bacardimayne Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I've always been on the EVH side in the Randy vs Eddie debate. But I still love Randy's playing though, def one my all time favorite guitar players. My biggest knock against Randy is his Quiet Riot stuff. Those albums he did with them are just plain bad. Not that he was bad per say, but he was not the guy that played with ozzy, thats for sure. Ozzy clearly brought out the best in him, which I don't think Ozzy always gets the credit for doing. But having said that, those albums were released around the same time as Van Halen 1 and 2, so by comparision EVH was MILES a head of Randy at that point in their careers. Which I'm not knocking Randy overall, but I do think most RR fans like to gloss right over those albums. Which even VH3 pisses all over those Quiet Riot albums, so for me overall EVH>RR. Because Eddie at his worst, was much better than Randy at his worst.Fair enough on the quiet riot albums, but Randy at his best was better than Eddie at his best imo, and keep in mind he hasn't had 40 years to perfect his craft like Eddie has. Who's to say how much better he would have gotten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 @Bicardi,You maybe correct, his upside could have been higher than Eddie's, but we shall never know. But as I said before, his worst work (QR) is still worst than VH3. Besides it's hard to talk potential when so little of his work has been heard. Randy's dicography makes Axl's look like AC/DC. That's why I only judge based upon what has been created, and based upon that EVH is the clear winner imo. Also EVH does indeed play better on Van Halen 1 than Randy does on either Ozzy album. Which that isn't a knock against RR, it's just more of a praise on EVH. I've heard some people say "he didn't write a decent solo until Hagar joined the band" or "they are all just noodles and wanker noises." Which that argument does hold water, especially on Women and Children First and Fair Warning. But not on VH 1, he played his ass off on that fucker. Honestly I'd rank it as the #1 guitar (studio) performance of all time. Even Jimi, Page, and others don't sound as good as EVH does on that first album imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 AFDVH 1Iron MaidenAerosmithHints, Allegations & Things Left UnsaidSixteen StoneCoreSkid RowThe SicknessFacelift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Bout time someone mentikned Skid Row. No one mentioned Boston, the top selling debut of all time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Appetite for DestructionAre You Experienced?Led ZeppelinTenAerosmithBostonDefinitely MaybeBlizzard of OzzFaceliftSkid Row Edited October 8, 2014 by rocknroll41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 AFDWolfmotherKISSTenIron MaidenKill 'Em AllDefinitely Maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 fuck this list is hard to compile....AFD hands downTo Fast for Love.. not really a debut album and released after Shout at the Devil. I have a leathur records vinyl copy of this one.Shout at the DevilVan HalenDef Leppards On Through the NightLynard SkynerdsQueensBob DylanThin LizzyKill em all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misch Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 1) The Stone Roses - st 2) Oasis - Definitely Maybe3) Arcade Fire - Funeral4) GNR - AFD5) Ramones - st 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Generation TerroristsDefinitely MaybeAppetite for Destruction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 fuck this list is hard to compile....AFD hands downTo Fast for Love.. not really a debut album and released after Shout at the Devil. I have a leathur records vinyl copy of this one.Shout at the DevilVan HalenDef Leppards On Through the NightLynard SkynerdsQueensBob DylanThin LizzyKill em allToo Fast For Love counts, sometimes if I'm having a problem deciding one or the other, I'll just make it a "tie", or drop one off, because lists change and can throw it back up there later.If you ever take a look at a magazine or website "greatest of all time" list, they're always changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 fuck this list is hard to compile....AFD hands downTo Fast for Love.. not really a debut album and released after Shout at the Devil. I have a leathur records vinyl copy of this one.Shout at the DevilVan HalenDef Leppards On Through the NightLynard SkynerdsQueensBob DylanThin LizzyKill em allToo Fast For Love was released in 1981, Shout At The Devil was released in 1983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I forgot to put Rage Against The Machine on my list, so the Doors are getting bumped, Rage is my #10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 fuck this list is hard to compile....AFD hands downTo Fast for Love.. not really a debut album and released after Shout at the Devil. I have a leathur records vinyl copy of this one.Shout at the DevilVan HalenDef Leppards On Through the NightLynard SkynerdsQueensBob DylanThin LizzyKill em allToo Fast For Love was released in 1981, Shout At The Devil was released in 1983On Leathur records ..in this respect its like Live Like a Suicide... that morphed into Lies.... it was recorded for demo by the band. After Motley got signed to a major contract with national exposure... then Shout At the Devil is what is considered their debut album. If AFD is considered the greatest debut album by a hard rock act ... you would have