Apollo Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 And I'm solely talking about the MUSIC WORLD. I'm not making light of the word Tragedy. Sickness, homeless, wars, etc - those all rank miles ahead of music issues.But just in terms of music, what do you think the biggest tragedies are?1. The Day The Music Died.........1959. A plane crash took the lives of 22-year-old Buddy Holly, 17-year-old Richie Valens and 28-year-old Big Bopper. The biggest loss there (musically) was Buddy Holly. At just 22 years old look at what he did and what's been said about his brief career:*Lennon/McCartney both cited him as being one of the biggest influences of their careers. Everybody from Keith Richards to Bruce Springstein to Bob Dylan have praised him.* Started the current rock format of 2 guitar, bass, drums. Also changed the way music was recorded in the studio.* While Elvis sang other people's songs, Buddy wrote his own material, could play all the instruments, and he produced most of their work. * First all white group to perform at the famous Apollo TheatreAt 22 years old he accomplished more than 99.99% of famous musicians accomplish in their entire careers. If his career would have continued as it had for this brief two years, we'd be talking about him ahead of - or on the same level of - as The Beatles and Elvis. Without a doubt.2. Axl Rose's lack of released musicI know, people will quote a few other bands that had limited releases.But imo, Axl Rose is the most talented, interesting, fascinating frontman of our generation. Not only is one of the best rock singers, but he brought an animal magnetism to the stage, a sense of danger, excitement. Going to see GnR was an event - not just a rock concert. He has been, and still is, one of the very select few musicians who could still be a game-changer in the industry. Another album by hall of fame rock acts like Metallica or Bon Jovi is no doubt pleasing to their fans, but what impact will it really have on the rock world? Even U2's new album isn't going to do much to the overall landscape of music. But an Axl Rose or new GnR album?Now people argue about where he fits in the list of top rock frontmen of all time. Fans will say he is number one or top three. Regular rock fans will put him in the top 10. Now think about this. Jungle. Nov Rain. PC. SCOM. You Could Be Mine. Patience. Don't Cry. RQ. Nightrain. Better. TWAT. Catcher. You're Crazy. It's So Easy. Estranged. Got those songs in your head? Now double them. Imagine if his catalog contained all those songs - times two. If Axl had released those songs (and an equal number again), there would be absolutely NO DISCUSSION at all about who was the greatest rock singer of all time. It would be Axl Rose is number one - without question, and then debate about Mercury, Plant, etc for the 2nd spot.3. Randy Rhoads.He died way too young and before his talent was able to really be completely showcased.Every so often a new guitar player comes around that changes/revolutionizes the way guitar is played. Obviously from my generation, guys like Eddie Van Halen was the 'God' that inspired thousands of young guitar players. Rhoads unique style, imo, would have eventually landed him in the same atmosphere at Van Halen, and his place in history would be on even keel with the rock greats of all time. He was a guy that people would go see a band specifically to hear him play.OBVIOUSLY I'm making some big assumptions on all three. Nobody knows what they would have created. I'm just basing this on what they did create, and if they could have continued that same level of success forward.Your choices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Amy Winehouse was a sad loss of talent, young enough to have achieved much more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) the lynyrd skynyrd plane crash in 1977the overdose death of tommy bolinrandy rhodes crashdimebag shot on stage Edited September 24, 2014 by bran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Not strictly rock music though. I didn't read that bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Phil Lynott dying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlslash Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Dimebag getting shot on stageDonningtonThe Who Cincinnati show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) the black album by metallica.(anything after and justice really) Edited September 24, 2014 by bran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sidney Vicious dying at 21 years old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 how have you idiots not mentioned john getting shot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Phil Lynott was only 36 when he died from septicemia. Ireland's first rock star and Thin Lizzy were a great band. Statue of Phil in Dublin. Axl has this tattooed on his arm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 the death of GG Allin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulla Lex Ink. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Layne Staley wasting away for seven years, dying alone and not being found until a good two weeks had passed. Edited September 24, 2014 by Nulla Lex Ink. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Phil Lynott was only 36 when he died from septicemia. Ireland's first rock star and Thin Lizzy were a great band. Statue of Phil in Dublin. Axl has this tattooed on his arm. Great post man! Thin Lizzy perfected the dueling guitars. They must have been one of the pioneers of it. Edited September 24, 2014 by wkuk04 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay410 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The tragedies would of course be any number of musician deaths, Bonham, Hendrix, but the ones that kill me are the self inflicted ones (outside of suicide or negligence). As far as self inflicted tragedies, Guns N' Roses will forever be one of Rock music's most tragic "what could have been's". If they stuck it out, they very well could have risen to the Zeppelin/Stones level of greatness. There's an equal chance that they would have washed out anyway, except together, releasing rehash albums or trying to follow the times and failing. The sad part is we'll never know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Everyone knows the obvious ones from the 27 club. Some of the older musicians tend to get forgotten about. I mean , Roy Orbison was only 52 when he died. His