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It could have been so much more than what it was, but it was just a cash grab. Everyone involved who worked on the previous films just lost touch. Everyone had grown up. Especially Pacino, he was no longer that Strasberg student who acted with his eyes, he did it with his mouth. Too much of it. He was just Al Pacino.

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Good film but not worthy of the series. Still I think it was important to show the redemption of Michael. The Michael of the first film turned into what he became because of family but could he have stayed that way living like that when all of his brothers were dead and his family destroyed by his own hands? An anti-hero for sure, but not a villain.

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Oh 3, i thought that said 2, was thinking what the fucks wrong with these people?!?!

I like 3 as well, love even, ties it all together in a neat little bow and puts a full stop on it.

Good film but not worthy of the series. Still I think it was important to show the redemption of Michael. The Michael of the first film turned into what he became because of family but could he have stayed that way living like that when all of his brothers were dead and his family destroyed by his own hands? An anti-hero for sure, but not a villain.

You saw a redemption there? I mean he confesses and everything but they guys also like it means nothing if you don't really repent. Also, at the end he dies having pretty much lost everything that really mattered, he dies all alone, surrounded by nothing, the blood of his brother and his own child in a sense, on his hands.

The Godfather movies were 100 percent moralistic from the first one to this one, I don't understand how one can view them any other way.

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Coppola himself said he needed another six months at least for it to be ready but the studio forced him to get it out for a christmas release. Apparently he also wanted the title to be "The Death of Michael Corleone" but was overruled again by the studio. The title may have been a good move as it would add drama to certain scenes as the viewer is going in waiting for Michael to die. It would have really heightened the tension in the opera scene, which felt like it took 3 hours on its own.

And no mention of this movie is complete without saying how terrible and over her head Sofia Coppola was in it. I know Winona Ryder walked at the last second and they were stuck for options, but jeez she was bad. While we're at it about casting, they should have just met Duvall's number. Everyone realized it was a cash grab so they may as well have shelled out the bucks to get Tom Hagen aboard.

My favourite scene was near the beginning with Vincent and Joey Zasa. The ear-bite and aftermath. I got a kick out of him picking bits of Joey's ear out of his mouth afterwards and still talking.

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Everything that led up to Godfather III being made had a lot of red flags, they forced a deadline and the studio had Coppola over a barrel, but it made 130 million dollars worldwide in the theaters.

Considering the situation he made the movie in? It turned a profit but it disappointed a lot of GF 1 & 2 fans.

I'm sure whatever money he made off of it went towards the winery.

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Oh 3, i thought that said 2, was thinking what the fucks wrong with these people?!?!

I like 3 as well, love even, ties it all together in a neat little bow and puts a full stop on it.

Good film but not worthy of the series. Still I think it was important to show the redemption of Michael. The Michael of the first film turned into what he became because of family but could he have stayed that way living like that when all of his brothers were dead and his family destroyed by his own hands? An anti-hero for sure, but not a villain.

You saw a redemption there? I mean he confesses and everything but they guys also like it means nothing if you don't really repent. Also, at the end he dies having pretty much lost everything that really mattered, he dies all alone, surrounded by nothing, the blood of his brother and his own child in a sense, on his hands.

The Godfather movies were 100 percent moralistic from the first one to this one, I don't understand how one can view them any other way.

Well of course he lost everything because it was the only way of him fully paying for his sins. That being said I've always found the end interesting. What happened to Kay and him? His relationship with Anthony? It just looks like everyone ditched him to die in Corleone without explaining why.
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And no mention of this movie is complete without saying how terrible and over her head Sofia Coppola was in it. I know Winona Ryder walked at the last second and they were stuck for options, but jeez she was bad. While we're at it about casting, they should have just met Duvall's number. Everyone realized it was a cash grab so they may as well have shelled out the bucks to get Tom Hagen aboard.

1. speaking of redemption, luckily for Sofia she's a good director. Fuck could you imagine being known as the bird that was shit in The Godfather III for the rest of your life as well as being casted by your old man for it? Rough.

2. Having Tom in it would have made it feel like a proper Godfather film. To just say a major character, and for all intents and purposes, Michael's last brother to die and for that to not matter is highly nonsensical if you're maintaining the tone of the rest of the series ie. dying in the garden, the toll booth, fishing and Hail Marys.

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Sofia has made better films than her father in the last in the last decade. When was the last time Francis made a good film? Bram Stoker's Dracula was decent. Jack was dumb but Robin Williams made the most of it.

Then again not many directors can say they've made The Godfather I and II and equally impressive The Conversation.

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Sofia has made better films than her father in the last in the last decade. When was the last time Francis made a good film? Bram Stoker's Dracula was decent. Jack was dumb but Robin Williams made the most of it.

