Axl Rose 1995-2001 era

[Loseyourillusions98]

What really intruiges me is axl's hermit mode during this time period. it would be greatly appreacitate is people could post pics,stories,or address his voice turning into mickey mouse.There were also rumors he had cancer or some serious physical desease.

to ........

[Snowmass]

I think one of the 1st sightings of him since the UYI's tour ended was his arrest in 1998 in Phoenix. He was (allegedly) visiting that Yoda freak. And then he joined Gilby on stage and slowly started coming out of hibernation.

[Amir]

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5059

[D-GenerationX]

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5059

Interesting read.

Yet you read all this stuff, and people insist there is some lost album somewhere. Odd.

[maynard]

Reading those GNR Evo pages make it so clear Slash, Duff, Matt and even fucking Izzy all tried hard to make GNR work. While Axl was hiring Moby, Chris Vrenna and Zakk Wylde to make GNR sound trendy and cool. What an idiot.

[Amir]

Reading those GNR Evo pages make it so clear Slash, Duff, Matt and even fucking Izzy all tried hard to make GNR work. While Axl was hiring Moby, Chris Vrenna and Zakk Wylde to make GNR sound trendy and cool. What an idiot.

I don't agree with that 100%. Sure, Axl seemed to be struggling as to what the next GNR record should sound like that, but Slash also seems determined that the next GNR record should be pretty much what It's Five O'Clock Somewhere ended up being.

"Then, Slash got big-headed and just took them all [back]... After being out on the road and playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, it starts to go to your head... Just because Axl didn’t want all of them didn’t mean he didn’t wanna work with some of them." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

Clash of egos, clash of visions. It was two men who wanted to lead the band.

Slash makes it clear he was sick of ballads and didn't want to work on something like This I Love:

"Then [Axl] decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

And Axl made it clear he didn't want IFOS to be the next album:

"What people don't know is, the [slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it.'" (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"I answered: 'But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style.'" (Slash, 'Rock Hard' Magazine, 03/00)

"And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one." (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"Axl was into at least three of [the Snakepit demos], and maybe four." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

It goes back to the point DieselDaisy made in the Top GNR songs thread. With Appetite, you have songs like Nightrain where the band works together as a whole. By the UYIs, you got a mix of Izzy ditties, Axl ballads, and Slash rockers (with a token Duff tune), with contributions from other band members added afterwards.

I agree with Marc that if they'd gone off to do their own thing on better terms, they could have come back and made a great GNR record after getting their solo efforts out of their system (like Slash was suggesting with Axl, though I think it applied to all of them). Only one I could never see and can never see ever being part of GNR full-time after '91 is Izzy, he seems intimidated by the arena rock band thing and wants to do his own thing with occasional guest appearances, fair enough.

[niceguy]

GNR was dead by 95, which is why Axl sorta disappeared. There was no band to play shows.

That was a huge change: GNR went from a collaborative band to a business entity owned by one person. Axl just went into the shadows, to deal with the pain of breakups (GNR and Steph), and he tried putting his business together.

Axl finally got what he wanted: he was the supreme and total dictator of GNR, both artistically and business wise. And all it cost him was his career.

[maynard]

Reading those GNR Evo pages make it so clear Slash, Duff, Matt and even fucking Izzy all tried hard to make GNR work. While Axl was hiring Moby, Chris Vrenna and Zakk Wylde to make GNR sound trendy and cool. What an idiot.

I don't agree with that 100%. Sure, Axl seemed to be struggling as to what the next GNR record should sound like that, but Slash also seems determined that the next GNR record should be pretty much what It's Five O'Clock Somewhere ended up being.

"Then, Slash got big-headed and just took them all [back]... After being out on the road and playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, it starts to go to your head... Just because Axl didn’t want all of them didn’t mean he didn’t wanna work with some of them." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

Clash of egos, clash of visions. It was two men who wanted to lead the band.