life was full of tragedy. His wife died in a traffic accident and two years later his two sons burned to death in a house fire. After years in the wilderness he had just made a comeback with The Travelling Wilburys and an album with You Got It. After complaining of chest pains he dropped dead from a massive heart attack. Awful loss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wkuk04 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Thin Lizzy have some awesome songs. Think part of Phil Lynott died when Lizzy broke up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 http://www.readjunk.com/articles/top-25-most-tragic-deaths-in-music-history/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Layne Staley wasting away for seven years, dying alone and not being found until a good two weeks had passed.I read about that in Rolling Stone while on Holiday in 2002. Great vocalist. Shame how he went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Marvin Gaye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmapelian Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 And I'm solely talking about the MUSIC WORLD. I'm not making light of the word Tragedy. Sickness, homeless, wars, etc - those all rank miles ahead of music issues.But just in terms of music, what do you think the biggest tragedies are?1. The Day The Music Died.........1959. A plane crash took the lives of 22-year-old Buddy Holly, 17-year-old Richie Valens and 28-year-old Big Bopper. The biggest loss there (musically) was Buddy Holly. At just 22 years old look at what he did and what's been said about his brief career:*Lennon/McCartney both cited him as being one of the biggest influences of their careers. Everybody from Keith Richards to Bruce Springstein to Bob Dylan have praised him.* Started the current rock format of 2 guitar, bass, drums. Also changed the way music was recorded in the studio.* While Elvis sang other people's songs, Buddy wrote his own material, could play all the instruments, and he produced most of their work. * First all white group to perform at the famous Apollo TheatreAt 22 years old he accomplished more than 99.99% of famous musicians accomplish in their entire careers. If his career would have continued as it had for this brief two years, we'd be talking about him ahead of - or on the same level of - as The Beatles and Elvis. Without a doubt.2. Axl Rose's lack of released musicI know, people will quote a few other bands that had limited releases.But imo, Axl Rose is the most talented, interesting, fascinating frontman of our generation. Not only is one of the best rock singers, but he brought an animal magnetism to the stage, a sense of danger, excitement. Going to see GnR was an event - not just a rock concert. He has been, and still is, one of the very select few musicians who could still be a game-changer in the industry. Another album by hall of fame rock acts like Metallica or Bon Jovi is no doubt pleasing to their fans, but what impact will it really have on the rock world? Even U2's new album isn't going to do much to the overall landscape of music. But an Axl Rose or new GnR album?Now people argue about where he fits in the list of top rock frontmen of all time. Fans will say he is number one or top three. Regular rock fans will put him in the top 10. Now think about this. Jungle. Nov Rain. PC. SCOM. You Could Be Mine. Patience. Don't Cry. RQ. Nightrain. Better. TWAT. Catcher. You're Crazy. It's So Easy. Estranged. Got those songs in your head? Now double them. Imagine if his catalog contained all those songs - times two. If Axl had released those songs (and an equal number again), there would be absolutely NO DISCUSSION at all about who was the greatest rock singer of all time. It would be Axl Rose is number one - without question, and then debate about Mercury, Plant, etc for the 2nd spot.3. Randy Rhoads.He died way too young and before his talent was able to really be completely showcased.Every so often a new guitar player comes around that changes/revolutionizes the way guitar is played. Obviously from my generation, guys like Eddie Van Halen was the 'God' that inspired thousands of young guitar players. Rhoads unique style, imo, would have eventually landed him in the same atmosphere at Van Halen, and his place in history would be on even keel with the rock greats of all time. He was a guy that people would go see a band specifically to hear him play.OBVIOUSLY I'm making some big assumptions on all three. Nobody knows what they would have created. I'm just basing this on what they did create, and if they could have continued that same level of success forward.Your choices?I agree with all 3, but rather than Axl it would be the death of the afd/uyi lineups and the music we never got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 http://mikegattoisasweetdude.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/10-definitive-moments-in-the-history-of-new-guns-n-roses/Sums up the tragedy of Axl Rose pretty well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Layne Staley wasting away for seven years, dying alone and not being found until a good two weeks had passed.definitely, phil lynott's death was another good one.the death of david gold is another tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Randy Rhoads and Cliff Burton Stevie Ray Vaughan DimebagJohn LennonSkynyrdNeil Peart's wife and daughter within 2 years. Freddie Mercury Brad Nowell missing out on Sublime's album becoming a big hit. Jaco Pastorius - beaten to death by a fucking bouncer. Trujillo's documentary will probably go into what happened. Harry Chapin, Jim CroceKaren CarpenterKirsty MacColl - run over by a mogul with a speedboat who was never charged.Marvin Gaye Otis ReddingJeff BuckleyTerry Kath of ChicagoDennis Wilson - he did a lot of drugs and partied with Manson, but it was his diving in a boat marina looking for stuff on the bottom that killed him. Jim Gordon (drummer, co-wrote Layla, killed his mother)Roy Orbison Keith Relf (Yardbirds) - got grounded to his guitar. Robert Plant losing his son and Bonzo within a couple of years. Nico - fell off a bike Hanoi RocksShania Twain for losing her parents and having to work at a young age, and her best friend fucking her husband Mutt Lange behind her back. Syd BarrettThe Ramones dying after the band broke up. Badfinger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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