Then again not many directors can say they've made The Godfather I and II and equally impressive The Conversation.

the last good film he directed? I'll go with Peggy Sue Got Married

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Oh yeah, he also did Apocalypse Now. The Godfather I and II, The Conversation and Apocalypse Now. It was almost like Apocalypse Now sapped all inspiration from him.

Youth Without Youth wasn't bad. A lot of interesting ideas but poorly executed.


And though he didn't direct, he did great with the writing on Patton

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Sofia has made better films than her father in the last in the last decade. When was the last time Francis made a good film? Bram Stoker's Dracula was decent. Jack was dumb but Robin Williams made the most of it.

Then again not many directors can say they've made The Godfather I and II and equally impressive The Conversation.

I like Sofia as a director, and she should have never been put in the position where she had to carry that role in 3. But, she sucked.

As you say in a later post, I think Apocalypse Now not only pushed Francis over the edge but just about everyone that was involved with that film. Have you seen the Hearts of Darkness documentary?

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There's a few scenes that this movie hinges around, the heart soul of it and one part is Michaels stroke, the other part is Michaels confession, which is kinda the main part, that confession is basically the heart and soul of what that film is about, it's about a man thats coming close to old age and to death and he wants to repent, the film is about Michael looking back at his life and realising that his own heart betrayed him.

There is something of the thug in Michael, something of the pragmatist too but deep down in his heart, fundamentally, he is a good person that followed his heart when his heart said to look after his family as he was the only one that could, he had no choice there at all...and yet in doing that he ended up destroying everything...that kids, is what you call a paradox...and a tragedy.

So, to all the people calling it shit i put it to you that the Godfather movies do not work without number 3, the profundity, the operatic tragedy aspect doesn't exist without this movie, it is at best a half told tale without it. So, is it bad? Fuck that, it essential to taking the tale from excellent to great, to enduring, it could be a fable with 3 in the picture, a parabel.

It's a story about a King and his princes, with each prince, each son of his reflecting a different part of his character, Sonny the hothead, childlike Fredo and Michael the pragmatist. It is a tale that has centuries of mileage in it and it doesn't come together, it doesn't work, it doesn't come full circle without 3. When his daughter dies on the Opera house steps (Christ, what a setting!) everything dies, it is symbolic of what Michael has done, its a symbolic manifestation of ALL of Michaels sins encapsulated in one earth-shattering act.

I think it's a beautiful piece of cinema, the whole movie and I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't see peoples issue with it. The more gangsterey crimey scenes are well done too, brilliant even but The Godfather saga was never just about crime, it was much much much bigger than that, always.

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In protecting the "family" Michael lost his own. All the women suffer the most. His first wife, killed by a car bomb, his second marriage failed, his beloved daughter killed by a bullet meant for him. Not to mention ordering the execution of his own brother.

He dies all alone at the end.

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Sofia has made better films than her father in the last in the last decade. When was the last time Francis made a good film? Bram Stoker's Dracula was decent. Jack was dumb but Robin Williams made the most of it.

Then again not many directors can say they've made The Godfather I and II and equally impressive The Conversation.

I like Sofia as a director, and she should have never been put in the position where she had to carry that role in 3. But, she sucked.

As you say in a later post, I think Apocalypse Now not only pushed Francis over the edge but just about everyone that was involved with that film. Have you seen the Hearts of Darkness documentary?

I haven't seen it.

Brando was already far gone before Apocalypse Now. Bertolucci broke him during Last Tango in Paris. He was not the same after that.

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Sofia has made better films than her father in the last in the last decade. When was the last time Francis made a good film? Bram Stoker's Dracula was decent. Jack was dumb but Robin Williams made the most of it.

Then again not many directors can say they've made The Godfather I and II and equally impressive The Conversation.

I like Sofia as a director, and she should have never been put in the position where she had to carry that role in 3. But, she sucked.

As you say in a later post, I think Apocalypse Now not only pushed Francis over the edge but just about everyone that was involved with that film. Have you seen the Hearts of Darkness documentary?

I haven't seen it.

Brando was already far gone before Apocalypse Now. Bertolucci broke him during Last Tango in Paris. He was not the same after that.

It's worth a watch. Here's the trailer:

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GOD, I love that movie!

'I'll kill him, he ain't mad, he's fuckin' evil, see what he's got goin' here, menace, fuckin' Pagan idolatry *goes all introspective* y'know i always thought if i died in a bad place my soul wouldn't make it to heaven'

'You don't talk to the Colnel, you listen, the mans enlarged my mind, he's a poet warrior in the classic sense'

I could get my willy out and wank over that film, it's just fantastic. If i was anybody in that movie I'd be Dennis Hoppers character, just this ranting twat who runs around kissing Brandos arse. Why...why would a man like you want to kill a genius?!?

:lol:

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