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Len Cnut

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Russell Brand is about the most precious thing in contemporary pop culture, in a landscape of...well, total fucking tripe there's one fuckin' lad out there who just covers all bases, intellect with smugness, working class sense of humour but without being cloddish with it, his literary interests are top draw, he's the fuckin' complete article as far as I'm concerned, top fuckin' lad. y'know every so often that person comes along whoose just right, everything about him is right and it's like yes, finally, the wait is over, there's one of the boys in the mix for the first time in ages.

And I'm sorry but you can't just lump him in with 'x' celebrity on a political kick, the boy is seriously serious. People like him are more and more important the bleaker shit gets.

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I got halfway through reading that article and realised I still had no idea of the reason why he was giving that interview, so gave up.

I used to have a lot of time for Russell Brand, but now I find him mostly annoying. I can't blame him for becoming an ambassador for political issues, if I didn't have a pressing economic need to work, I'd also become a preachy, politically active self-imposed working class hero, visionary Che-type. More power to him, he stands for some pretty virtuous causes, but the nature of his persona makes him irritating. There are many people who give their lives to social justice, but because they haven't had a successful career in stand-up comedy, (and are likely to behave with a little more humility) they don't get to give interviews reminiscing about how talented they were in Primary school to the Guardian.

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I got halfway through reading that article and realised I still had no idea of the reason why he was giving that interview, so gave up.

I used to have a lot of time for Russell Brand, but now I find him mostly annoying. I can't blame him for becoming an ambassador for political issues, if I didn't have a pressing economic need to work, I'd also become a preachy, politically active self-imposed working class hero, visionary Che-type. More power to him, he stands for some pretty virtuous causes, but the nature of his persona makes him irritating. There are many people who give their lives to social justice, but because they haven't had a successful career in stand-up comedy, (and are likely to behave with a little more humility) they don't get to give interviews reminiscing about how talented they were in Primary school to the Guardian.

If there's a revolution and I'm leader you're gonna be my chief propagandist/bullshit detector.
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I got halfway through reading that article and realised I still had no idea of the reason why he was giving that interview, so gave up.

I used to have a lot of time for Russell Brand, but now I find him mostly annoying. I can't blame him for becoming an ambassador for political issues, if I didn't have a pressing economic need to work, I'd also become a preachy, politically active self-imposed working class hero, visionary Che-type. More power to him, he stands for some pretty virtuous causes, but the nature of his persona makes him irritating. There are many people who give their lives to social justice, but because they haven't had a successful career in stand-up comedy, (and are likely to behave with a little more humility) they don't get to give interviews reminiscing about how talented they were in Primary school to the Guardian.

You say you cant blame him for being an ambassador for worthy issues and that he stands up for virtuous causes so then what? Cuz of who he is basically...why? Who are these worthy people that are more deserving of your attention? What, someone with an Oxbridge education and a nice suit?

You talk further about his money and how you have to work and he doesnt, do you seriously believe that? I mean he wasnt born into money yknow, he's earned every penny of that by way of work, you work just like he worked, its just he got further with what he's doing...is that really grounds enough to have a go at him?

And you further talk about people who have given their lives to social injustice that arent famous, well good for them but the fact is we listen to famous people, thats all of us, we just do, they get attention, this notion that junkie russell walking up and deciding 'yknow what, im gonna get off the skag and become a political activist!' he would've not gotten heard.

The guys really intelligent, its not like its some late 70s punk rock schlepper going 'i fink we needs ta do more for da yoof innit...cuz we're on the dole', hes intelligent, he's articulate and you agree he's got a point...but he's made a few quid now so lets not listen to him. Like he's committed a sin by earning money, the same thing we all wake up in the morning to do, only we dont do it as well.

And yknow, its very admirable for you to sit there going 'i'd do something if i had a few quid' but would you? Would you really? Would you expect to be listened to, when by your own thinking once someone like us (regular folk) makes a few quid we shouldnt listen to the bastard anymore. Also on the one hand you're saying if you were famous and had a few quid then you'd stand against social injustice too, while criticising russell for doing so, then extoling the virtues of normal non-famous people who fight for social injustice...so then why dont yo do it, I mean you've expressed the desire and also highlighted the fact that non-famous non-minted people do do it, so why dont you?

Also i think its worth pointing out that hes basically put a block on his career for this, its not doing him any favours, the broad reaction to it is similar to whats being expressed in this thread, he's fucking up what was a pretty lucrative (if not of quite so high an artistic watermark, speaking strictly of his films here) career for this, in its formative stages, i think thats really sticking your neck out there and it shows a certain belief in what he's doing.

