The Case of the Missing GNR Album

[Val22]

I voted that Axl has kind of given up.

After the release of CD, I think Axl released that there aren't many GNR fans who want new music without the original members. I don't think the record label gave it good promotion. Only selling it at Best Buy was a mistake. I think more people would have bought it online anywhere it was sold.

I think Axl is happy with touring and singing the old songs as well as CD songs. Since the fans still come out to here GNR play, I don't think Axl feels he needs to put himself out there with new music. I think he feels no one will think it's as good as the other albums with the original members.

It's sad really because I'm sure Axl has many amazing ideas for songs or has them already done. I think the politics of releasing an album these days is if you're not played on the radio, no one cares.

[wasted]

The label must be waiting for the iTunes deal. Silkworms uploads automatically on everyone's hard drive.

Just imagine the lawsuits.

This is the promo we been dreaming of.

Silkworms vs. iTunes

[axlsalinger]

A lot of people have weighed in on this mystery so far. Top 3 results:

1. The man don't give a fuck anymore.

2. Unreasonable demands from the record company.

3. Incomplete fragments and songs without vocals.

I find # 3 hard to believe. The songs may be all over the map stylistically, they may be of varying quality, and they may still need a final mix, but I do believe there's lots of completed songs.

The more I think about it, the more I lean towards # 2. It isn't clear why anyone would waste years of their life trying to "wait out" a company that doesn't really care that much to begin with, but Axl is that stubborn. The label spent a shitload of money on the CD sessions, and I can see where they wouldn't want to spend a penny more on it. Is Axl demanding they pay for studio time? Why couldn't he finance that himself? Is he holding out for a huge advance? It is possible that the label wants nothing more to do with the band at all outside of a reunion, but at the end of the day $$$ means a lot more to those people than worrying about a decade-old grudge. Even more of a mystery is why neither side has really said anything about these negotiations.

Then again, Del did say a while back that it'll come out when it's ready to come out, so maybe it still just needs those finishing touches after all .....

On the surface, I suppose the idea that Axl's just completely given up on his artistic vision of a nuGNR is probably the most logical explanation.

[14 Years Of Silence]

Axl doesn't want to deal with the record company because that would be a drag. He doesn't do anything anymore that negatively impacts his personal well being.

[Nosaj Thing]

So, are we blaming the record company again for Axl Rose own incompetence and insecurity?

[axlsalinger]

Trying to solve the mystery of GNR is a little like who killed Kennedy. The band is Kennedy, but who did it? I mean, a good portion of the facts point in one direction. But so many people remain silent on the matter. Little pieces of evidence point in all directions. Several witnesses swear they saw a man with a top hat on the grassy knoll.

The answer will probably never be knowable.

[bigcountry]

I think the album(s) are already done and have been for a while.

Axl has a contract UMG and there is really nothing he can do about how the album is released as far as when or what kind of promotion is given to the release.

I think it is UMG holding everything up just because they can and they fucked up release of CD and how very little promotion was given by UMG and basically none by Axl, they had a pissing contest and they both lost but they left Best Buy holding the bag. Financially the Best Buy deal helped re cope most of the cost of all the songs recorded up until that point including the other albums we have not heard but as far as album sales it was a very poor choice due to the lack of stores outside of big cities.

Also Axl putting the songs on myspace or whatever, several days before the album was released really ham stringed the sales, I don't know if Axl was trying to do that or he thought it would help but if I was a guessing man he done it out of spite to get back at UMG but by doing so he also hurt his pocket book but Axl is the type person that if he thanks he is getting fucked he will get you back at all costs and that includes his own pocket book and reputation. It doesn't matter to him he wants to win the fuck me, I'll Fuck back contest and he is one up on you then he is happy but until then, game on.

I really think UMG is working Axl over for all the shit he has caused with the whole CD thing, they are not innocent either though they rejected the album 2 times and I think when Axl turned it over to UMG for the last time he said here it is take or leave it. The all the shit before and after the release was there pissing contest.

UMG with Azoff as manager was going for a reunion of bust and when Azoff said to UMG it ain't going to happen and they conceded by releasing CD and Azoff the master mind of reunions jumped ship soon after which does add weight to this agreement.

I hope they see the light of day with or without a reunion and if we do get a reunion I would love for a new album to happen but that is not likely to happen.

[wasted]

I thought Azzof was brought in because he had this Best Buy deal. But once they got the money he tried to set up a reunion tour and dropped the ball on CD promo. The label kind of saw the BB deal as the end of it. And maybe there's nobody that cares about the rest of the material, but a reunion would be another thing.

[Rovim]

I thought Azzof was brought in because he had this Best Buy deal. But once they got the money he tried to set up a reunion tour and dropped the ball on CD promo. The label kind of saw the BB deal as the end of it. And maybe there's nobody that cares about the rest of the material, but a reunion would be another thing.

Tiny evil reunion midget was shifty as fuck. That helped with getting Chinese out imo. We need another shifty character to get CD ll out. Kaneda gave it a shot and moved shit around in the bowls of new Gn'R as well. It's all very weird.

