Bono Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I actually feel the moderation has gotten better over the last couple years and in my opinion it's more relaxed. I think it's a good thing. Although I do think people who post the obvious bullshit praising Axl for how much integroty he has as an artist while carrying on the GnR name while someone like Slash is a sell out whos' failed miserably since leaving GnR, should be banned. I mean stupid shit like that is either someone t r olling the site or they're so mentally unstable the moderators here should do them a favour and ban them so they stop deluding themselves in this online bubble. It's like a mental health issue. Ban them to help them sorta thing haha! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 We need more concrete examples if we're to have an actual discussion about this. Towelie gave one, but I don't think I saw that thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 We need more concrete examples if we're to have an actual discussion about this. Towelie gave one, but I don't think I saw that thread.How does Magisme gets away with all the things he says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 We need more concrete examples if we're to have an actual discussion about this. Towelie gave one, but I don't think I saw that thread.How does Magisme gets away with all the things he says?Shall I define "concrete example" for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 We need more concrete examples if we're to have an actual discussion about this. Towelie gave one, but I don't think I saw that thread.How does Magisme gets away with all the things he says?Cuz hes the U N I the Q U E, the G to the O D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I agree. There was a time when this forum wasn't as highly censored. I share the same sentiments as OP, but I also realize I am a useless peon and really have no say in any matter whatsoever.I suppose that's why I joined a gym.Makes me feel better about myself even when nobody else gives a shit.Alright I'm off topic.To conclude, things used to be better. Don't ban me please or suspend me please. This is just my opinion. I mean no harm. I'm harmless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I agree.There was a time when this forum wasn't as highly censored. I share the same sentiments as OP, but I also realize I am a useless peon and really have no say in any matter whatsoever.I suppose that's why I joined a gym.Makes me feel better about myself even when nobody else gives a shit.*gypsy in a waistcoat walks past playing the violin* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) yes, we canbut the mods (doesn't matter who they are) will never change their opinion or never admit their mistakes...i'M not talking about mygnr only, i'M talking about internet forums in generalthat's what happens when you give power to a certain group of people Edited July 20, 2015 by Strange Broue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I am of the opinion that the only reasons one should be banned are if they post child porn or outright threaten someone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 yes, we canbut the mods (doesn't matter who they are) will never change their opinion or never admit their mistakes...i'M not talking about mygnr only, i'M talking about internet forums in generalthat's what happens when you give power to a certain group of peopleSorry for going off topic, I know what you mean, I used to be on a Chat of a band, the mods there were useless, there was a mod called Dan, he was a moron, he used to ban people for saying Fuck, Bitch, Turd. Thats why I asked if the word Fuck is allowed over here lol. The sad part was he din't ban the spammers but he banned the people who said Turd.So compared to that, the mods/admins here are still better. There was mod there named Tiernan, Alfie reminds me of her, she was not my best buddy there, later on she and the other Mods started to hate me cause I used to complain that why the fuck you are not banning the spammers. And Alfie reminds me of her cause even she was a middle aged women with kids, not cause of how they moderate lol. There was a friend of mine there named Nexus, he reminds me of Downzy, both of them seem to indulge in politics and seem pretty intelligent and have a lot of knowledge of things, thats another thing that Nexus stabbed me in the back and asslicked the admins and became a mod there. Sadly that Chat got closed a few years ago cause people din't know how to moderate.So well things over here are still better, I know no one cares what I say, I guess back in the day as people say in Maddison's rule, this forum was basically dead, so in terms of that things are pretty good here, I just came here to talk and make friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Let's look at some hard statistics here...The forum has 43,000 members and almost 3.5 million posts. We get over a million views a month. It's a very active forum.Take a look at the mod logs. Now you can only view the 10 most recent actions, but still. Between all of the mods, we've only taken 10 actions in the last 26 hours, and four of those were repeats of a thread already covered in those last 10 moderating actions. So, out of our staff of 8, we only found 6 threads in the last 26 hours that we felt needed any moderation on any level - that's going anywhere from deleting a single post to locking a whole thread. Doing the math by looking at the Today's Top Posters page, there have been about 420 posts in the last 24 hours. Even if you take 10 instances of moderation, that's still an incredibly low ratio compared to how many posts were made. As someone who has been a mod under all three owners of MyGNR, I can tell you that under Subsy, and now Downzy, moderating is significantly more relaxed than it was under Eric. With Eric, the extent of a decision could have been "That guy is being an asshole, so he's banned". Starting with Subsy and carrying over to Downzy, we've set a specific rule on how bannings take place - you are allowed 5 warning points, then you get banned. Yes, we give you five chances to fuck up before we finally say "That's it, no more". And even then, we're usually pretty hesitant to give out warning points - more often than not you'll get a verbal warning which doesn't count against you in any way. This goes into deleting posts also. Someone else mentioned here that they're happy seeing more deleted posts and less banned members and it's true - we could delete less posts and give more warning points (And therefore more bannings) but how is that not worse?I'm not locking this or anything as no one has really gotten out of hand or anything. But I will say this - we are human, we can't make the best decision one hundred percent of the time, but we try our hardest. We're bound to make a bad decision every now and then, but when it happens there are far better ways to express your dissatisfaction or confusion at a decision than starting a thread like this - namely PMing a mod. We put a lot of time and effort into trying to make this place the best GN'R forum and we take absolutely zero gain from it, and to come on here first thing in the morning and see a thread like this feels a bit like a slap in the face. