This is the beginning of the feud - yes?

[Apollo]

From reading the amazing GnR Revolution page, I think this kind of summarizes what started the feud. Maybe I'm missing something.

But it looks like a lot of this can be pretty easily worked out and that Axl/Slash relationship can be repaired.

Listen here, I'm not a reunion guy by any stretch of the imagination. I want more Axl Rose music. I don't care who is in the band. I'll take 5 Axl Rose-DJ Ashba albums in a heart beat. But for the first time in a long time, it seems like a reunion might be more likely than an album by the current band - who are all working in other bands.

Axl

Mad about the band's drug use

Mad that Slash didn't let GnR have the "three" songs that he (Axl) initially rejected

Thinks that Slash developed an ego and was mean and bossed him (Axl) around

Thinks Slash (and company) forced him to go on tour when he didn't want to, risking his health

Slash

Mad about Axl's ego, diva behavior (late starts, cancelled shows, etc) and money spending on the Illusions tour

Axl wanting control of the name and making the rest of the band just employees

Changing Sympathy of the Devil guitar part, adding another guitar player

Trying to force another guitar (Tobias) player into the band

Both guys have badmouthed the other one. And both guys refused to sign off on songs the other wanted to use for live recordings/commercials, etc.

Drugs - everybody is clean now

Hopefully Axl doesn't hold a grudge over three mediocre songs from 20 years ago.

Ego - they all have them, but certainly Axl and Slash are a lot more humble now than they were as 25 years old

Touring was about the money. And clearly NOW we can see that Axl doesn't like to tour, Slash/Duff love touring

I'm sure Slash is "over" the Devil guitar thing

Surely Axl can see how ludicrous it was to try and force Paul into the existing band

Both guys have relaxed on their "no sign" policy and have in fact signed off on the other guy's requests.

So the biggest thing appears to be who do you put the band back together?

Is Axl willing to bring everybody back as equal partners with an equal say on everything that happens?

Or will he want to retain control of the GnR name and brand, and Slash/Duff/Izzy and probably matt would have to accept their role as paid members.

Imo, that would be the biggest sticking point on a reunion every happening. Control of the band.

[Jakey Styley]

So many legal and financial hurdles that I would never trust Axl and Slash to compromise on.

[RussTCB]

...Is Axl willing to bring everybody back as equal partners with an equal say on everything that happens?

I believe this is the main sticking point and the biggest reason why we will never see a reunion. Regardless of what any of us think, I think Axl believes he's done right by the GN'R name this whole time up until and including these past several years.

I don't ever see Slash or even Duff coming back full time as "an employee" with little to no say in what goes on. If either of them were going to be that desperate, they would've reached that point by now IMO.

[tinyrobot]

So the biggest thing appears to be who do you put the band back together?

Is Axl willing to bring everybody back as equal partners with an equal say on everything that happens?

Or will he want to retain control of the GnR name and brand, and Slash/Duff/Izzy and probably matt would have to accept their role as paid members.

Imo, that would be the biggest sticking point on a reunion every happening. Control of the band.

Axl will not give up on the name EVER (I think). He went through a lot of shit to keep it so if they want to use the name, it will have to be under Axl's conditions.

If reunion ever happens and it is all just for touring, I don't see too many problems because everybody now is a solo artist and they have their own managers/business. They would tour under the GN'R name but they would negotiate their money separately, as if they were guest artists, pretty much what bands like King of Chaos do... you know?

Now if it's for making new music together, I do see the problem..... There's a whole line-up (nuGN'R) waiting in line to record with Axl. He owes Ashba, Fortus, Ferrer, etc. an album... Not like he "owes" them, but you know what I mean, right?..... so in that case, I don't have idea how they would solve it and who would manage it (Im sure Slash will not want TB for this). It's way more complicated that way and still, Axl owns the GN'R name so anything under that name is something he's still in control of.