[wasted]

I thought Azzof was brought in because he had this Best Buy deal. But once they got the money he tried to set up a reunion tour and dropped the ball on CD promo. The label kind of saw the BB deal as the end of it. And maybe there's nobody that cares about the rest of the material, but a reunion would be another thing.

Tiny evil reunion midget was shifty as fuck. That helped with getting Chinese out imo. We need another shifty character to get CD ll out. Kaneda gave it a shot and moved shit around in the bowls of new Gn'R as well. It's all very weird.

I could see the problem before, the 14 mil production costs. Not that GNR make 100s of mils for the label.

Right now it seems like a lot of work to really work a cd around the world. Physically Ron and Tommy may look at another decade of democracy and be making funeral plans. Dj and Fortus seem to still a bit frisky.

Maybe they should just take up longer residency in Vegas and launch CD II in a casino.

[Rovim]

I thought Azzof was brought in because he had this Best Buy deal. But once they got the money he tried to set up a reunion tour and dropped the ball on CD promo. The label kind of saw the BB deal as the end of it. And maybe there's nobody that cares about the rest of the material, but a reunion would be another thing.

Tiny evil reunion midget was shifty as fuck. That helped with getting Chinese out imo. We need another shifty character to get CD ll out. Kaneda gave it a shot and moved shit around in the bowls of new Gn'R as well. It's all very weird.

I could see the problem before, the 14 mil production costs. Not that GNR make 100s of mils for the label.

Right now it seems like a lot of work to really work a cd around the world. Physically Ron and Tommy may look at another decade of democracy and be making funeral plans. Dj and Fortus seem to still a bit frisky.

Maybe they should just take up longer residency in Vegas and launch CD II in a casino.

Or in my big russian wedding. (I wish, I'm not russian, I like their chicks with heavy accent)

Fortus is a soldier of fortune, Bumble is a cry bwaby with a heart of gold, Tommy revenge of the zombie drunks "gotta get paid" stinson, Dj I WILL sell you a car Ashba.

The line up is as strong as ever.

[axlsalinger]

Dizzy is the lifer in the office waiting to get his gold watch.

[wasted]

Dizzy will get fired or shot in his last week before retirement trying to go cowboy and get CD II released. Your butts skimming on thin ice as it is, dizzy!

Pitman: synthomatic immunity.

Axl: it's been invoked!

[magisme]

spampost, spampost, spampost

[maynard]

spampost, spampost, spampost

[wasted]

spampost, spampost, spampost

Dizzy will get fired or shot in his last week before retirement trying to go cowboy and get CD II released. Your butts skimming on thin ice as it is, dizzy!

Pitman: synthomatic immunity.

Axl: it's been invoked!

[Nosaj Thing]

spampost, spampost, spampost

[niceguy]

How hard is it to see that Axl just does not WANT to release any music ever again?

[WarpedFX]

Nobody cares about Chinese Democracy. It would've made waves if it came out 10 yeas before it did, but by the time it was out it was already old news. Why would more of that be any better now? I doubt this is like wine getting better with age.

I mean don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the album but my tastes are hardly representative of the market as a whole.

[wasted]

How hard is it to see that Axl just does not WANT to release any music ever again?

The last time he spoke he said the opposite of this though.

Why are you so desperate for him not to release anything, especially as you don't know what he wants to do?

It doesn't matter if he does or doesn't really. It's not massively important.

[fred_carston]

Axl wanted C.D. to set the world alight. For one reason and another it didn't.

Reason: it's a completely mediocre album.

If it had been the best album ever put to disc it would still have died on its arse. With the fluke exception of AC/DC, the rock album is over and has been for quite some time. I imagine Axl found that a pretty rude awakening.

the year CD came out ACDC and Metallica both had number 1 albums that sold and sold. CD didn't because it wasn't very good

[jmapelian]

Axl wanted C.D. to set the world alight. For one reason and another it didn't.

Reason: it's a completely mediocre album.

If it had been the best album ever put to disc it would still have died on its arse. With the fluke exception of AC/DC, the rock album is over and has been for quite some time. I imagine Axl found that a pretty rude awakening.

the year CD came out ACDC and Metallica both had number 1 albums that sold and sold. CD didn't because it wasn't very good

Well if he doesn't care about money or what people think then none of this matter right? Oh well, there goes that myth.

[Rovim]

CD ll will definitely be released soon-ish. I just "know" it. 2 to 3 years.

[axlsalinger]

I don't think soon'ish is the word.

[Apollo]

How hard is it to see that Axl just does not WANT to release any music ever again?

Why are you so desperate for him not to release anything, especially as you don't know what he wants to do?

It doesn't matter if he does or doesn't really. It's not massively important.

I'm not a fan of this new tone you've taken recently about how it isn't important for Axl to release new music.

Certainly as a die-hard fan of his, you'd love to hear several more new albums over the rest of Axl's career? The guy is one of, if not the, most talented rock singer of our times. Why in the world would you be satisfied with him releasing one album every 20 years?