bacardimayne Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 What is it? I nominate the talkbox/voicebox/whatever it's called. It ruins everything it touches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slash23579 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 What?? Talkboxes are fucking awesomeAnyway I hate that annoying buzz that you get when your gain is up high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Shitty guitar distortion tones in modern day shit-rock like Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman, etc. It has no character 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Zakk Wylde's horrid squeals, which have now been picked up and used by other metal bands. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 joe perry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansin Humanity Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) There's nothing, in moderation at least, that I think is too egregious. I'm a huge Tom Morello fan so maybe that's why I'm more ok with obnoxious noises. That said, the Zakk Wylde pinch harmonic thing was the first that came to mind. Edited June 21, 2015 by Mansin Humanity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 I think half of the reason I hate talkboxes is the fucking face Slash makes while he uses his. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Zakk Wylde's horrid squeals, which have now been picked up and used by other metal bands.this is the first thing that came to my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Intentional feedback. It's not cool anymore, so stop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 What?? Talkboxes are fucking awesomeAnyway I hate that annoying buzz that you get when your gain is up highIt is pretty annoying, I guess there is some prob. with my amp, I got it fixed, but that Buzz is too loud, the distortion sound is not even comping properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Shred. Van Halen ruined guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The guitar in general as a lead instrument. Use it percussively, to accent rhythm and have the stones to put some different shit in your music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Shitty guitar distortion tones in modern day shit-rock like Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman, etc. It has no characterAgreed with that, although more than the distortion I just hate the faux-metal tone so many modern "rock" bands have these days. I think of Halestorm in particular, just cause there's a radio station near me that plays them a lot. I actually don't mind their music a lot, but the only thing distinctive is their female singer's voice. Everytime I hear the guitar I think it couldn't sound any more bland. Especially when they cover something like Out Ta Get Me like they have. Like you said with the other band, there's just absolutely no character or emotion there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Shred. Van Halen ruined guitar.I can't say that, Eruption was something special when it came out. Prior to that, you had Uli Jon Roth which is a known shredder when he was with The Scorpions. It's just how shredding has evolved. Most guitarists nowadays that shred just wank on the guitar without any rhythm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Zakk Wylde's horrid squeals, which have now been picked up and used by other metal bands.I agree that I think Zakk overuses them. I have no issue with them overall though, as long as it's not abused, I think it's a cool thing to do in the right spot.Intentional feedback. It's not cool anymore, so stop it.It can be, depending on context. I agree that feedback by itself is uninteresting, if the band is playing though, and you feedback in the right place, it can be cool.The guitar in general as a lead instrument. Use it percussively, to accent rhythm and have the stones to put some different shit in your music.Go away.Shred. Van Halen ruined guitar.I can't say that, Eruption was something special when it came out. Prior to that, you had Uli Jon Roth which is a known shredder when he was with The Scorpions. It's just how shredding has evolved. Most guitarists nowadays that shred just wank on the guitar without any rhythm. I think the view that "most guitarists nowadays that shred just wank on the guitar without any rhythm" is a view that is more popular than it is true. I'm not saying there's no one like that out there, but I'd be interested in hearing your examples of who is guilty of this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Go away. what about that piece of wood and plastic with 6 strings that makes it so indivisible from popular music? The truth is it isn't and all this morbid focus on it has been to the extreme detriment of popular music. Don't get me wrong, i love guitar based music but the world should change too to avoid popular music becoming more and more like the preserve of the cultural equivalent of trainspotters. 90% of guitar based music about nowadays is a load of fuckin' shit, chiefly because it's become a really tired format...and not cuz you can't do more with it but because of the mentalities of the communities that surround players of the instrument and the standards they've set. And it's difficult to change something like that until you put the bastard down, go out and use your imagination and create something new and then perhaps figure out how you can factor it into that, otherwise you're just gonna keep churning out the same kind of shite, which is what is happening. Edited June 21, 2015 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Shred. Van Halen ruined guitar.I can't say that, Eruption was something special when it came out. Prior to that, you had Uli Jon Roth which is a known shredder when he was with The Scorpions. It's just how shredding has evolved. Most guitarists nowadays that shred just wank on the guitar without any rhythm. I think the view that "most guitarists nowadays that shred just wank on the guitar without any rhythm" is a view that is more popular than it is true. I'm not saying there's no one like that out there, but I'd be interested in hearing your examples of who is guilty of this.Malmsteen. Michael Angelo Batio. Those guys who shred for the sheer sake of shredding for notes per minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 what about that piece of wood and plastic with 6 strings that makes it so indivisible from popular music? The truth is it isn't and all this morbid focus on it has been to the extreme detriment of popular music. Don't get me wrong, i love guitar based music but the world should change too to avoid popular music becoming more and more like the preserve of the cultural equivalent of trainspotters. 