wasted Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Topics like this go nowhere as taste is subjective not objective.Part of what made GNR so special was that their music was the soundtrack to their own life story and while their lives were madness, the music was glorious. I find it strange that people compare the experience of listening and watching a bunch of 21 year old drunk and high street rats really living the chaotic rock n roll life and playing songs they actually wrote about it against a well oiled, pampered, sober business machine staffed by professional cover musicians in their 40's. Its just fucking dumb and misses the whole point of what a real band is completely. But there was such an eccentric maverick genius to the 2002 line up that you could really enjoy the musicianship/performance even though they were raping the originals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose22 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) NOTHING by the 2001-2002 version fo the band is equal to the AFD band. They never had a show as energetic or as organic or as mindblowing as the AFD lineup. They never created anything even remotely as iconic or enjoyable as the AFD band. In 2014 if you put the AFD band together on stage, even with Steven they'd blow the 2001=2002 lineup off the stage. The original post isn't controversial it's just straight up fantasy.You can't be serious. Old band is awesome, but it's not even close. Strictly speaking in terms of live musicianship, old guns couldn't even road crew for new guns. (and yes, I saw them both) Hahaha how fucking stupid. I can't belive people like you even exist. The AFD lineup's worst show is better than Axl's futureistic era GnR's best show. Like seriously we're talking an all time classic band who is one of the very best of all time not being as god live as a bunch of guys covering their music. Seriously it's such an asinine topic. Sure the guys in future GnR are amazing musicians but that does NOT equate to better live performances. The Rotz dvd on it's own kicks the crap outta anything future GnR did liveI can't believe murderers, rapists, pedophiles exist or are allowed to. Not a poster on a forum giving his opinion on a topic. Sounds like ur saying cuz he doesn't agree with ur opinion he's stupid and his existence on this planet to u is mind boggling. Or was this all abt the part where he said it being a bit of a dick or ur being a dick? Whatever man. On topic......I liked the way the '02 lineup played some stuff. Other stuff not so much. Didn't like you cld be mine or the drumming. Didn't like patience or the drumming to name a few. Very talented yes. Technically better? I don't know. Maybe. Better? No. Nothing will top a GNR lineup imo with the 5 original guys. Balls, groove, exciting and cohesiveness. One of the greatest lineups of all time. Edited October 22, 2014 by rose22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercourse Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Topics like this go nowhere as taste is subjective not objective.Part of what made GNR so special was that their music was the soundtrack to their own life story and while their lives were madness, the music was glorious. I find it strange that people compare the experience of listening and watching a bunch of 21 year old drunk and high street rats really living the chaotic rock n roll life and playing songs they actually wrote about it against a well oiled, pampered, sober business machine staffed by professional cover musicians in their 40's. Its just fucking dumb and misses the whole point of what a real band is completely. But there was such an eccentric maverick genius to the 2002 line up that you could really enjoy the musicianship/performance even though they were raping the originals.true but its a different band completely, don't get how people can compare them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laparka Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Topics like this go nowhere as taste is subjective not objective.Part of what made GNR so special was that their music was the soundtrack to their own life story and while their lives were madness, the music was glorious. I find it strange that people compare the experience of listening and watching a bunch of 21 year old drunk and high street rats really living the chaotic rock n roll life and playing songs they actually wrote about it against a well oiled, pampered, sober business machine staffed by professional cover musicians in their 40's. Its just fucking dumb and misses the whole point of what a real band is completely. But there was such an eccentric maverick genius to the 2002 line up that you could really enjoy the musicianship/performance even though they were raping the originals.true but its a different band completely, don't get how people can compare them. Of courseIf you want to compare pure musicianship, the 2002 band was better, but music does not work that way, and a lot more factors than just "musicianship", "technicality" and "accuracy" have to be taken into account to judge how great a band was/is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dando Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2002 was maybe a better band but the group now put on a better show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laparka Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2002 was maybe a better band but the group now put on a better showMy favorite NuGnR was 2006 with Brain.The show was great and Finck was a zillion times better than Ashba.Axl's voice was also 10 times better than what we have now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Topics like this go nowhere as taste is subjective not objective.Part of what made GNR so special was that their music was the soundtrack to their own life story and while their lives were madness, the music was glorious. I find it strange that people compare the experience of listening and watching a bunch of 21 year old drunk and high street rats really living the chaotic rock n roll life and playing songs they actually wrote about it against a well oiled, pampered, sober business machine staffed by professional cover musicians in their 40's. Its just fucking dumb and misses the whole point of what a real band is completely. But there was such an eccentric maverick genius to the 2002 line up that you could really enjoy the musicianship/performance even though they were raping the originals.no, not really in the least bit - watching bucket shread the solo on Sweet child was a sacriledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Topics like this go nowhere as taste is subjective not objective.Part of what made GNR so special was that their music was the soundtrack to their own life story and while their lives were madness, the music was glorious.I find it strange that people compare the experience of listening and watching a bunch of 21 year old drunk and high street rats really living the chaotic rock n roll life and playing songs they actually wrote about it against a well oiled, pampered, sober business machine staffed by professional cover musicians in their 40's. Its just fucking dumb and misses the whole point of what a real band is completely. But there was such an eccentric maverick genius to the 2002 line up that you could really enjoy