to say No, ` Live like a Suicide is their debut. After Crue were on the a roll To Fast For Love was released to major audiences. I had a copy of the Leathur Records version: It was clear up to Dr. Feelgood and most people had never heard it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 fuck this list is hard to compile....AFD hands downTo Fast for Love.. not really a debut album and released after Shout at the Devil. I have a leathur records vinyl copy of this one.Shout at the DevilVan HalenDef Leppards On Through the NightLynard SkynerdsQueensBob DylanThin LizzyKill em allToo Fast For Love was released in 1981, Shout At The Devil was released in 1983 On Leathur records ..in this respect its like Live Like a Suicide... that morphed into Lies.... it was recorded for demo by the band. After Motley got signed to a major contract with national exposure... then Shout At the Devil is what is considered their debut album. If AFD is considered the greatest debut album by a hard rock act ... you would have to say No, ` Live like a Suicide is their debut. After Crue were on the a roll To Fast For Love was released to major audiences. I had a copy of the Leathur Records version: It was clear up to Dr. Feelgood and most people had never heard it.You may want to check your facts before speaking about something you clearly know nothing about. Yes, Lethür was the first pressing of TFFL (there were actually 3 pressings done). Elektra signed them soon after and the album was remixed and rereleased in August of 1982, almost an entire *year* before Shout was, since Shout was released in September 1983. There is literally no scenario in which you could say Shout is their debut as that is factually incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 fuck this list is hard to compile....AFD hands downTo Fast for Love.. not really a debut album and released after Shout at the Devil. I have a leathur records vinyl copy of this one.Shout at the DevilVan HalenDef Leppards On Through the NightLynard SkynerdsQueensBob DylanThin LizzyKill em allToo Fast For Love was released in 1981, Shout At The Devil was released in 1983 On Leathur records ..in this respect its like Live Like a Suicide... that morphed into Lies.... it was recorded for demo by the band. After Motley got signed to a major contract with national exposure... then Shout At the Devil is what is considered their debut album. If AFD is considered the greatest debut album by a hard rock act ... you would have to say No, ` Live like a Suicide is their debut. After Crue were on the a roll To Fast For Love was released to major audiences. I had a copy of the Leathur Records version: It was clear up to Dr. Feelgood and most people had never heard it.You may want to check your facts before speaking about something you clearly know nothing about. Yes, Lethür was the first pressing of TFFL (there were actually 3 pressings done). Elektra signed them soon after and the album was remixed and rereleased in August of 1982, almost an entire *year* before Shout was, since Shout was released in September 1983. There is literally no scenario in which you could say Shout is their debut as that is factually incorri know nothing about... ok... but I do.. and Wiki make you the hero of the day . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 TIL:A debut album by a band isn't a debut album unless its on a major label, and even when it is released on a major label a year prior to the second album, its still not their debut if nobody's ever heard itA 4 song EP is equvilant to an albumKnowing a lot about Mötley Crüe makes you a wiki hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 The Chronic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 Get the fuck out, dre is not rock and the thread specifically states top 10 rock debut albums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 dio- holy diverboston-bostonblack sabbath-black sabbathgnr- AFDrainbow- ritchie blackmores rainbowramones- ramonesentombed- left hand pathopeth- orchidlynyrd skynyrd- lynyrd skynyrdmetallica- kill em alliron maiden- iron maidenparadise lost- lost paradiseac/dc- high voltagesodom- obsessed by crueltydeath- scream bloody gorekatatonia- dance of december souls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Then why is his rap group nominated for induction into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Then why is his rap group nominated for induction into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame?ZOMG SNOT ROCK ERMAHGERD YER CERNT HAF RAP IN THE ROCK ROLL HARL UF FAYMMM! POISON 1987 MAN ROCK ON COOL DUDES WOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 Then why is his rap group nominated for induction into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame?Because the Hall is a joke now get your hipster n word dropper out of this Rock thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 lol, who should i listen to, the ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME or some hooray for tolerance! who takes steel panther seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Then why is his rap group nominated for induction into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame?This is not the hall of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) We have more dignity than the HOF. Higher standards as well. Edited October 18, 2014 by Mike420 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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