90% of guitar based music about nowadays is a load of fuckin' shit, chiefly because it's become a really tired format...and not cuz you can't do more with it but because of the mentalities of the communities that surround players of the instrument and the standards they've set. And it's difficult to change something like that until you put the bastard down, go out and use your imagination and create something new and then perhaps figure out how you can factor it into that, otherwise you're just gonna keep churning out the same kind of shite, which is what is happening.See I actually do agree with you on this, though we have to define what is "popular music." Is pop just top 40? Does it include modern rock that is popular?Part of the reason why guitar is such a featured instrument in pop music is because of how it sonically sits with drums, bass, vocals, and piano (among other instruments, but those are the most common). It's high mids and low trebles, and that freq. range is particularly pleasing to the ear. Is there music that features the bass as the focus? Yes. What about for vocals? Yes. And piano? Yes. Bass, yes? Etc. for every instrument. But guitar is guitar, that's just the way the instrument is, guitar has been prevalent in most styles of music since the ability to play electrically was developed in the 1930's. There is probably less guitar in modern pop music, compared to 30-40 years ago. I'm not convinced it has had "morbid focus" in modern pop music which has resulted in its detriment. There are a number of other musical/technological/business/cultural entities that I would attribute blame to when talking about the detriment of pop music. When I listen to top 40 radio, which is very very seldom, some songs have no guitar, or very minor uses of the instrument - which it seems to be is your suggestion. And I'm fine with that, I don't care what guitar is used for in pop music, I know I'm never going to really enjoy it.My comment to you was more meant in jest, as you and I seem to represent the polar opposite sides of the debate/argument/perspective on it. I guess it went without saying that you were only really referring to pop music, but as a guitar player I still took offence. Lead guitar is the best god damn instrument out there, and hard rock/metal are its caretakers. Just like for you (I'm guessing based off your posts), hip-hop and rap is your musical salvation. Which as you know, those two styles have permeated modern pop far more than lead guitar has.I was also especially troubled by the fact that you used "lead." I hear very little lead guitar in modern pop, even Foo Fighters barely have what qualifies as lead guitar, especially in their older stuff. And I don't solely define lead as "solos." As far as modern rock goes, which I think is what you're second paragraph is referring to. I agree wholeheartedly. But that's not even close to the entire picture. The current styles of music that have interesting and innovative guitar playing in them, are generally nowhere near the spotlight. And if you (or the casual listener) heard them, they probably wouldn't immediately be able to enjoy them. The reason being? Innovative guitar playing has evolved over the past 50 years. In 1960 playing a solo at 150bpm in pentatonic minor was innovative. In 2015, playing a solo/riff at 200bpm in mixolydian b2 b6 then modulating to Ionian (major scale) is closer to what's considered innovative. The problem is that the latter innovation is far less accessible to the public in regards to listening pleasure.Didn't mean to write this much......I think the view that "most guitarists nowadays that shred just wank on the guitar without any rhythm" is a view that is more popular than it is true. I'm not saying there's no one like that out there, but I'd be interested in hearing your examples of who is guilty of this.Malmsteen. Michael Angelo Batio. Those guys who shred for the sheer sake of shredding for notes per minute. I'm not terribly familiar with the bulk of either of those two player's music. Those are two of the more known shredders. Malmsteen does an amazing Magical Mystery Tour cover with beautiful guitar phrasing, albeit quite a bit of shredding too. I'm sure Batio has stuff in his catalog that I'd find rhythmically interesting too.Problem is, a lot of these players, especially the "virtuoso" guys get branded by the public after people hear 2-3 songs by them, or see them briefly on some public appearance. The real story is often quite different when you actually listen to an album.I'm not sure that when these guys pick up a guitar, they have it mind to shred for the sake of shredding. I think their musical influences and interests lead them to play fast, there's a reason why these guys are often labeled "neoclassical." Have you heard Bach's harpsichord writings? A lot of it is shredding, there's no other word for it. And no, not everyone is going to like this in guitar music, to be honest, I don't even really listen to any neoclassical. But that's the point, if it's not your thing: don't listen to it. But at least try to understand it, before judging based off of popular assumption. (Not trying to take a direct dig at you Forsaken, just generally speaking because I hear this sort of thing all of the time, "hey learn how to play slow man!" "oh he's got no soul since he only plays fast" "mindless shredding, talentless....") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I see what you're getting it, but I actually enjoy listening to virtuoso's but really there's a huge difference between say a Steve Vai and Malmsteen. Label his music "neoclassical" if you want, but this is not blues: Now I know you'll say, "blues is how you feel it!" Yeah alright, but dude is shredding instantly. Blues isn't about speed, at least, traditionally. He's taking a blues backtrack and really just shredding over it. And honestly I think Malmsteen is extremely talented but he is a pure shredder. My initial point was disagreeing about what EVH did; because what he did revolutionized a sound and style in tapping, and Eruption was extremely influential on a lot of other musicians. EVH essentially spawned shred guitar, but it manifested, just like it did originally like I said from Uli Jon Roth, who in my opinion doesn't get near as much credit as he should. There are certain guitarists man and you know there are, that just rake notes with a lot of sweep arpeggios constantly over and over again. Those are the ones I cannot stand. Ones with no originality. Malmsteen has an original sound and style and so does EVH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Ah yeah that makes more sense in relation to what you initially said. I agree, I've never really liked straight up shred like Malmsteen or Batio. Never really liked Vai either, but he's a bit different.Some of what Malmsteen is playing in that video is definitely bluesy, he's absolutely instituting notes from other non-blues scales, as that's his style. Is this music "blues"? I think so. Context is key, what is behind the solo matters, and even if it's just a stock backing track. I think that, + the actual blues runs/hybrid blues runs he's doing, is enough to quality that piece as blues. It's his version of blues, is it conventional? Not really, but I still think it's blues. Or call it shred blues, hybrid genres are a thing IMO. It's probably moreso blues-rock to be honest. But I doubt Yngwie was the guy sitting in the editing booth subtitling the performance, as I don't think "Blues Solo" is an actual title of one of his tracks,Point is, if you want it all: listen to Paul Gilbert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 1- The digital Bumblefoot, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Vallentine, Line6 type sound that is fucking horrible.2- Zakk Wylde's over harmonics. They're shit.3- 80's chorus shit, superstrat polished sound.4- Over shreding.5- Talk box sometimes really ruins everything, but when properly used, it's awesome. See Kickstart My Heart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I heart guitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtydane Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Frampton comes alive? Everybody has Frampton comes alive. If you lived in the subberbs you were issued it. It came in the mail with samples of Tide. That being said, there's a time and place for everything.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 DJ Ashba playing Guns N' Roses songs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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