[maynard]

It's all Axl's fault, clearly. It's not like the original band ended so New GNR and Axl could triumph and rule the world. Why is NuGNR in its third or fourth version by now? Because it's impossible to work with Axl. Nobody who has ever quit GNR did it because they were too scared of Axl or unproductive, etc. Everyone quit because Axl is a dictator. An insecure, arrogant, childish dictator. He cares more about the drama than the music. People get tired of this shit eventually.

Slash and Duff were all fucked up after the UYI tours and still were functional. (People say it was impossible to work with them because they were "high all the time". Clearly untrue. Axl was the one not showing up for rehearsals nor writing a single line of a song).

Axl betrayed Slash by coming up with new lead guitarists with some lame excuse about pushing Slash to new heights. Blah blah blah. Just imagine Slash coming up with Sebastian Bach to jam with the band. Can you imagine the shitstorm? Slash was actually very polite the whole time, despite being "a horrible junkie/high all the time".

Now, let's move on to the new band. Freese, Finck, Buckethead, Brain, Ron Thal, lots of producers, lots of managers... All left one by one. Agenda against Axl? All of them were part of a plot to betray Axl and reunite the old band? LOL. Even hired musicians who were probably getting a very nice paycheck eventually got tired of Axl's bullshit. Do they hate Axl? No. They all say Axl is a good guy and cracks jokes. But that's not enough. Musicians want to create and share music. At least those with any integrity and spark left in them. Axl plays Vegas Cassinos.

The funniest part? Axl and his defense force believe he's the victim. That he deserves an apology. That he's doing what's he doing because he has integrity. It's so fuckinig sad to see people bashing Slash for actually releasing music and promoting it. Axl DID convince his fans that releasing music or showing up here and there is a BAD thing.

It's all Axl's fault. Despite of what Marc Canter or any other insider says. Just read GNR Evolution and check how shitty Axl's behavior was towards his friends.

Again, I wouldn't have this opinion if the new band were in their 3rd or 4th CD by now, if Axl weren't playing Casinos and South America 2 months a year. If NuNuGNR weren't just a side project for its members.

Axl destroyed the original band and turned the GNR name into a joke. Any feud can be resolved by Axl simply apologizing to his former band members and recognizing he fucked things up badly.

I'm not saying Slash or Duff or Izzy never did nothing wrong. I'm saying they were interested in making music, GNR music, not selling out and using hip hop beats and nu metal riffs. Those guys wanted to move forward with GNR. Axl didn't. And the pathetic joke that NuGNR is today is a result of that.

Edited May 19, 2015 by maynard

[Apollo]

Tiny, Russ and Maynard - you all three make excellent points.

It is odd that Axl fought so hard to keep the name.......only to turn GnR into a hobby.

[The Black]

One thing I don't get, which is an argument many use, is that if Guns N' Roses reunite, then all Axl has worked for has been for nothing.

The best thing that could happen is for Guns N' Roses to reunite, give Axl the payday of all paydays, and then he can ditch the Guns N' Roses name and do things solo.

The current employees, even if there are any at this point, do not represent Guns N' Roses. They just put on a good show.

[Tricia Sieberns]

I see the feud the same way that you do. It wasn't one thing, it was many things on both sides. I think like you others do that it would be difficult to get the rest of the guys to play a reunion with Axl because they're stars in their own right now. They would probably all have to negotiate terms separately. It would be difficult to go back under that banner of "Guns n' Roses," knowing that it's all (still) under Axl's control, and having no say in any decision-making. I'm sure the nostalgia factor is a big lure for them all, since we all tend to see the past with rose-colored glasses, but reality would probably set in fairly quickly. I am one of those people that salivates over the thought of a reunion, but, sadly, it'll probably never happen. And if it does, I'm so afraid that it wouldn't live up to the expectations of us fans that are wishing for such a thing. It would be wonderful to be surprised!

