GivenToFly Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://www.thefader.com/2015/02/21/bob-marley-estate-wins-image-use-caseIn great news for Bob Marley's heirs and for all celebrities who want people to stop printing their face on stuff, Fifty-Six Hope Road Music—the company that controls the licensing of Marley's image—had their trial win over merchandisers using the reggae legend's face without permission affirmed on Friday.Fifty-Six originally sued A.V.E.L.A. and other companies back in 2008 for selling t-shirts featuring photos of Marley in Walmart, Target, and a bunch of other major retailers. In 2011, the case finally went to trial, where Marley's heirs were granted a multi-million dollar win; but since then the case has been lingering in the appeals court. Fifty-Six had their win affirmed on Friday.Judge N. Randy Smith laid out the biggest question of the trial: "This case presents a question that is familiar in our circuit. When does the use of a celebrity's likeness or persona in connection with a product constitute false endorsement that is actionable under the Lanham Act [the act that prohibits trade infringement and false advertising]?" The eventual ruling is based on the fact that using Marley's likeness without permission confuses the origin of the product being sold, making it seem like it's endorsed by Marley's estate; this was proved to be true in a survey on consumers carried out by the plaintiffs.What this all means is that it's going to be tricky from now on for merchandisers to print photos of Marley or any other public figure without endorsement from that figure's estate. See also: Rihanna's win over Topshop last month, also for printing her face on unauthorised t-shirts.The moral of the story? If you want to stick someone's face on something and sell it, probably check it's cool with them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Add Che Guevara, The Misfits and Ramones in there too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Add Che Guevara, The Misfits and Ramones in there too.And the Stones tongue logo for that matter. When I see a 16 year old poppy looking girl in a Stones / Ramones / Beatles etc shirt I'm always tempted to ask her to name more than 2 songs by them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 Add Che Guevara, The Misfits and Ramones in there too.And the Stones tongue logo for that matter. When I see a 16 year old poppy looking girl in a Stones / Ramones / Beatles etc shirt I'm always tempted to ask her to name more than 2 songs by them. Most of the times I see the Rolling Stones tongue logo it's without the name. I don't think most girls who wear it know its origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Well, I'd rather it be Bob than fuckin'...i dunno, whatever little wank-sacks are running around these days with ear-pieces in pretending they can sing. 'commercialisation'? Hm, probably but then again those kinds of anti-commerce shits are kind of a middle class preserve, Bob was from a third world country, they need all the money they can get and if all these Bob Marley foundations or whatever that are putting his face all over the gaff are getting to people that need the shit, or someone that needs the shit then i ain't gonna argue.Same with Che or whatever, if some guy somewhere looks at one of these shirts and then reads up a little on the basis of it well then something goods been achieved. As i get older I've come to realise that...we all of us have a mileage in us after we die that has nothing to do with the person we are, or the principles we hold etc. Watch when someone dies even just in your life, their life takes on this whole new meaning and is defined by peoples memories, their lies, their misunderstandings and...by the end of it the persons nothing like the person everybody knew. Celebrity is just an acute version of that, so you can shout yourself hoarse about 'no, no, Bob was about this and this and this' if there's money in it then no ones gonna fuckin' listen.Also, that Berry flavoured Mellow Mood drink is lovely As far as like, bands and shit and wearing shirts where you don't like...have some kinda fuckin' 'deep' connection with em, fuck that, if you think something looks nice wear it, i don't give a shit if it's a logo of The Stones, or Exxon or...whatever, if it looks nice and i like the iconography of it then I'm wearing it.So to wear a Marlboro t shirt you need to smoke, or to wear a Marilyn Munroe shirt of the Warhol print you need to know here entire filmography? Why? What if you just think her face lends itself well to a pop art rendering and looks good on a t shirt? Edited February 22, 2015 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Bob Marley is a poster boy for the British white chattering classes, champagne New Labour voting Guardian wimps. Your music will be Bob Marley. You will have one compact disc of his, Legend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) That association breaks my fuckin' heart, it really really does. Of all the fucking people for that to happen to, for it to be Bob aggrieves me immensely. Perhaps someone should point out his immense hatred for homosexuals, that'll shove him out of the politically correct bracket The guy hated benders in an Old Testament kinda way. He preached black supremacy, how the fuck did he become a poster boy for English white New Labour middle class, it's fucking ridiculous Then again Ali preached those things too. Ali switched up though, Bob died believing that stuff. He preached that a drug thats illegal in this country was a holy sacrement, he couldn't be more anti-the established order. Edited February 22, 2015 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 They do not even know anything about him. They just have the compact disc there so some other lefty will notice it and go, ''Oh, he is diverse. He is not racist. I bet he likes Mandela and Luther KIng also?''. They probably only know him through Clapton's I Shot the Sheriff. In fact Clapton Unplugged is another Guardian reader album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 That association breaks my fuckin' heart, it really really does. Of all the fucking people for that to happen to, for it to be Bob aggrieves me immensely. Perhaps someone should point out his immense hatred for homosexuals, that'll shove him out of the politically correct bracket The guy hated benders in an Old Testament kinda way. He preached black supremacy, how the fuck did he become a poster boy for English white New Labour middle class, it's fucking ridiculous Then again Ali preached those things too. Ali switched up though, Bob died believing that stuff. He preached that a drug thats illegal in this country was a holy sacrement, he couldn't be more anti-the established order.Makes sense a mulatto bloke'd preach Black supremacy. *rolls eyes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 When I see a 16 year old poppy looking girl in a Stones / Ramones / Beatles etc shirt I'm always tempted to ask her to name more than 2 songs by them. Don't. Only douchebags do that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 When I see a 16 year old poppy looking girl in a Stones / Ramones / Beatles etc shirt I'm always tempted to ask her to name more than 2 songs by them. Don't. Only douchebags do that.Didn't say that I do. But it is tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Then what about using your dads fame? (aka Marley 1234 kids pretending to be artists...