Thats called putting your money where your mouth is as far as I'm concerned, admirable :)

We do this a lot in England and i dont quite understand why, he was alright poncing about in tight trousers with eyeliner going on about dick sacks and ball bags and getting voted shagger of the year in the sun but the minute he has something of substance to say its like 'just get back in your box little working class minstrel, we have special schools for the people who we allow to tell us what to do and you ain't been to one!'

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Brand is a total cock, him and his mate Ross.

You took that 'scandal' seriously, really? :lol: An absolute load of fuckin' bollocks that was, my soul weeps for the nation if thats the sort of shit we take seriously enough for it to warrant the fuckin' Prime Minister talking about it in Parliament.

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I got halfway through reading that article and realised I still had no idea of the reason why he was giving that interview, so gave up.

I used to have a lot of time for Russell Brand, but now I find him mostly annoying. I can't blame him for becoming an ambassador for political issues, if I didn't have a pressing economic need to work, I'd also become a preachy, politically active self-imposed working class hero, visionary Che-type. More power to him, he stands for some pretty virtuous causes, but the nature of his persona makes him irritating. There are many people who give their lives to social justice, but because they haven't had a successful career in stand-up comedy, (and are likely to behave with a little more humility) they don't get to give interviews reminiscing about how talented they were in Primary school to the Guardian.

You say you cant blame him for being an ambassador for worthy issues and that he stands up for virtuous causes so then what? Cuz of who he is basically...why? Who are these worthy people that are more deserving of your attention? What, someone with an Oxbridge education and a nice suit?

You talk further about his money and how you have to work and he doesnt, do you seriously believe that? I mean he wasnt born into money yknow, he's earned every penny of that by way of work, you work just like he worked, its just he got further with what he's doing...is that really grounds enough to have a go at him?

And you further talk about people who have given their lives to social injustice that arent famous, well good for them but the fact is we listen to famous people, thats all of us, we just do, they get attention, this notion that junkie russell walking up and deciding 'yknow what, im gonna get off the skag and become a political activist!' he would've not gotten heard.

The guys really intelligent, its not like its some late 70s punk rock schlepper going 'i fink we needs ta do more for da yoof innit...cuz we're on the dole', hes intelligent, he's articulate and you agree he's got a point...but he's made a few quid now so lets not listen to him. Like he's committed a sin by earning money, the same thing we all wake up in the morning to do, only we dont do it as well.

And yknow, its very admirable for you to sit there going 'i'd do something if i had a few quid' but would you? Would you really? Would you expect to be listened to, when by your own thinking once someone like us (regular folk) makes a few quid we shouldnt listen to the bastard anymore. Also on the one hand you're saying if you were famous and had a few quid then you'd stand against social injustice too, while criticising russell for doing so, then extoling the virtues of normal non-famous people who fight for social injustice...so then why dont yo do it, I mean you've expressed the desire and also highlighted the fact that non-famous non-minted people do do it, so why dont you?

Also i think its worth pointing out that hes basically put a block on his career for this, its not doing him any favours, the broad reaction to it is similar to whats being expressed in this thread, he's fucking up what was a pretty lucrative (if not of quite so high an artistic watermark, speaking strictly of his films here) career for this, in its formative stages, i think thats really sticking your neck out there and it shows a certain belief in what he's doing.

Thats called putting your money where your mouth is as far as I'm concerned, admirable :)

We do this a lot in England and i dont quite understand why, he was alright poncing about in tight trousers with eyeliner going on about dick sacks and ball bags and getting voted shagger of the year in the sun but the minute he has something of substance to say its like 'just get back in your box little working class minstrel, we have special schools for the people who we allow to tell us what to do and you ain't been to one!'

I think you're over complicating the matter. It's not about somebody with a few quid wanting to do good and being criticised for it. It's about somebody talking a load of old shite when he's clever enough to make a decent point if he puts his mind to it. He's pissed off with the status quo which is fair enough but what's his solution? Don't vote? Start a revolution? Fair enough but how exactly? It's nice enough throwing out the sound bites but there's no actual depth beyond just that. All mouth and no trousers in this case I'm saddened to say.
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I think you're over complicating the matter. It's not about somebody with a few quid wanting to do good and being criticised for it.

Thats basically what was being said up there, thats it's an honourable pursuit, causes of virtue...but ugh, not him, successful him, celebrity him.

It's about somebody talking a load of old shite when he's clever enough to make a decent point if he puts his mind to it. He's pissed off with the status quo which is fair enough but what's his solution? Don't vote? Start a revolution? Fair enough but how exactly? It's nice enough throwing out the sound bites but there's no actual depth beyond just that. All mouth and no trousers in this case I'm saddened to say.

But Daze, thats fuckin' ridiculous, why this mentality that if one person points out that there are problems with the world we live in that, because he's spoken up, then the automatic burden of solving every last bastard problem on this planet becomes their responsibility...and if they don't have it then they are talking shit, thats just childish and standoffish.