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I am of the opinion that the only reasons one should be banned are if they post child porn or outright threaten someone.I think we could let the latter go too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Where can I see the Mod logs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Round the U bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 We need more concrete examples if we're to have an actual discussion about this. Towelie gave one, but I don't think I saw that thread.The status update is getting more than the usual moderation lately. And Black Sabbath has finally woken up from his eternal nap and he is on a rolling. But sooner or later he will return to his natural state. So I don´t think we should worry.Maybe what we need is for the mods to move more threads to Civil War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I am not challenging anyone's credibility and Downzy can answer my question, what did you see in each Admin/Mods when you gave them their position, I know some of them were already there even before you joined, so if you could write all the names and in front of that say how you felt about them and what you found good about them, for exampleForsaken - He is a good person, he is in a forum since a long time and I saw him doing a good job etc etcRuss - He has a good knowledge of software and coding stuff etc etclike you would put the words better than meI don't have a problem with anyone, but I was just curious to know and I guess as a member I do have a right to ask this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 We need more concrete examples if we're to have an actual discussion about this. Towelie gave one, but I don't think I saw that thread.I've had dozens of status updates deleted. None of which I consider offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Being around since the beginning of the forum and dealing strictly with what I know from the user and staff side I would say I am shocked to see this thread honestly in this time...The mods we have now are nothing but excellent, things have changed for the better here. The mods are more engaged, open and careful about how to react to things here.Truly speaking this team is the best team we have ever had, I think you are only noticing some stuff as the band is completely silent, when they are active quite honestly there just is not as much stuff to mod.I think they do a great job, I for one don't need to read horrible things being said about members of the band or crew etc. To say certain things is fine, hell they let alot fly here, but to purposely derail topics or create topics that hurt is just not cool IMOThe mods are not the enemy, take some time to get to know them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) yes, we can but the mods (doesn't matter who they are) will never change their opinion or never admit their mistakes... i'M not talking about mygnr only, i'M talking about internet forums in general that's what happens when you give power to a certain group of peopleI'm not saying you're wrong in all cases, but I think you are in about 80% of them. Try and look at the other side of the medallion here. Mods, no matter where, choose to invest (a lot of) their spare time into creating a place where people can discuss something they're all into. And no matter how you do it, you only get shit in return. There's always users complaining, people being jerks, people purposely breaking the rules, people trying to stir shit up, people just plain trying to make your life miserable. Always. No matter how good a job you do. It's a bloody thankless job. All you get for it is shit. And threads like this. So excuse them if they get a little sick and tired of it occasionally and clean something a little too rigorous or lash out against a user that had it coming for months. I'm not saying it's always ok, just that it's often understandable. And in the light of all that, I think the admin/mod team here is doing a bloody good job. Just like they were when Subsy and High were running things. And I definitely don't agree with everything Madison did, but I fully understand her frustration and she got a lot more shit for it than she deserved. Try and look at it from their side occasionally. Edited July 20, 2015 by username 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercool Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Heavily moderating a public forum is just pure vanity and ego on the part of the moderators.moderators are always the worst part on any kind of forum, even worse than trollsddc. Edited July 20, 2015 by supercool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Ok Ignore me, just asked a general thing, I was not questioning anyone's credibility nor I was expecting some sort of explanation, but some answer would have been good.Just a suggestion, as this type of thread has already been started by someone, then it would be great for the mods/admins to come out and answer people personally over here, so even the others would know what is the mistake and learn from it.For Example Nate's says that his status update's were deleted, he says it was not offensive, but I assume it would have been offensive cause there would be a reason for them to be deleted, so its better to reply, so even the others would know that how it was offensive and the reason behind it and the members will learn from it and won't do the same mistake, then people won't point a finger on the Moderating/Admin Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 'So many cunts vaginas on this board claiming their opinion is the only valid one.'Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted July 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2015 I see a lot of valid points on both sides of the issue. I think the biggest thing I can say in defense of being on the mod staff is that it is very much a voluntary thing. On top of that, as has been stated already we're only human and we are definitely going to make mistakes no matter what. Outside of those two things, there's the fact that there's just no way to please everyone. I do not mean that I view our userbase in a bad light, I'm just saying not being able to please everyone is a fact of life.One thing that I've seen stated a few times is that the mods never admit they're wrong and would never admit that. I gotta tell you, that couldn't be further from the truth. We all realize that we're not perfect and we're all very open to discussing anything anyone isn't happy with. In the great majority of cases where anything is changed on here, we do our absolute best to communicate with whomever it affects so they know our thinking.Personally, I've had many, many PM discussions with users where we have an open dialog as to the how's & why's of something that happned on the board. There have been a LOT of cases where I've heard what a user had to say then overturned my own actions. In a case where I've locked a thread or something, I've always tried to leave a note explaining that it's being re-opened and why which is always an admittance that I'd made a bad call. The same thing happens behind the scenes here as well. We all have discussions amongst ourselves over action we've taken with the site and why we did it. Same thing has occurred there too in certain things being overturned. I've pointed out to other mods where I think they might have made a mis-step and they've done the same to me. That's really the only issue I wanted to address because I truly feel it's just not an accurate picture of us as a team. If I've ever given anyone the impression that they can't PM me or voice their opinion to me, all I can do is apologize for that. I am more than happy to hear from anyone whenever they need/want to reach out. It doesn't mean everyone will walk away happy every time, but at least it means that all voices concerned are being heard. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Great contributions and great discussion so far. I appreciate everyone's input, whether positive or negative. I've moved this discussion to the Support section since that's truly where it belongs. I'll offer up my own opinion later on as I want to give everyone else an opportunity to voice their opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I think the biggest thing I can say in defense of being on the mod staff is that it is very much a voluntary thing.Sure it is. You in a new city every week, downzy partying with Gilby and flying with Dave Navarro, Powerage taking his mom around the world every year, Black Sabbath buying every little pop culture trinket he can get his hands on... sure, "voluntary". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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