The Who

[moreblack]

In a way it's a shame it gets overlooked for Tommy as their premiere rock opera. I really wish Lifehouse would've come together for Pete. But the songs that came out of them sessions were stellar.

[Len Cnut]

In a way it's a shame it gets overlooked for Tommy as their premiere rock opera. I really wish Lifehouse would've come together for Pete. But the songs that came out of them sessions were stellar.

Lifehouse is a weird one isn't it because although like...it didn't come out in one sense it sort of did too with Who's Next cuz the songs still follow that theme and everything. I dunno, weird. How would they ever have pulled that off though, it was fuckin' mental, weren't it? For once i actually can't understand the concept, Lifehouse actually lost me. Quad didn't, Tommy didn't, the little mini opera Quick One certainly didn't But Lifehouse was like...i dunno.

Can someone lay that concept out here, come on Who fans, lets have ya.

[J Dog]

I've often wondered who it all makes sense for non English people cuz it's extremely culturally specific, although i guess the broader themes are universal.

It's the same reason you dig Straight Outta Compton.

[ZoSoRose]

Quadrophenia is not only their best work but one of the best records ever made imo

[Len Cnut]

I've often wondered who it all makes sense for non English people cuz it's extremely culturally specific, although i guess the broader themes are universal.

It's the same reason you dig Straight Outta Compton.

True. And I suppose another way of looking at it is that, strictly speaking, 1960s white English working class culture is hardly my cultural experience either.

[J Dog]

In a way it's a shame it gets overlooked for Tommy as their premiere rock opera. I really wish Lifehouse would've come together for Pete. But the songs that came out of them sessions were stellar.

Tommy is great and everything but that is all everyone talks about. I've always liked Quadrophenia better. And for me it's not even all that close.

[dalsh327]

As far as "Lifehouse", try to hunt down the "Lifehouse Chronicles" for the booklet, demos and radio show, or any of the blogspots that might have it up. It was kind of confusing and I heard the radio play too long ago to remember what any of it was about.

[fred_carston]

is Pete Townshend still a nonce ?

[Len Cnut]

is Pete Townshend still a nonce ?

HE WAS RESEARCHING A BOOK, DAMN YOU! *shakes his fist at Mango*

[fred_carston]

is Pete Townshend still a nonce ?

HE WAS RESEARCHING A BOOK, DAMN YOU! *shakes his fist at Mango*

lol in the words of Nessa (Gavin & Stacey) "where's the book Pete?"

[Len Cnut]

Funnily enough there was a lengthy article released even prior to his getting 'caught'.

[dalsh327]

Pete's not going to say curiosity got the best of him when he had it right there in front of him to look at. I think for him to talk about it in the documentary was pretty brave but I didn't feel he did it for kicks, even though he did just about everything else possible to himself.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/pete-townshends-child-porn-treatise

What is sad is if he knew what Jimmy Savile was up to, why would he keep quiet about it?

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/oct/09/pete-townshend-who-i-am

[Len Cnut]

Pete's not going to say curiosity got the best of him when he had it right there in front of him to look at. I think for him to talk about it in the documentary was pretty brave but I didn't feel he did it for kicks, even though he did just about everything else possible to himself.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/pete-townshends-child-porn-treatise

What is sad is if he knew what Jimmy Savile was up to, why would he keep quiet about it?

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/oct/09/pete-townshend-who-i-am

Mate, EVERYONE knew about this shit. It's obvious and it's said by everybody, it's a stereotype, dirty old MPs and rich folks in vice dens in Westminister. It's something that comedy has been satirising and using as like...a thing to take the piss out of since forever. For instance Cyril Smith, i remembering hearing as a kid from someone that he was a dirty old man. You've read Rottens autobiography right, the first one? He mentions it in that, going up to Linda Ashbys and seeing all these MPs there doing coke and up to all sorts of mischief, if anybody had cared don't you think they could've investigated it, they didn't give a fuck. Rotten even mentioned it in an interview. Bill Grundy himself was a similar leering dirty old man, you could see it on the show, him making a pass at Souxsie, who was like 16 at the time i think.