Like this thing he's doing with The Trews, i think thats fuckin' valuable, I mean on this forum most people are reasonably knowledgeable and well educated and to them it might be like, y'know, the obvious but it ain't to everybody and to the great many to whom it ain't obvious thats a valuable thing.

And this is from a guy who kinda...achieved the ideals of our society, got to the mountain-top, its pretty sewed up for him if he fancies living in an Ivory Tower hiding from cameras for the rest of his life but no, he got there and thought this is illusory, this is a load of bollocks, why do we need a God, why do we need a prophet, why do we need one man or woman to come with all the answers and pluck us from the doldrums and hand us back our dignity with THE answer, maybe there ain't AN answer or a single answer, maybe it's about communication and engaging people and the exchange of ideas and learning, sussing things out, why is that bad?

All it shows to me is that all these people that think the message is honourable but ain't having it cuz it's from a famous person are prey to the exact sort of ignorance that they dislike in those that would fawn over celebrities just for the fact that they are celebrities.

The world needs more Russell Brands I reckon, many many more.

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By 'eck Len, I've really set you off there! (It has been a long time coming!).

You read way too much between the lines there. The point made is that he irritates me. My last post was my train of thought on empathising with him and finding the reason why he irritates me more than the average celeb. I think it comes down to that he seeks to inspire others with his message, yet admits that he won't involve himself with the only real method of achieving what he seeks; British politics. He won't vote, he won't petition. Does he write to his MP? Dunno. If he was a candidate in a local election, I could easily offer him my vote. But he publicly refuses to involve himself in that. When was the last time the British revolted over anything? I'm told that once we tried but couldn't hack it as the weather was inclement. The system is flawed, but as far as global politics goes, the British have it pretty good. Speaking tones of revolution references 1917 Russia, it speaks of Che Guevara, it speaks of Marie Antoinette, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Arab Spring. It speaks of people who actually did something to alter the status quo, rather than just mused on it to a weekend newspaper, where the ideals he has won't shock the readership into utterly new world views.

And since you're reading this, I'll add it here; you'll be glad to know that I caved and won't be walking down the aisle to Metallica. Fiancé's picked I Giorni.

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By 'eck Len, I've really set you off there! (It has been a long time coming!).

You read way too much between the lines there. The point made is that he irritates me. My last post was my train of thought on empathising with him and finding the reason why he irritates me more than the average celeb. I think it comes down to that he seeks to inspire others with his message, yet admits that he won't involve himself with the only real method of achieving what he seeks; British politics. He won't vote, he won't petition. Does he write to his MP? Dunno. If he was a candidate in a local election, I could easily offer him my vote. But he publicly refuses to involve himself in that. When was the last time the British revolted over anything? I'm told that once we tried but couldn't hack it as the weather was inclement. The system is flawed, but as far as global politics goes, the British have it pretty good. Speaking tones of revolution references 1917 Russia, it speaks of Che Guevara, it speaks of Marie Antoinette, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Arab Spring. It speaks of people who actually did something to alter the status quo, rather than just mused on it to a weekend newspaper, where the ideals he has won't shock the readership into utterly new world views.

And since you're reading this, I'll add it here; you'll be glad to know that I caved and won't be walking down the aisle to Metallica. Fiancé's picked I Giorni.

Sorry i hope i didn't sound like I was having a pop or something, all in the spirit of debate and everything :)

And see, yeah, OK, what you're saying now is like...I get that, you just don't agree with the lad, before I kinda took you to just be like...writing him off for its own sake which you're not so nevermind there :lol: But like...as far as non-participation thats cuz it's the very thing you are criticising (although yeah, the more cynical might say its a good excuse to get away with sitting around and just gobbing off instead of having to do something I suppose :lol:) so how can you be a part of it? And also, yeah, nobodys gonna get shocked into new world views but gosh darn it ain't it a good thing for it to be there, if only just for representation, I mean if it's all honourable and good and decent in it's intent then isn't that enough? So it's not gonna in and of itself change society, and perhaps the sort of references he makes are lofty, it's more the right thing than anything else i hear out there, even if its wild and fantastical at times, it's coming from a good place and it aspires to good and thats enough.

It's good, it's right but it's not gonna change the world, so you agree to begin with that there's something that needs changing? Well then if those ideas are honourable then just that they're being put out there is a valuable thing and makes the guy worthy of supporting surely?

And thank the good lord and all the saints and angels up in heaven for that, Metallica girl, honestly, what WERE you thinking about?!? :lol: I mean have what you like but lemme tell you something that might hold you in good stead for the rest of your life, y'see metallers right, when people think of them they think of like...B.O....and grease....and Special Brew..unemployment....and not having a bath :lol: Not REAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY the sort of impression you wannabe giving whilst you're doing the long walk eh? :lol: With Aunt and Uncle Whasisname in attendance?

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