Slash makes it clear he was sick of ballads and didn't want to work on something like This I Love:

"Then [Axl] decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

And Axl made it clear he didn't want IFOS to be the next album:

"What people don't know is, the [slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it.'" (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"I answered: 'But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style.'" (Slash, 'Rock Hard' Magazine, 03/00)

"And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one." (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"Axl was into at least three of [the Snakepit demos], and maybe four." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

It goes back to the point DieselDaisy made in the Top GNR songs thread. With Appetite, you have songs like Nightrain where the band works together as a whole. By the UYIs, you got a mix of Izzy ditties, Axl ballads, and Slash rockers (with a token Duff tune), with contributions from other band members added afterwards.

I agree with Marc that if they'd gone off to do their own thing on better terms, they could have come back and made a great GNR record after getting their solo efforts out of their system (like Slash was suggesting with Axl, though I think it applied to all of them). Only one I could never see and can never see ever being part of GNR full-time after '91 is Izzy, he seems intimidated by the arena rock band thing and wants to do his own thing with occasional guest appearances, fair enough.

Yeah but, from what I can see, the guys were all inspired, jamming, feeling like a band again, even Izzy was willing to be part of the recording process. And then you have Axl not showing up to rehearsals until 5 a.m., unable to write a line of a song, dealing with lawyers more than with music. He was unwilling to move GNR forward and that's kinda ironic now. Of course, he had his personal problems but he dealt with them in the most stupid and Diva way possible. I won't even mention bringing Paul aboard and forcing him under everyone's throat. (Slash wasn't the only one who disliked him).

The guys just wanted to get GNR back on track. Axl was worried about other things. And his musical ideas were completely ridiculous, always with the excuse of trying to bringing up Slash's musicianship. Yeah, sure. Shut up, Axl. You wanted to be "cool" in the 90s and follow trends and call it your vision. While trying to diminish Slash's spotlight, of course. After UYI, which is clearly an "Axl' album, I can understand Slash wanting to do a 12 track no-bullshit rocker album.

It's not even about musical differences, anyway. It's about Axl unable and unwilling to work as a part of a group. It's about Axl more worried about his lawsuits than the band. His dream alternative, cool, modern 90s album was a solo album away from him..

Edited October 13, 2014 by ProstituteComa

[WarpedFX]

Neither party were willing to put up with each others' shit. One was a strung out junkie and the other was a moody asshole. Fame and money did more damage to their working relationship than either expected or foresaw.

[Amir]

Yeah but, from what I can see, the guys were all inspired, jamming, feeling like a band again, even Izzy was willing to be part of the recording process. And then you have Axl not showing up to rehearsals until 5 a.m., unable to write a line of a song, dealing with lawyers more than with music. He was unwilling to move GNR forward and that's kinda ironic now. Of course, he had his personal problems but he dealt with them in the most stupid and Diva way possible. I won't even mention bringing Paul aboard and forcing him under everyone's throat. (Slash wasn't the only one who disliked him).

The guys just wanted to get GNR back on track. Axl was worried about other things. And his musical ideas were completely ridiculous, always with the excuse of trying to bringing up Slash's musicianship. Yeah, sure. Shut up, Axl. You wanted to be "cool" in the 90s and follow trends and call it your vision. While trying to diminish Slash's spotlight, of course.

Slash and Matt seemed inspired, Axl even raves about Matt's soloing from these sessions. Reading Duff's autobiography was weird, though, because he makes it seem like almost nothing came out of these sessions.

I can't blame Axl (or Duff) on passing on the IFOS as-is, and I can't blame Slash and Duff for getting frustrated at Axl's reluctance/inability to bring himself to join them in the studio. Axl had his demons and lawsuits, and Slash and Duff both had their addictions. There's no way they could function as a unit with all that. Sure, in the Appetite era they were no strangers to either of those, but money and fame had amplified them to unmanageable levels.