the musicianship/performance even though they were raping the originals. true but its a different band completely, don't get how people can compare them. I think Bucket playing Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry or playing some solos he wrote might be a better comparison. Is Bucket playing Sorry solo as good as Slash playing Don't Cry solo or something. Star Wars theme vs. Godfather theme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blablabla123 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Off Topic: I've always wondered about this introduction video. Who did this? What is he saying (really, I can't listen to him or read the subtitles) ? Who are the characters and what do they mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dando Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2002 was maybe a better band but the group now put on a better show My favorite NuGnR was 2006 with Brain.The show was great and Finck was a zillion times better than Ashba.Axl's voice was also 10 times better than what we have now...Agreed that Axl's voice was amazing then, disagree a bit with robin, I found him to be a bit sloppy live, I know dj is too so fuck it, they're both not slash so people will find faults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2002 was great for the band but Axl's voice was missing something. It was an exciting time though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) axl's voice was hit or miss but it didn;t really matter the whole psyche was unbelievable during those timesi saw him in toronto 2002 i dont think his voice was badin fact it's probably the best concert i've seen and i've seen many bowie 04waters + gilmour wall 2011 acdc 01 09etc Edited October 22, 2014 by double talkin jive mfkr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdeyahlxp Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It's been a while since I last saw that commercial. The small clips sound better than the final product. Such a shame what an abortion Chinese came to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2002 band with 2010 Axl could have really relaunched the band and put an end to the reunion stuff. Although I don't like Brain's drums. They sound so flat and weak, no matter how good he was technically.Gn'R could release a bunch of albums and as long as the AFD five are alive a reunion will be wanted by most music fans that don't post on this board.I only saw the Illusions lineup with Gilby live as far as the real deal goes&if we're talking strictly musicianship then I guess I can see the argument being made for the 2002 band but I think fans want to see a Gn'R show not Dream Theater so who cares if things aren't technically perfect? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2002 band with 2010 Axl could have really relaunched the band and put an end to the reunion stuff. Although I don't like Brain's drums. They sound so flat and weak, no matter how good he was technically.Gn'R could release a bunch of albums and as long as the AFD five are alive a reunion will be wanted by most music fans that don't post on this board.I only saw the Illusions lineup with Gilby live as far as the real deal goes&if we're talking strictly musicianship then I guess I can see the argument being made for the 2002 band but I think fans want to see a Gn'R show not Dream Theater so who cares if things aren't technically perfect?When koc plays with uyi lineup ie Matt, Gilby, duff and slash they are tight as hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 NOTHING by the 2001-2002 version fo the band is equal to the AFD band. They never had a show as energetic or as organic or as mindblowing as the AFD lineup. They never created anything even remotely as iconic or enjoyable as the AFD band. In 2014 if you put the AFD band together on stage, even with Steven they'd blow the 2001=2002 lineup off the stage. The original post isn't controversial it's just straight up fantasy.You can't be serious. Old band is awesome, but it's not even close. Strictly speaking in terms of live musicianship, old guns couldn't even road crew for new guns. (and yes, I saw them both)Couldn't even road crew?I think even Axl is laughing at you if he'd hear this "opinion". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 if i had to be honest true gnr even the most minute hopeful fan independent from this site and other gnr freaks would have to admit that any hope for nugnr was killed after Philadelphia....everything else was just MILK CENTRAL and azoff binding 'agreements' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Of topic: Sounds they where with some problems, pretty much like RIO 2011. But even worse, but the rants are fucking awesome.Does someone have this full show in soundboard quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 So it's come to this: stating that a cover band is superior to the actual band. You know who is a stronger singer than Axl? Celine Dion. GNR should replace Axl with Celine. After all, she's more technically proficient, and that's all that matters, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I do not even think that that 2002 band were that, technically, good. I mean Robin would bend his guitar hopelessly out of tune all of the time and for some odd reason, the band always made a complete hash of 'Patience', the easiest Guns N' Roses song to play in the whole discography! Axl was on helium the whole time also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laparka Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 So it's come to this: stating that a cover band is superior to the actual band.You know who is a stronger singer than Axl? Celine Dion. GNR should replace Axl with Celine. After all, she's more technically proficient, and that's all that matters, right?What if you compare the classic band playing his song with the 2002 line-up playing all the ChiDem songs?because the whole 12 years old "cover-band" point is getting pretty over-used. You can't use this point every time NuGnR is brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakDown2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Something that I also like from the 2001-2002 lineup is that Chris was a quite important part of the sound and you could actually hear what he was playing. Now he's just moving while his keys are really hard to hear with all the other stuff going around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combos Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT but this incarnation must go to to toe with appetite era band (we are talking of course about only the music not the singer)?discuss! Brain = just as good as adlerbucket = just as good as slash tommy - holds own others are just more technical etc Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT but this incarnation must go to to toe with appetite era band (we are talking of course about only the music not the singer)?discuss! Brain = just as good as adlerbucket = just as good as slash tommy - holds own others are just more technical etc Nope.Not even close 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastodonny Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 To the OP, did you ever see the AFD line up live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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