But it's all over the fuckin' place, always has been, especially among the upper classes, there's always been...for example like, in Only Fools & Horses Del Boy goes 'you hear it all the time, all those MPs and Lords up in vice dens in Westminister to get whipped and beaten...blimey, they should come round here, they'd get it free and on the national health'...now thats only a passing quip in a comedy sitcom but the point is it's reflective of like...the fact that these motherfuckers being this way has been common knowledge since forever, the fact that a lot of those in the upper echelons are like...treated different, always has been. It's been going on since Victorian times where prostitutes were kind of accepted as a perk of the civil service. Some of the shit they were subjected to under the Sexually Transmitted Disease act (not sure thats the exact name) was fuckin' awful, it meant women suspected of being prostitutes could be just yanked off the street, 'examined' and if they were found to have an STD they were imprisoned, if they refused examination, they were imprisoned. This was considered a womens rights issue etc but really it was a class thing, i mean they were gonna be doing that to the daughters and sisters and mothers of fuckin' Lords were they, it would've been done to working class girls cuz who gives a shit about them?

In Rik Mayalls The New Statesman (or Maurice Grans) there an entire scene where a vice den gets raided and everybody in it is a Lord or a Judge or whatever and the Police Commisioner who turns up there is like a regular customer, now i know thats a comedy TV show etc but it's also satire, satirising the upper classes and the shit we ALL know they get up to.

An extension of it is like, when you read about a lot of the stories about rockstars and them getting away with stuff, like the local police used to know people like Moonie and he could get away with all the crazy shit he did cuz it was like, the privelige of the rich. I mean you don't crash a hovercraft on train tracks or drunkenly drive a Bentley through the front of the Bag O Nails club and not get arrested unless the coppers are in on it.

This is part of an on-going privelige of the rich, there are versions of it all over, like bankers and that that get away with fuckin' off our money and nothing becomes of em....or Nixon can get away with Watergate and not end up inside, there's just a longer tradition of it here because wealth privelige is tied in to class and a pre-existing class structure that has upheld this kind of shit but there's an equivalent everywhere, in Asia it's like caste systems etc, in America it appears to be money and race.

The fundamental difference between this sort of engendered corruption over here as compared to Asia is that it is well hidden over here whereas it's just an open thing over there, everyone knows you can grease the coppers there whereas here you've got to be REALLY high up to pull that shit off, if only because they are more concious about being answerable about it.

Thats actually a quite pertinent parrallel, everybody in the fuckin' world knows coppers are bent and you can grease em, everybody knows judges can be bought...why is no one outing em? Because the only people who know for SURE are the ones that are involved with them in corruption.

Or like, football and agents and player transfers and how these motherfuckers accept bribes and 'commisions' left right and centre, why does no one out them, its something talked about in pubs across the country, it ain't like people don't know, why doesn't no one do nothing? Cuz no one gives a shit, thats why. It's just with Saville and all them it's like, in this modern age where we don't poke kids up chimmneys no more they are put in this reverential position where it's like 'oh the kiddies, the kiddies, the kiddies!' so everyone gets their knickers in a knot and goes hunting for these bastards.

Also, i think everyone just presumed times have changed and 'it's not the 70s and 60s anymore' so these things just stopped...so it's kind of a shock to the national consciousness when it's revealed that it ain't but then at the same time it's fuckin' obvious that it ain't because things don't just stop by themselves, you have to fuckin' stop them. There's a odd parrallel there with black people in America where like, OK, you had Civil Rights and then black power movement in the 70s where these black power boys were like 'look where we fuckin' live at, look at how we're treated, look at how we get beat up and rousted on the street and harassed' and etc etc etc. The way that was dealt with was Hoover and the Feds basically destroyed parties like the Black Panthers etc so then after that everyone was like 'ahhhh, OK, everythings back to normal now' but all that really meant was no one is shouting about the shit black people go through but, from what i can gather, it was still just as fucked up in those places and neighbourhoods and towns and cities as it was in the 70s after the fact, I mean why would it change just cuz the Panthers are dead?' So when you get things like Gangsta Rap and the rodney king beatings and then the LA riots everyones like, shocked and stunned when really, they fucking shouldn't be because nothings changed, how could it have changed? All that had happened was the people shouting about it like the Panthers etc had been neutralised.