[maynard]

Yeah but, from what I can see, the guys were all inspired, jamming, feeling like a band again, even Izzy was willing to be part of the recording process. And then you have Axl not showing up to rehearsals until 5 a.m., unable to write a line of a song, dealing with lawyers more than with music. He was unwilling to move GNR forward and that's kinda ironic now. Of course, he had his personal problems but he dealt with them in the most stupid and Diva way possible. I won't even mention bringing Paul aboard and forcing him under everyone's throat. (Slash wasn't the only one who disliked him).

The guys just wanted to get GNR back on track. Axl was worried about other things. And his musical ideas were completely ridiculous, always with the excuse of trying to bringing up Slash's musicianship. Yeah, sure. Shut up, Axl. You wanted to be "cool" in the 90s and follow trends and call it your vision. While trying to diminish Slash's spotlight, of course.

Slash and Matt seemed inspired, Axl even raves about Matt's soloing from these sessions. Reading Duff's autobiography was weird, though, because he makes it seem like almost nothing came out of these sessions.

I can't blame Axl (or Duff) on passing on the IFOS as-is, and I can't blame Slash and Duff for getting frustrated at Axl's reluctance/inability to bring himself to join them in the studio. Axl had his demons and lawsuits, and Slash and Duff both had their addictions. There's no way they could function as a unit with all that. Sure, in the Appetite era they were no strangers to either of those, but money and fame had amplified them to unmanageable levels.

I remember reading Matt saying how Duff was looking great and in shape. Not sure if the junkie thing was much of an issue by 1995... Even if they were still heavy users, they still managed to be on the studio, jamming, recording and writing. Slash toured the world with Snakepit, playing the shit out of his guitar. Axl, clean and sober, couldn't work as hard as them. That's pathetic.

[D-GenerationX]

OK, just read that entire site, beginning to end.

What a fucking lunatic. And the only one that might be more crazy than he is are any of us that think another album is coming out, ever.

[Amir]

OK, just read that entire site, beginning to end.

What a fucking lunatic. And the only one that might be more crazy than he is are any of us that think another album is coming out, ever.

I think sic. did a fantastic job with Chinese Whispers, find it amazing the range of sources he drew from and how he's been updating it even in the past few years. It was partly thanks to reading through all that back in 2008 that I became a GNR fan, I found the myth of the Howard Hughes of Rock, the Phantom of the Malibu Mansion, absolutely fascinating. I've read through it all at least 5 times in the past few years.

And who knows about a new album? Stranger things have happened in GNRland. Zakk Wylde, a Replacement, Buckethead, cornrows, vocal comeback in '06, the actual release of ChiDem...

I may go through periods of caring less and paying less heed to rumours of a new album, but I always come back, because Chinese Whispers makes it clear that nothing is clear and anything is possible in GNRland (if not exactly punctual or predictable).

[D-GenerationX]

But I think the only reason we even got what we did is because the label, such as it was, laid all the groundwork.

Now its all on Axl, and that doesn't inspire confidence.

[Loseyourillusions98]

Yeah, I mean axl could take for all we know 15 more years until another album is released and it's probobly gonna sound like shit like the majority of Chinese. It's really sad to think that gnr could have been bigger than Aerosmith and led Zeppelin had axl kept his shit together and not butt fuck beta the whole day.

[Amir]

But I think the only reason we even got what we did is because the label, such as it was, laid all the groundwork.

Now its all on Axl, and that doesn't inspire confidence.

Maybe, who knows. I don't think he has a desire to be a permanent recluse, though. Besides the touring of recent years, even seemingly silly little things like writing about the RHCP/Superbowl scandal or tweeting a photo of rattlesnake breakfast sausages could be taken as a sign that he still wants to be in the public consciousness. I don't doubt that the relative failure of ChiDem compared to his expectations was the greatest blow of his professional life, but time has passed, he seems to have had a good time touring for the most part, expressed a desire repeatedly to release the 2nd half of Chinese, UMG backed released of Appetite for Democracy... I don't think a release of ChiDem is that unlikely (though I don't expect it any time soon, either).