[EvH]

It's all Axl's fault, clearly. It's not like the original band ended so New GNR and Axl could triumph and rule the world. Why is NuGNR in its third or fourth version by now? Because it's impossible to work with Axl. Nobody who has ever quit GNR did it because they were too scared of Axl or unproductive, etc. Everyone quit because Axl is a dictator. An insecure, arrogant, childish dictator. He cares more about the drama than the music. People get tired of this shit eventually.

Slash and Duff were all fucked up after the UYI tours and still were functional. (People say it was impossible to work with them because they were "high all the time". Clearly untrue. Axl was the one not showing up for rehearsals nor writing a single line of a song).

Axl betrayed Slash by coming up with new lead guitarists with some lame excuse about pushing Slash to new heights. Blah blah blah. Just imagine Slash coming up with Sebastian Bach to jam with the band. Can you imagine the shitstorm? Slash was actually very polite the whole time, despite being "a horrible junkie/high all the time".

Now, let's move on to the new band. Freese, Finck, Buckethead, Brain, Ron Thal, lots of producers, lots of managers... All left one by one. Agenda against Axl? All of them were part of a plot to betray Axl and reunite the old band? LOL. Even hired musicians who were probably getting a very nice paycheck eventually got tired of Axl's bullshit. Do they hate Axl? No. They all say Axl is a good guy and cracks jokes. But that's not enough. Musicians want to create and share music. At least those with any integrity and spark left in them. Axl plays Vegas Cassinos.

The funniest part? Axl and his defense force believe he's the victim. That he deserves an apology. That he's doing what's he doing because he has integrity. It's so fuckinig sad to see people bashing Slash for actually releasing music and promoting it. Axl DID convince his fans that releasing music or showing up here and there is a BAD thing.

It's all Axl's fault. Despite of what Marc Canter or any other insider says. Just read GNR Evolution and check how shitty Axl's behavior was towards his friends.

Again, I wouldn't have this opinion if the new band were in their 3rd or 4th CD by now, if Axl weren't playing Casinos and South America 2 months a year. If NuNuGNR weren't just a side project for its members.

Axl destroyed the original band and turned the GNR name into a joke. Any feud can be resolved by Axl simply apologizing to his former band members and recognizing he fucked things up badly.

I'm not saying Slash or Duff or Izzy never did nothing wrong. I'm saying they were interested in making music, GNR music, not selling out and using hip hop beats and nu metal riffs. Those guys wanted to move forward with GNR. Axl didn't. And the pathetic joke that NuGNR is today is a result of that.

Great post, and sadly surely the truth.

[tomfriend]

Tiny, Russ and Maynard - you all three make excellent points.

It is odd that Axl fought so hard to keep the name.......only to turn GnR into a hobby.

His intentions changed. Prior to C.D. being released it seemed like he thought the album would vilify his decisions in the eyes of his critics and be hailed as some sort of work of genius. When the reaction was mostly confusion and apathy, he seemed to say "fuck it" and yes, now it's a hobby.

If Axl took the band seriously anymore and saw it as anything other than a hobby, no way would he let TB manage it. He's been in the industry for 30 years. He's not that fucking stupid.

[tinyrobot]

Tiny, Russ and Maynard - you all three make excellent points.

It is odd that Axl fought so hard to keep the name.......only to turn GnR into a hobby.

What happens next really depends on what Axl is planning for his career. What we know, according to his own words, is that there was a sequel to Chinese Democracy, ready or almost ready to be released in a near (uncertain) future. We have no news on whether this is still the plan or it has changed. Total silence. But that's what we know to this point.

On the other hand, the reunion pressure is heavier than ever, at least in the media.... With Duff talking all over the place about his reconciliation, with the shows he's played and his book telling how he got his buddy Axl back into his life, the reunionists and the media are having a juicy feast. We have all now jumped on the reunion bandwagon and the only thing that can stop it is Axl coming out clean about his plans for the future.

For the time being, reunion is mainly a fantasy. A wet dream some people are using to bait clicks into their websites. As fans, we should take this with a grain of salt.