The real truth of it is no one cares about poor people and they never will. Even now, with the outing and everything, it's more about Saville, how did he get away with it, why was he like that, or us y'know, this sanctimonious thing of 'oh what kind of a society are we!' and attacking the BBC and all this shit...what about the actual victims? Helping them, support for them? It has jack shit to do with them, they're just blurred out faces and voiceovers that we hear from then just tuck away. Newspapers report it now in the way they do and choose the aspects they do for money, for revenue, you think The Sun or The Daily Mirror are doing it for the poor working classes, you reckon papers like The Sun that made up lies about football supporters, working class football supporters from Liverpool pissing on and robbing dead bodies really give a shit about these poor underpriveliged victims of abuse? Do they my fuckin' arse, it's all about the little bits of paper with the Queens head on em, no one gives a flying fuck.

Shit, you think if people cared about that shit you couldn't take a bunch of coppers over to Charring Cross/Kings Cross, Soho, all these places at night and find poor girls, underaged girls as prostitutes, are these things that hidden from us? Or do we just wind the windows of our fuckin' Volvo's up when we drive through the red light district and try not to let our gaze settle on that girl over there that looks like she's 14 freezing her bits off on a street corner. Everybody knows where to look to find dodgy shit, the truth of the matter is that the world is a very cruel and harsh and unforgiving place where the rich get away and the poor get it up the fuckin' Khyber.

The police were invented because the rich needed protecting from the 'criminal and feckless poor', thats what these motherfuckers are really about. To protect the property and serve...who has property apart from well off people? So the less you got the less you've got worth protecting. And if you're broke and on the street then you ain't shit, the more you've got the more interest there is in serving you...and what do these poor girls in those orphanages, half mental and that, what have they got, no one gives a shit, they are just Saville fodder. And it's even more rampant in Asia and that, I mean come on, enough people from round here go to India to 'find themselves' by the fuckin' Ganges...whatcha reckon about the flocks of little beggar boys in rags that converge on you at the airport that you have to swat away to make it to your car, whatcha reckon happens to them at night when all the tourists are safely ensconced in their posh hotel suites? It's such a pathetic charade and we are all co-conspirators by way of our lack of action about it, all these holiday makers that fly and float across the world, enriching themselves and getting cultured and becoming better people...ignoring the fact that a stones throw from the resorts we sit and get fat in are shanty towns and open sewers and human life being bought and sold and given away like it was fuckin' toffee.

I've often been criticised, here and elsewhere for being too hung up on class and all that kind of stuff but quite frankly i think a lot of whats gone on under this whole Saville scandal, in a convoluted sort of way has really confirmed that my position about this shit was really quite accurate and still is, nothing has changed really.

Nobody cares, here or anywhere else.

Edited February 28, 2015 by Len B'stard

[DieselDaisy]

I have my own doubts about the Pete thing.

All your heroes turn into paedos these days. It is tragic. At least Glitter's music was cack.

[Len Cnut]

Doubts?

[DieselDaisy]

Assuming he is telling the truth, it takes a heightened sense of stupidity to pay, to put your credit card details into, a paedo website.

[Len Cnut]

True. I don't know why i think he's innocent really, i guess i just rate the guy so highly i don't want it to be true. There is a logic there though, that article about abuse he wrote comes out and then these charges follow soon after, it's the only available evidence and thats what it says to me about the situation. Unless the idea is maybe he wrote it ahead of time in case he got caught, thats fuckin' stupid though. I think it was just a very very dumb move on his part.