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Then what about using your dads fame? (aka Marley 1234 kids pretending to be artists...)Damien Marley is immensely talented and his music, in terms of his own generation, is 100 times more relevant to them than his Dads, simply because it's speaking directly to them and about them and their specific situation. Don't get me wrong, i love Bob Marley, i mean i really really love Bob Marley hugely...but his music is thematically very broad and Damien Marley speaks to something in contemporary Jamaican culture that Bob simply cannot. Songs like Welcome to Jamrock are highly political, cutting observations of the state of society. But reggae music will never really blow in the western world anymore because they have their own way of life and their own culture and we find that very difficult to accept in people round here. Edited February 22, 2015 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Dog Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ziggy is no pushover either. He has actually made some really good albums. Saw him live once and went in thinking it would be more or less a Bob tribute show. But he surprised me. Put on a great show, and only played a handful of daddy's songs.Pac and Johnny Cash are two more that get plastered all over these shirts. I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone's estate to do something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I remember the Catch a Fire documentary and they talked about how Chris Blackwell made the Wailers change their sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 That association breaks my fuckin' heart, it really really does. Of all the fucking people for that to happen to, for it to be Bob aggrieves me immensely. Perhaps someone should point out his immense hatred for homosexuals, that'll shove him out of the politically correct bracket The guy hated benders in an Old Testament kinda way. He preached black supremacy, how the fuck did he become a poster boy for English white New Labour middle class, it's fucking ridiculous Then again Ali preached those things too. Ali switched up though, Bob died believing that stuff. He preached that a drug thats illegal in this country was a holy sacrement, he couldn't be more anti-the established order.Makes sense a mulatto bloke'd preach Black supremacy. *rolls eyes*You know it was just cuz Norval Marley just basically shagged his Mum and left her right? You could throw Malcolm X in there as well, his Mum was born as a result of a white person raping his Grandma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Muhammad Ali was practically white, Oirish there, and he is producing these racist insults with the nose against Frazier, the 'bear' against Liston!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Bob Marley went and found his white family as a kid, they basically told him to go fuck himself It was cuz of this that Bob wrote cornerstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Bloods still blood. I mean if your family adopted you out when you were 2 are you gonna run around shouting "fuck Pakis, white power hot showers!"? Fuck that. Still don't change your blood or your skin innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Bloods still blood. I mean if your family adopted you out when you were 2 are you gonna run around shouting "fuck Pakis, white power hot showers!"? Fuck that. Still don't change your blood or your skin innit.For fuckssake you thick bastard, he's a black bloke who preached black supremacy based on the history of Imperialism exercised against folks from his shores, the idea of a white bloke shaggin' his Mum and then ditching her is gonna fuel that kinda shit, not make him think 'I'm half a whiteboy!' He was basically porking the help for jollys, adopted is a difference thing, this is one step up from when white slave owners used to go bum the slave girls when the lights were out and her indoors had a headache. Bob got a lot of grief for it too, amongst the Jamaican community, being part white was like...something to be ashamed of. Which is why he eventually came to say that 'me don't dip 'pon nobodys side, on the white side or the black side, me dip 'pon Gods side'. Yes, all the while espousing the virtues of a black supremacist religion Edited February 23, 2015 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Bloods still blood. I mean if your family adopted you out when you were 2 are you gonna run around shouting "fuck Pakis, white power hot showers!"? Fuck that. Still don't change your blood or your skin innit.For fuckssake you thick bastard, he's a black bloke who preached black supremacy based on the history of Imperialism exercised against folks from his shores, the idea of a white bloke shaggin' his Mum and then ditching her is gonna fuel that kinda shit, not make him think 'I'm half a whiteboy!' He was basically porking the help for jollys, adopted is a difference thing, this is one step up from when white slave owners used to go bum the slave girls when the lights were out and her indoors had a headache. Bob got a lot of grief for it too, amongst the Jamaican community, being part white was like...something to be ashamed of. Which is why he eventually came to say that 'me don't dip 'pon nobodys side, on the white side or the black side, me dip 'pon Gods side'. Yes, all the while espousing the virtues of a black supremacist religion I think Bob had always wanted to have a place in America because his mom was living there and spent a lot of time in Delaware visiting her as well as trying to work there - plus he didn't have to worry about being shot at. It's not like he didn't have a following in America, but he wanted sold out arenas. It's hard to say what would have happened in the 80s and 90s because his death and "Legend" opened the door to a mainstream audience. You had the punk, ska and college audience and a handful of R&B audience. I also wonder if he would have resorted to synths and drum machines. With a chunk of rap's foundation being reggae, it could have taken him in a whole other direction. I could have seen him teaming up with KRS-One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Gimme Peter Tosh any day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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