magisme Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 A student showed this video at school assembly as part of the "news". Honestly? Go fuck yourself. MAYBE there's like one instance of legit harassment in the video. Maybe.What do you all think? Would love to hear the female perspective. P4A's city. Where you at, girl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeartBreaker Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Take a compliment, woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Now I feel bad. One time I got wasted in Ann Arbor last year and walked around and Im sure I pissed a few gals off.Ah well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 "Damn. DAMN!" I see no harassment, whatsoever. Funny how at the end of the video they're asking you to make a donation to "Hollaback" lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Satanisk_Slakt Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 Perhaps if people can imagine what it is walking around on the streets and random strangers are "being nice" to you for no other reason than you being a female they'd understand why it's harassments. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 We are all different, to some this wouldn't be a problem, to others the sheer amount of unwanted attention, including a dude that walked by her side for 5 minutes, is annoying and may even be experienced as harrassment . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Ain't nobody takin away my right to holla at a honey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 So let me extend this a bit....I walked out of the morning meeting when the video came on. I didn't make a scene out of it or anything - I was already at the back of the auditorium - but I'd already seen the video, and it pissed me off when I watched it by myself, so I wasn't going to watch it presented as some fucking group shaming exercise for the boys, for whom I'm the leader of the campus "Men's Group," btw. So fast forward to just after lunch I'm in the faculty room and the Women's Group faculty member comes up to me and asks if I was at morning meeting. I'm squirrelly about my answer because I want to see what her angle is first. I tell her that I was there for some of it. She asks if I was there at the end. I say no. Then she starts talking about the video showing a woman "being harassed" and how a large number of the boys were giggling at the video, particularly during that segment when the guy is walking with her for like 5 minutes (fuck me, the only part of the video that is harassment and they laugh). So she tells me how she wanted to say something, but the Assistant Head of School got up there and reprimanded the boys and talked about how he has daughters and how it makes him want to cry watching a woman have to suffer such harassment and whatnot.So I'm probably gonna have to address this with the boys, but Admin and Women's Group can fuck off if they think I'm going to go full, "THAT'S HARASSMENT! YOU'RE A BUNCH OF BULLIES!" or whatever the fuck.Where the white bitches at? I need your opinions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Can't you just tell that that not all women like such attention and that that is enough reason to not do it? It doesn't matter whether it fits whatever definition YOU or I have of harassment, this is not about us, but about those girls who feel insulted by constant unwanted attention from guys. It is about having respect for others and how they feel. Kids need to learn this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nah, fuck that. I don't buy into the cultural trend of "don't do anything that might bother someone else." I think that's a toxic and destructive mindset. I'm not going to tell my boys that saying, "Have a beautiful day," to a woman they find attractive is harassment. Not gonna happen. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nah, fuck that. I don't buy into the cultural trend of "don't do anything that might bother someone else." I think that's a toxic and destructive mindset. I'm not going to tell my boys that saying, "Have a beautiful day," to a woman they find attractive is harassment. Not gonna happen.I agree with your first sentence, but let's say that 60 % of women would find such constant attention unwelcome, wouldn't it then be right of us to refrain from doing it to them? It is really not up to me to decide what they should think is okay, that is entirely their decision, and as soon as they have made that decision I am polite enough to try to respct that.And I don't think it is the occasional "Have a beautiful day" that is the problem here, it is the sheer amount of various comments from passers-by. I know I would not appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nah, fuck that. I don't buy into the cultural trend of "don't do anything that might bother someone else." I think that's a toxic and destructive mindset. I'm not going to tell my boys that saying, "Have a beautiful day," to a woman they find attractive is harassment. Not gonna happen.I agree with your first sentence, but let's say that 60 % of women would find such constant attention unwelcome, wouldn't it then be right of us to refrain from doing it to them? It is really not up to me to decide what they should think is okay, that is entirely their decision, and as soon as they have made that decision I am polite enough to try to respct that.And I don't think it is the occasional "Have a beautiful day" that is the problem here, it is the sheer amount of various comments from passers-by. I know I would not appreciate it.Then we can have a conversation about that, where we present both sides of the experience, the woman's and the man's, and attempt to come to some understanding, because I think it's getting a lot harder for young men to figure out what they are allowed to say to girls, so many of them are just saying, "fuck it, I'll say whatever's on my mind if I'm gonna be bitched at either way," and we actually make the situation worse calling every god damn thing harassment, imo. But, like I said, a conversation, not "This is harassment! If you don't agree you're just as bad!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Len Cnut Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 Harrassment is when a bloke strikes up a conversation with a bird who don't fancy him 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Harrassment is when a bloke strikes up a conversation with a bird who don't fancy him In which case how are you not in jail by now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Harrassment is when a bloke strikes up a conversation with a bird who don't fancy him In which case how are you not in jail by now? Cuz the slags never live to tell the tale, muwahahahahahahaha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MB. Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Posted about this on another forum Here is what I posted.A normal good morning is just fine. Ofcourse there is no problem with that.I was 13 when guys started to whistling or shouting stuff, cause I was early in my development and looked older. My dad lost it at times. Just imagine your little sister or daughter being checked out from top to bottom. Or adults shouting to her 'good morning little lady'. It's so patronizing. At that age, you don't even understand why or how to respond. I am not the social type. I don't like talking to strangers, or getting too much attention. I really didn't like it. Even just 'compliments' were not nice. Guys saying 'hello gorgious', meant I had to smile a little or say thanks. I hated that. But also feeling people staring is not fun. A quick look with the eyes, not the total head, is fine, but being checked out like being a horse, not so much. I was not even pretty, just normal, except for my hair. How weird is it, that I had to tight it back to avoid remarks of guys, when walking the streets in my city. . Giving the wrong or even a reaction, could create trouble as well. It's not fun to be called arrogant bitch or guys walking with you just for not responding or responding. Cause at times smiling back made guys think they could walk with you, ask your phonenumber, hold your arm etc. Basicly the rotten apples made it annoying, cause you don't know how to respond anymore. Btw, it totally works the other way around as well, women shouting at guys. I even once had a fight over it with female friends. They thought it was 'different' cause less intimidating. But the guy in question felt just as awkward Anyway, getting 'compliments' are not always that well recieved. The girl is walking the street, she isn't in a bar meeting people. Some girls might like it, but I only felt embarassed. I am probably called a boring feminist or whatever. I get that a lot. But it's how I felt. Now I am older and mostly walking with kids, it's a lot lot less . And no, I don't miss it one bit. Edited October 31, 2014 by MB. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nah, fuck that. I don't buy into the cultural trend of "don't do anything that might bother someone else." I think that's a toxic and destructive mindset. I'm not going to tell my boys that saying, "Have a beautiful day," to a woman they find attractive is harassment. Not gonna happen.I agree with your first sentence, but let's say that 60 % of women would find such constant attention unwelcome, wouldn't it then be right of us to refrain from doing it to them? It is really not up to me to decide what they should think is okay, that is entirely their decision, and as soon as they have made that decision I am polite enough to try to respct that.And I don't think it is the occasional "Have a beautiful day" that is the problem here, it is the sheer amount of various comments from passers-by. I know I would not appreciate it.Then we can have a conversation about that, where we present both sides of the experience, the woman's and the man's, and attempt to come to some understanding, because I think it's getting a lot harder for young men to figure out what they are allowed to say to girls, so many of them are just saying, "fuck it, I'll say whatever's on my mind if I'm gonna be bitched at either way," and we actually make the situation worse calling every god damn thing harassment, imo. But, like I said, a conversation, not "This is harassment! If you don't agree you're just as bad!".Striking up conversations with girls on the streets is hard, because inevitably the chances are high they are not interested, and if many do it/you do it tactlessly you will end up annoying them or even harrassing them. So maybe just chat up girls in contexts where the girl would appreciate or expect the attention/contact? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 These chaps are nothing. In Spain the men merely go up and grab the booty. I do not know why these blokes are bothering though considering she is walking around with a face like a smacked arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Well, I gotta be honest, the guy who walked by her side for 5 minutes was too much, that could be considered harassment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nah, fuck that. I don't buy into the cultural trend of "don't do anything that might bother someone else." I think that's a toxic and destructive mindset. I'm not going to tell my boys that saying, "Have a beautiful day," to a woman they find attractive is harassment. Not gonna happen.I agree with your first sentence, but let's say that 60 % of women would find such constant attention unwelcome, wouldn't it then be right of us to refrain from doing it to them? It is really not up to me to decide what they should think is okay, that is entirely their decision, and as soon as they have made that decision I am polite enough to try to respct that.And I don't think it is the occasional "Have a beautiful day" that is the problem here, it is the sheer amount of various comments from passers-by. I know I would not appreciate it.Then we can have a conversation about that, where we present both sides of the experience, the woman's and the man's, and attempt to come to some understanding, because I think it's getting a lot harder for young men to figure out what they are allowed to say to girls, so many of them are just saying, "fuck it, I'll say whatever's on my mind if I'm gonna be bitched at either way," and we actually make the situation worse calling every god damn thing harassment, imo. But, like I said, a conversation, not "This is harassment! If you don't agree you're just as bad!".Striking up conversations with girls on the streets is hard, because inevitably the chances are high they are not interested, and if many do it/you do it tactlessly you will end up annoying them or even harrassing them. So maybe just chat up girls in contexts where the girl would appreciate or expect the attention/contact?Of course I'm not advocating tactlessness, but I'm definitely not going to side with the idea that the only times you can chat up a pretty girl are when she's expecting attention. That sounds fucking ridiculous to me.Ladies, how about you wear a sign at all times? On one side it says, "open to male attention," and on the other, "not open to male attention." If we work hard, we can form a society where none of us speak to each other. It'll be awesome.Well, I gotta be honest, the guy who walked by her side for 5 minutes was too much, that could be considered harassment.Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Glow Inc. Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Harassment done right :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CIjnK7GTE8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Unwanted attention is harassment imo. Saying hello, good morning etc is okay to me. But it's mostly the way it's said, I think.Something similar was done by a student in Brussels two years ago. It led to a lot of discussions and even to new legislation regarding sexism. Whistling is still allowed, but obscene language isn't anymore. This is the trailer for her documentary, with English subtitles. I hope it's clear to everyone that this is harassment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Harassment is when crazy people create facebook pages and instagram pages for you, add your family and friends, and post racist, homophobic, and untrue statuses and pictures all over the sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ODB 4 PREZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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