His mate Clapton had an 11 yr old with her tits out on one of his album covers, no one mentions that.

[DieselDaisy]

They are a bit dumb also. Think Glitter there walking down to his local PC world to get his laptop fixed.

[Len Cnut]

Yeah, i always wondered about that, wouldn't you delete the shit first? I dunno shit about computers, i just thought there was some techy way that these folks at the shop know where they can find deleted stuff or whatever, I gave them a little more credit than having a 12 yr old boys arse as their fuckin' desktop background or whatever.

[DieselDaisy]

You give Glitter those levels of deceptive powers? Gliter went on a noncing cruise (literally cruise, i.e. with a genuine boat) around south east asia. Countries were barring him left right and centre, based on his prior reputation.

One thing about Glitter, he is always rich because of Oasis. Whenever someone buys morning glory, they are funding Glitter. I read that he gets 250,000 per year because of that sample.

[Len Cnut]

I heard he was gonna play Uncle Gary in some Spice Girls film just before the scandal 250,000 a year, that can't be accurate.

Edited February 28, 2015 by Len B'stard

[DieselDaisy]

I read it in a paper recently. Morning Glory is one of those albums that is always going to sell like Appetite, Nevermind or Thriller. Also he has continuous royalties whenever that Rock and Roll shit is played at football events or wherever. I see no reason to doubt the figure although It might have been for both of them things. Put simply, Morning Glory is always going to make him a rich man even though his career dried up a long time ago.

[spunko12345]

My mother used to know pete townsend in the 80,s. She's got a card at home congratulating her on the birth of me. I've told this story before but fuck it. He was making the life house album or some such and my mum used to go to his studio with her mate Karen. Shit my mum was a groupie. I wonder what my old man made of that I'm ask him later if he reckons I've got a big nose lol.

[Len Cnut]

My mother used to know pete townsend in the 80,s. She's got a card at home congratulating her on the birth of me. I've told this story before but fuck it. He was making the life house album or some such and my mum used to go to his studio with her mate Karen. Shit my mum was a groupie. I wonder what my old man made of that I'm ask him later if he reckons I've got a big nose lol.

Did she ever meet Moonie?

I read it in a paper recently. Morning Glory is one of those albums that is always going to sell like Appetite, Nevermind or Thriller. Also he has continuous royalties whenever that Rock and Roll shit is played at football events or wherever. I see no reason to doubt the figure although It might have been for both of them things. Put simply, Morning Glory is always going to make him a rich man even though his career dried up a long time ago.

Surely if glitter gets a quarter of a mil off a tiny snippet bullshit sample then the actual authors would be getting silly money for it surely? Liam certainly wouldnt be whingeing over a paternity case. I dont buy it myself but hey, who knows, i aint no kind of numbers man. Edited February 28, 2015 by Len B'stard

[spunko12345]

My mother used to know pete townsend in the 80,s. She's got a card at home congratulating her on the birth of me. I've told this story before but fuck it. He was making the life house album or some such and my mum used to go to his studio with her mate Karen. Shit my mum was a groupie. I wonder what my old man made of that I'm ask him later if he reckons I've got a big nose lol.

Did she ever meet Moonie?

I read it in a paper recently. Morning Glory is one of those albums that is always going to sell like Appetite, Nevermind or Thriller. Also he has continuous royalties whenever that Rock and Roll shit is played at football events or wherever. I see no reason to doubt the figure although It might have been for both of them things. Put simply, Morning Glory is always going to make him a rich man even though his career dried up a long time ago.

Surely if glitter gets a quarter of a mil off a tiny snippet bullshit sample then the actual authors would be getting silly money for it surely? Liam certainly wouldnt be whingeing over a paternity case. I dont buy it myself but hey, who knows, i aint no kind of numbers man.

Just Townsend apparently. I might be overstating it a bit to say she knew him, it was just a brief period of time really of somehow being in an overlapping circle of friends.