When Slash says that he is open to a reunion for the right reasons, I don't think he's lying or saying things he doesnt mean. He was asked which are the "right reasons" and he kind of struggled to answer that but from what I could grasp, he meant the right reasons would be everybody agreeing on how every single thing will be done. Slash and Duff are not neophites in the business anymore, and after going through so much legal crap with Axl, I'm pretty sure if they accept a contract or whatever, they will fight for those "right reasons" to be included in the text of the contract.

The guys are in their 50's now. They will not take shit from Axl or anyone. They will reunite to have fun and probably to just make the fans happy, but they will not compromise the things they believe in now or will unwalk the road that made them mature people now. That's why the reunion negotiation may take many years from now.

Things are slow in GNR camp.. We are still in the chapter where Axl, Duff and Izzy are back in love. Good. It is some progress. Now, the most difficult part, having Axl and Slash falling in love again.... From what Slash said, a lot of the tension has dissipated, which is good, small progress but good in the end.

How long til they see each other face to face and talk?

Who knows... maybe they did already.... maybe it takes another decade.

In the meantime, Axl could release CDII (or Stay of Execution) and put the nuGNR line up to sleep.

Then comes reunion.

Then comes retirement.

If you are a GN'R fan, you should master PATIENCE.. Because patience is what we'll need to be able to go through this long wait.

We have entered a new hiatus period, full of uncertainties and darkness.

One thing I'm sure of is that reunion, if ever occurs, will take a couple more years of development.

[shotsfired cro]

It's all Axl's fault, clearly. It's not like the original band ended so New GNR and Axl could triumph and rule the world. Why is NuGNR in its third or fourth version by now? Because it's impossible to work with Axl. Nobody who has ever quit GNR did it because they were too scared of Axl or unproductive, etc. Everyone quit because Axl is a dictator. An insecure, arrogant, childish dictator. He cares more about the drama than the music. People get tired of this shit eventually.

Slash and Duff were all fucked up after the UYI tours and still were functional. (People say it was impossible to work with them because they were "high all the time". Clearly untrue. Axl was the one not showing up for rehearsals nor writing a single line of a song).

Axl betrayed Slash by coming up with new lead guitarists with some lame excuse about pushing Slash to new heights. Blah blah blah. Just imagine Slash coming up with Sebastian Bach to jam with the band. Can you imagine the shitstorm? Slash was actually very polite the whole time, despite being "a horrible junkie/high all the time".

Now, let's move on to the new band. Freese, Finck, Buckethead, Brain, Ron Thal, lots of producers, lots of managers... All left one by one. Agenda against Axl? All of them were part of a plot to betray Axl and reunite the old band? LOL. Even hired musicians who were probably getting a very nice paycheck eventually got tired of Axl's bullshit. Do they hate Axl? No. They all say Axl is a good guy and cracks jokes. But that's not enough. Musicians want to create and share music. At least those with any integrity and spark left in them. Axl plays Vegas Cassinos.

The funniest part? Axl and his defense force believe he's the victim. That he deserves an apology. That he's doing what's he doing because he has integrity. It's so fuckinig sad to see people bashing Slash for actually releasing music and promoting it. Axl DID convince his fans that releasing music or showing up here and there is a BAD thing.

It's all Axl's fault. Despite of what Marc Canter or any other insider says. Just read GNR Evolution and check how shitty Axl's behavior was towards his friends.

Again, I wouldn't have this opinion if the new band were in their 3rd or 4th CD by now, if Axl weren't playing Casinos and South America 2 months a year. If NuNuGNR weren't just a side project for its members.

Axl destroyed the original band and turned the GNR name into a joke. Any feud can be resolved by Axl simply apologizing to his former band members and recognizing he fucked things up badly.