I don't see any albums beyond that, though (for the best if Ashba is to be the last lead guitarist that GNR has, as depressing as that may be).

[Loseyourillusions98]

But I think the only reason we even got what we did is because the label, such as it was, laid all the groundwork.

Now its all on Axl, and that doesn't inspire confidence.

Maybe, who knows. I don't think he has a desire to be a permanent recluse, though. Besides the touring of recent years, even seemingly silly little things like writing about the RHCP/Superbowl scandal or tweeting a photo of rattlesnake breakfast sausages could be taken as a sign that he still wants to be in the public consciousness. I don't doubt that the relative failure of ChiDem compared to his expectations was the greatest blow of his professional life, but time has passed, he seems to have had a good time touring for the most part, expressed a desire repeatedly to release the 2nd half of Chinese, UMG backed released of Appetite for Democracy... I don't think a release of ChiDem is that unlikely (though I don't expect it any time soon, either).

I don't see any albums beyond that, though (for the best if Ashba is to be the last lead guitarist that GNR has, as depressing as that may be).

The breakfast sausages are a sign that he don't give a shit about his weight anymore yeah but for real I'm not looking forward to another Chinese democracy and axl's gay love for slash or crying about steph. Another appetite would sound nice with a ballad or 2 in the album

Edited October 13, 2014 by Loseyourillusions98

[tomfriend]

Reading those GNR Evo pages make it so clear Slash, Duff, Matt and even fucking Izzy all tried hard to make GNR work. While Axl was hiring Moby, Chris Vrenna and Zakk Wylde to make GNR sound trendy and cool. What an idiot.

I don't agree with that 100%. Sure, Axl seemed to be struggling as to what the next GNR record should sound like that, but Slash also seems determined that the next GNR record should be pretty much what It's Five O'Clock Somewhere ended up being.

"Then, Slash got big-headed and just took them all [back]... After being out on the road and playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, it starts to go to your head... Just because Axl didnt want all of them didnt mean he didnt wanna work with some of them." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

Clash of egos, clash of visions. It was two men who wanted to lead the band.

Slash makes it clear he was sick of ballads and didn't want to work on something like This I Love:

"Then [Axl] decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

And Axl made it clear he didn't want IFOS to be the next album:

"What people don't know is, the [slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it.'" (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"I answered: 'But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style.'" (Slash, 'Rock Hard' Magazine, 03/00)

"And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one." (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"Axl was into at least three of [the Snakepit demos], and maybe four." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

It goes back to the point DieselDaisy made in the Top GNR songs thread. With Appetite, you have songs like Nightrain where the band works together as a whole. By the UYIs, you got a mix of Izzy ditties, Axl ballads, and Slash rockers (with a token Duff tune), with contributions from other band members added afterwards.

I agree with Marc that if they'd gone off to do their own thing on better terms, they could have come back and made a great GNR record after getting their solo efforts out of their system (like Slash was suggesting with Axl, though I think it applied to all of them). Only one I could never see and can never see ever being part of GNR full-time after '91 is Izzy, he seems intimidated by the arena rock band thing and wants to do his own thing with occasional guest appearances, fair enough.

Yeah but, from what I can see, the guys were all inspired, jamming, feeling like a band again, even Izzy was willing to be part of the recording process. And then you have Axl not showing up to rehearsals until 5 a.m., unable to write a line of a song, dealing with lawyers more than with music. He was unwilling to move GNR forward and that's kinda ironic now. Of course, he had his personal problems but he dealt with them in the most stupid and Diva way possible. I won't even mention bringing Paul aboard and forcing him under everyone's throat. (Slash wasn't the only one who disliked him).

The guys just wanted to get GNR back on track. Axl was worried about other things. And his musical ideas were completely ridiculous, always with the excuse of trying to bringing up Slash's musicianship. Yeah, sure. Shut up, Axl. You wanted to be "cool" in the 90s and follow trends and call it your vision. While trying to diminish Slash's spotlight, of course. After UYI, which is clearly an "Axl' album, I can understand Slash wanting to do a 12 track no-bullshit rocker album.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that they had just made a 'no-bullshit rocker album' called TSI which sucked.

