hear. None of those reasons have anything to do with Slash.If you accept Axl sounding like utter shit, then you can't complain about Myles singing YCBM.Your review of my review 0/10I didn't make a review of your review. I rated your review. I now understand why people call you Mikeshit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Nosaj just said it perfectly. Mike was apparently ignoring my comments, but I don't how he could respond after what Nosaj said. Perfect and concise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 What Nosaj and gunsfanoldie said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Didn't read the entire review because I stopped when you started complaining about the set. What you saw is only half of the set he usually plays since you saw him opening for Aerosmith.Slash has the right to play whatever he wants and, as far as I remember, nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people. Your review = 0/10Nosaj, come on, many posters here give GNR shit about living off the old stuff. You know that. It surprised me that Slash still plays a lot of Guns songs, because many here say Slash has moved on and Axl hasn't and I hadn't followed him at all, so I just thought he might've played one or two GNR songs and that's it, because, you know, he has a larger catalogue to choose from. (Duh.)Of course Slash can play those songs, he has the right to play those songs, and I'm sure the fans love to hear him play those songs, but I think some are a bit unfair when they bash Axl because he plays old songs (with GNR) and then say Slash just gives the fans what they want.So in that regard I see what Mike's saying.As to his review, I don't know, haven't seen Slash & Myles live YET, but I'll post my review in november 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Its totally not fair to bash slash. Hes released 3 albums in the past 5 years alone and always crams recent material in his set. Axl has released 15 songs in 21 years and only tends to play 4 to 5 of those songs a year now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Great review. Thanks for taking the time to post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Didn't read the entire review because I stopped when you started complaining about the set. What you saw is only half of the set he usually plays since you saw him opening for Aerosmith.Slash has the right to play whatever he wants and, as far as I remember, nobody gives Axl shit for performing songs he wrote with other people. Your review = 0/10you remember wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Back in '09 - '10, Axl was playing 8 to 10 CD songs on tour. No one gave him shit about playing the old songs because he was pretty focused on the new material, the old material was more like a bonus. Now the classic tunes are basically the whole show. People didn't bitch about setlists until after that tour. So no, there wasn't always whining about being a nostalgia act, until it actually became a nostalgia act. That, and the fact that Axl just can't sing a lot of those songs anymore leads to most of the criticism now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I want Guns n' Fucking Roses!!!Well, you can't have em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbo Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) People don't give Axl shit for playing the old songs, name or no name. It's the amount of emphasis it makes up in the setlist after all these years that people give him shit for. That after all this time, the old songs that the current nu band had nothing to do with are still used as such a clutch to put asses in the seats. I (and most people) NEVER expected or wanted Axl to stop playing old guns songs altogether, but he and the nu line up would be more respected if they had an equal amount, or a more delicate balance of their OWN material making up the setlist. Especially after all the time and money they invested into this material. Which was a helluva lot. Aside from 2010, that hasn't really happened. And for the last couple of years, nu songs have been played at a absolute minimum for piss breaks, aside from a rare show or two. And it just comes off as a bit cheap.Slash was just an opening act at this particular show, and even then played a more delicate balance of a gnr heyday/post gnr heyday ratio than Axl has in the past several years. On the regular, gnr songs (as in again, the 87-91 material people care about) make up the minimum of Slash's setlist, which I honestly find respectable as he and Myles could easily do the opposite and attract way more of a casual audience. Meanwhile, Axl is milking that heyday cow dry now more than ever, and then wonders why nobody takes his career seriously as a creative entity anymore. Including us. Go figure Edited September 13, 2014 by Bobbo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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