I'm not saying Slash or Duff or Izzy never did nothing wrong. I'm saying they were interested in making music, GNR music, not selling out and using hip hop beats and nu metal riffs. Those guys wanted to move forward with GNR. Axl didn't. And the pathetic joke that NuGNR is today is a result of that.

which section shall I look for on GNR Evolution for checking out Axl mistreating his friends?

tnx

[maynard]

It's all Axl's fault, clearly. It's not like the original band ended so New GNR and Axl could triumph and rule the world. Why is NuGNR in its third or fourth version by now? Because it's impossible to work with Axl. Nobody who has ever quit GNR did it because they were too scared of Axl or unproductive, etc. Everyone quit because Axl is a dictator. An insecure, arrogant, childish dictator. He cares more about the drama than the music. People get tired of this shit eventually.

Slash and Duff were all fucked up after the UYI tours and still were functional. (People say it was impossible to work with them because they were "high all the time". Clearly untrue. Axl was the one not showing up for rehearsals nor writing a single line of a song).

Axl betrayed Slash by coming up with new lead guitarists with some lame excuse about pushing Slash to new heights. Blah blah blah. Just imagine Slash coming up with Sebastian Bach to jam with the band. Can you imagine the shitstorm? Slash was actually very polite the whole time, despite being "a horrible junkie/high all the time".

Now, let's move on to the new band. Freese, Finck, Buckethead, Brain, Ron Thal, lots of producers, lots of managers... All left one by one. Agenda against Axl? All of them were part of a plot to betray Axl and reunite the old band? LOL. Even hired musicians who were probably getting a very nice paycheck eventually got tired of Axl's bullshit. Do they hate Axl? No. They all say Axl is a good guy and cracks jokes. But that's not enough. Musicians want to create and share music. At least those with any integrity and spark left in them. Axl plays Vegas Cassinos.

The funniest part? Axl and his defense force believe he's the victim. That he deserves an apology. That he's doing what's he doing because he has integrity. It's so fuckinig sad to see people bashing Slash for actually releasing music and promoting it. Axl DID convince his fans that releasing music or showing up here and there is a BAD thing.

It's all Axl's fault. Despite of what Marc Canter or any other insider says. Just read GNR Evolution and check how shitty Axl's behavior was towards his friends.

Again, I wouldn't have this opinion if the new band were in their 3rd or 4th CD by now, if Axl weren't playing Casinos and South America 2 months a year. If NuNuGNR weren't just a side project for its members.

Axl destroyed the original band and turned the GNR name into a joke. Any feud can be resolved by Axl simply apologizing to his former band members and recognizing he fucked things up badly.

I'm not saying Slash or Duff or Izzy never did nothing wrong. I'm saying they were interested in making music, GNR music, not selling out and using hip hop beats and nu metal riffs. Those guys wanted to move forward with GNR. Axl didn't. And the pathetic joke that NuGNR is today is a result of that.

which section shall I look for on GNR Evolution for checking out Axl mistreating his friends?

tnx

Any article about Axl hiring Zakk Wylde, bringing around Paul Tobias or showing up for reharsals at 5 AM will do it.

[niceguy]

... so if they want to use the name, it will have to be under Axl's conditions.

Wrong:

... so if they want to use the name, it will have to be under BETA's conditions.

Edited May 19, 2015 by niceguy

[tinyrobot]

... so if they want to use the name, it will have to be under Axl's conditions.

Wrong:

... so if they want to use the name, it will have to be under BETA's conditions.

No. You're wrong-er.

This:

http://www.facebook.com/flebeis/posts/10151139692388992

[GNRfanMILO]

Tiny, Russ and Maynard - you all three make excellent points.

It is odd that Axl fought so hard to keep the name.......only to turn GnR into a hobby.

What happens next really depends on what Axl is planning for his career. What we know, according to his own words, is that there was a sequel to Chinese Democracy, ready or almost ready to be released in a near (uncertain) future. We have no news on whether this is still the plan or it has changed. Total silence. But that's what we know to this point.

On the other hand, the reunion pressure is heavier than ever, at least in the media.... With Duff talking all over the place about his reconciliation, with the shows he's played and his book telling how he got his buddy Axl back into his life, the reunionists and the media are having a juicy feast. We have all now jumped on the reunion bandwagon and the only thing that can stop it is Axl coming out clean about his plans for the future.