[Apollo]

I'd be as happy as a clam if CD2 was just the same as CD1.

[maynard]

Reading those GNR Evo pages make it so clear Slash, Duff, Matt and even fucking Izzy all tried hard to make GNR work. While Axl was hiring Moby, Chris Vrenna and Zakk Wylde to make GNR sound trendy and cool. What an idiot.

I don't agree with that 100%. Sure, Axl seemed to be struggling as to what the next GNR record should sound like that, but Slash also seems determined that the next GNR record should be pretty much what It's Five O'Clock Somewhere ended up being.

"Then, Slash got big-headed and just took them all [back]... After being out on the road and playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, it starts to go to your head... Just because Axl didnt want all of them didnt mean he didnt wanna work with some of them." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

Clash of egos, clash of visions. It was two men who wanted to lead the band.

Slash makes it clear he was sick of ballads and didn't want to work on something like This I Love:

"Then [Axl] decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

And Axl made it clear he didn't want IFOS to be the next album:

"What people don't know is, the [slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it.'" (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"I answered: 'But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style.'" (Slash, 'Rock Hard' Magazine, 03/00)

"And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one." (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"Axl was into at least three of [the Snakepit demos], and maybe four." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

It goes back to the point DieselDaisy made in the Top GNR songs thread. With Appetite, you have songs like Nightrain where the band works together as a whole. By the UYIs, you got a mix of Izzy ditties, Axl ballads, and Slash rockers (with a token Duff tune), with contributions from other band members added afterwards.

I agree with Marc that if they'd gone off to do their own thing on better terms, they could have come back and made a great GNR record after getting their solo efforts out of their system (like Slash was suggesting with Axl, though I think it applied to all of them). Only one I could never see and can never see ever being part of GNR full-time after '91 is Izzy, he seems intimidated by the arena rock band thing and wants to do his own thing with occasional guest appearances, fair enough.

Yeah but, from what I can see, the guys were all inspired, jamming, feeling like a band again, even Izzy was willing to be part of the recording process. And then you have Axl not showing up to rehearsals until 5 a.m., unable to write a line of a song, dealing with lawyers more than with music. He was unwilling to move GNR forward and that's kinda ironic now. Of course, he had his personal problems but he dealt with them in the most stupid and Diva way possible. I won't even mention bringing Paul aboard and forcing him under everyone's throat. (Slash wasn't the only one who disliked him).

The guys just wanted to get GNR back on track. Axl was worried about other things. And his musical ideas were completely ridiculous, always with the excuse of trying to bringing up Slash's musicianship. Yeah, sure. Shut up, Axl. You wanted to be "cool" in the 90s and follow trends and call it your vision. While trying to diminish Slash's spotlight, of course. After UYI, which is clearly an "Axl' album, I can understand Slash wanting to do a 12 track no-bullshit rocker album.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that they had just made a 'no-bullshit rocker album' called TSI which sucked.

It's an album of covers recorded on the road. I was talking about an album of original material.

[tomfriend]

Reading those GNR Evo pages make it so clear Slash, Duff, Matt and even fucking Izzy all tried hard to make GNR work. While Axl was hiring Moby, Chris Vrenna and Zakk Wylde to make GNR sound trendy and cool. What an idiot.

I don't agree with that 100%. Sure, Axl seemed to be struggling as to what the next GNR record should sound like that, but Slash also seems determined that the next GNR record should be pretty much what It's Five O'Clock Somewhere ended up being.

"Then, Slash got big-headed and just took them all [back]... After being out on the road and playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, it starts to go to your head... Just because Axl didnt want all of them didnt mean he didnt wanna work with some of them." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

Clash of egos, clash of visions. It was two men who wanted to lead the band.

Slash makes it clear he was sick of ballads and didn't want to work on something like This I Love:

"Then [Axl] decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

And Axl made it clear he didn't want IFOS to be the next album:

"What people don't know is, the [slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it.'" (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"I answered: 'But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style.'" (Slash, 'Rock Hard' Magazine, 03/00)

"And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one." (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"Axl was into at least three of [the Snakepit demos], and maybe four." (Marc Canter, Legendary Rock Interviews, 04/22/12)

It goes back to the point DieselDaisy made in the Top GNR songs thread. With Appetite, you have songs like Nightrain where the band works together as a whole. By the UYIs, you got a mix of Izzy ditties, Axl ballads, and Slash rockers (with a token Duff tune), with contributions from other band members added afterwards.

I agree with Marc that if they'd gone off to do their own thing on better terms, they could have come back and made a great GNR record after getting their solo efforts out of their system (like Slash was suggesting with Axl, though I think it applied to all of them). Only one I could never see and can never see ever being part of GNR full-time after '91 is Izzy, he seems intimidated by the arena rock band thing and wants to do his own thing with occasional guest appearances, fair enough.

Yeah but, from what I can see, the guys were all inspired, jamming, feeling like a band again, even Izzy was willing to be part of the recording process. And then you have Axl not showing up to rehearsals until 5 a.m., unable to write a line of a song, dealing with lawyers more than with music. He was unwilling to move GNR forward and that's kinda ironic now. Of course, he had his personal problems but he dealt with them in the most stupid and Diva way possible. I won't even mention bringing Paul aboard and forcing him under everyone's throat. (Slash wasn't the only one who disliked him).

The guys just wanted to get GNR back on track. Axl was worried about other things. And his musical ideas were completely ridiculous, always with the excuse of trying to bringing up Slash's musicianship. Yeah, sure. Shut up, Axl. You wanted to be "cool" in the 90s and follow trends and call it your vision. While trying to diminish Slash's spotlight, of course. After UYI, which is clearly an "Axl' album, I can understand Slash wanting to do a 12 track no-bullshit rocker album.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that they had just made a 'no-bullshit rocker album' called TSI which sucked.

It's an album of covers recorded on the road. I was talking about an album of original material.

So? It's still straight ahead rockers and it proves the fire wasn't there and the market had moved on.

[maynard]

The fire wasn't there? TSI is a cover album recorded while they were on tour. That album proves nothing. Sorry.

[tomfriend]

The fire wasn't there? TSI is a cover album recorded while they were on tour. That album proves nothing. Sorry.

Fine (you ignored its relatively poor sales denoting that an album of straight ahead rockers wouldn't have been popular), factor in the similar failure of IFAS. If Slash had his way, the next Guns album would have been that with Axl vocals. Telling me it would have been a classic album or a big hit?

[IncitingChaos]

Axl disappeared bc of the media turned on him. That's not a joke it went from Axl the rock star to Axl the asshole.

His ex wife and former girlfriend went to court against him for abuse, he had very private details shared about him in this case that made him look like a psycho wife beater. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it but it would be hard to face a public trail like this.

He had a ton of pressure to get the ball rolling on a new GNR record but Axl is a sensitive person. Don't push him to do something while he's already down. He needed someone to listen to him and talk to him about his personal life instead of demanding things from him. That's how Beta became his family, she was there for him.

Axl's real mother got sick during this time and eventually died, I think that shook him up.

But basically it was Axl feeling like everyone turned on him at one time, and honestly being embarrassed about the details that came out of the trial. He doesn't take criticism well and the only way he could handle it was removing himself from a public life, which as we saw he did quite well.

[WFA]

The fire wasn't there? TSI is a cover album recorded while they were on tour. That album proves nothing. Sorry.

Fine (you ignored its relatively poor sales denoting that an album of straight ahead rockers wouldn't have been popular), factor in the similar failure of IFAS. If Slash had his way, the next Guns album would have been that with Axl vocals. Telling me it would have been a classic album or a big hit?

TIL going platinum constitutes as poor sales