For the time being, reunion is mainly a fantasy. A wet dream some people are using to bait clicks into their websites. As fans, we should take this with a grain of salt.

When Slash says that he is open to a reunion for the right reasons, I don't think he's lying or saying things he doesnt mean. He was asked which are the "right reasons" and he kind of struggled to answer that but from what I could grasp, he meant the right reasons would be everybody agreeing on how every single thing will be done. Slash and Duff are not neophites in the business anymore, and after going through so much legal crap with Axl, I'm pretty sure if they accept a contract or whatever, they will fight for those "right reasons" to be included in the text of the contract.

The guys are in their 50's now. They will not take shit from Axl or anyone. They will reunite to have fun and probably to just make the fans happy, but they will not compromise the things they believe in now or will unwalk the road that made them mature people now. That's why the reunion negotiation may take many years from now.

Things are slow in GNR camp.. We are still in the chapter where Axl, Duff and Izzy are back in love. Good. It is some progress. Now, the most difficult part, having Axl and Slash falling in love again.... From what Slash said, a lot of the tension has dissipated, which is good, small progress but good in the end.

How long til they see each other face to face and talk?

Who knows... maybe they did already.... maybe it takes another decade.

In the meantime, Axl could release CDII (or Stay of Execution) and put the nuGNR line up to sleep.

Then comes reunion.

Then comes retirement.

If you are a GN'R fan, you should master PATIENCE.. Because patience is what we'll need to be able to go through this long wait.

We have entered a new hiatus period, full of uncertainties and darkness.

One thing I'm sure of is that reunion, if ever occurs, will take a couple more years of development.

Excellent post. It's exactly what i was thinking but didnt know how to write.

You're right we're entering a new hiatus period, we may even see a new Axl (good or bad news).

[Apollo]

Tiny - these are some of the best posts you've ever done on this forum.

[ZoSoRose]

Yeah, Tiny, why aren't you being an annoying cupcake right now? Its weird, lol

[GUNNER PT]

This thread started so well ... I spend almost of my likes in some great posts and now I got nothing to add ...

Edited May 19, 2015 by GUNNER PT

[tinyrobot]

Tiny - these are some of the best posts you've ever done on this forum.

Thank you, Apollo.

I'm the underdog anyway and ban is just around the corner.

Yeah, Tiny, why aren't you being an annoying cupcake right now? Its weird, lol

Because Prozac?

[GUNNER PT]

Tiny - these are some of the best posts you've ever done on this forum.

Thank you, Apollo.

I'm the underdog anyway and ban is just around the corner.

We are all part of this and I don't see anyone "bad" enough to be ostracized for life ...

Everybody has their bad days...

So far, this thread, and almost of the posts in it, proves that GN'R fans are in the right place and that they still can make something nice ...

Edited May 19, 2015 by GUNNER PT

[PerthGNR]

Have you guys ever been in a bad relationship with someone and then broken up? I'm talking about the kind of heartbreak that prompts songs like Estranged.If you have then you'll be able to comprehend why there will be no reunion tours.

Both these guys have moved on with their lives, what has happened has happened. You might forgive but you never forget. Neither of them seem interested in getting back together just like you wouldn't get back into a bad relationship.

Stop holding onto a fantasy that will never eventuate.

[Nosaj Thing]

It's all Axl's fault, clearly. It's not like the original band ended so New GNR and Axl could triumph and rule the world. Why is NuGNR in its third or fourth version by now? Because it's impossible to work with Axl. Nobody who has ever quit GNR did it because they were too scared of Axl or unproductive, etc. Everyone quit because Axl is a dictator. An insecure, arrogant, childish dictator. He cares more about the drama than the music. People get tired of this shit eventually.

Slash and Duff were all fucked up after the UYI tours and still were functional. (People say it was impossible to work with them because they were "high all the time". Clearly untrue. Axl was the one not showing up for rehearsals nor writing a single line of a song).

Axl betrayed Slash by coming up with new lead guitarists with some lame excuse about pushing Slash to new heights. Blah blah blah. Just imagine Slash coming up with Sebastian Bach to jam with the band. Can you imagine the shitstorm? Slash was actually very polite the whole time, despite being "a horrible junkie/high all the time".

Now, let's move on to the new band. Freese, Finck, Buckethead, Brain, Ron Thal, lots of producers, lots of managers... All left one by one. Agenda against Axl? All of them were part of a plot to betray Axl and reunite the old band? LOL. Even hired musicians who were probably getting a very nice paycheck eventually got tired of Axl's bullshit. Do they hate Axl? No. They all say Axl is a good guy and cracks jokes. But that's not enough. Musicians want to create and share music. At least those with any integrity and spark left in them. Axl plays Vegas Cassinos.

The funniest part? Axl and his defense force believe he's the victim. That he deserves an apology. That he's doing what's he doing because he has integrity. It's so fuckinig sad to see people bashing Slash for actually releasing music and promoting it. Axl DID convince his fans that releasing music or showing up here and there is a BAD thing.

It's all Axl's fault. Despite of what Marc Canter or any other insider says. Just read GNR Evolution and check how shitty Axl's behavior was towards his friends.

Again, I wouldn't have this opinion if the new band were in their 3rd or 4th CD by now, if Axl weren't playing Casinos and South America 2 months a year. If NuNuGNR weren't just a side project for its members.

Axl destroyed the original band and turned the GNR name into a joke. Any feud can be resolved by Axl simply apologizing to his former band members and recognizing he fucked things up badly.

I'm not saying Slash or Duff or Izzy never did nothing wrong. I'm saying they were interested in making music, GNR music, not selling out and using hip hop beats and nu metal riffs. Those guys wanted to move forward with GNR. Axl didn't. And the pathetic joke that NuGNR is today is a result of that.

Terrific post.

I understand that it must have been a nightmare to work with drug addicts, but Axl's halfway, vague, confusing, repetitive, "my expense" explanation of what went down during the break-up is not convincing, because when he formed his "perfect band", three key members also decided to quit and one of them to never return, even if Axl begged.

[Apollo]

Have you guys ever been in a bad relationship with someone and then broken up? I'm talking about the kind of heartbreak that prompts songs like Estranged.If you have then you'll be able to comprehend why there will be no reunion tours.

Both these guys have moved on with their lives, what has happened has happened. You might forgive but you never forget. Neither of them seem interested in getting back together just like you wouldn't get back into a bad relationship.

Stop holding onto a fantasy that will never eventuate.

Tho I'm pretty sure that a marriage or serious relationship is a lot different than dudes playing together in a band.

[tinyrobot]

Have you guys ever been in a bad relationship with someone and then broken up? I'm talking about the kind of heartbreak that prompts songs like Estranged.If you have then you'll be able to comprehend why there will be no reunion tours.

Both these guys have moved on with their lives, what has happened has happened. You might forgive but you never forget. Neither of them seem interested in getting back together just like you wouldn't get back into a bad relationship.

Stop holding onto a fantasy that will never eventuate.

I guess it's safe to say that we all have been into that situation and there are many people that go back to previous relationships, even marriages. But it has to be for the right reasons, as Slash would say.

Not interested in a reunion? Let's see:

AXL: "not in this lifetime" (2012)

SLASH: "never say never", "if it is for the right reasons, yeah" (2015)

DUFF: Currently in a honeymoon with his Prince Axl. Reunion, definitely. (Since 2010-Present)

IZZY: ???

STEVEN: "GNR reunion album would blow Appetite For Destruction away" (2015)

THE REST: hired hands who I'm sure wouldn't refuse or think twice about the big pay checks and final glory that would stem from it.

State of things could change in the following months or years, for good or for bad.

I think 'Never say never' is the most suitable motto at the moment.

Edited May 19, 2015 by tinyrobot