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I read a lot of rock bios and just about every guy with a problem mentions something about conquering their demons?

But they never say what they are!

Is it something personal to them that is driving them to booze and drugs?

Or is it the addiction or love of booze and drugs that is the demon?

In the end when they finally kick the poisons they never mention the demons.

So what are demons?

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It's an obvious reference to conquering your personal demons, those vices that ultimately make them a worse person;

and while that may vary from person to person, I imagine it includes:

  • addiction to drugs (alcohol and other hard drugs) and/or gambling
  • depression often brought on by personal setbacks (loss of family, job, finances, ...)
  • cheating with hordes of supermodels
  • ...

I think ultimately it's a cryptic way of labeling a personality flaw that they don't like to address, but by saying its their demons people who have their own can relate in their own way.

Of course they could have just called an Exorcist to get rid of that shit

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or Dr. Drew

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Things that haunt you.

Alcohol, drugs sex.

Anything that you can't seem to escape that is bad for you.

Sex is bad for you?

No. I meant that some rockers were addicted to sex and not in a good way. A lot of them slept with anything that walked and most of the are lucky they never got HIV back in the 80's Some were not so lucky. No Sex is very good with the right person and not just to be used and abused.

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But what if you do those things and you are fine, are they still demons?

The demon is the vice, not the cause of it?

Anyway this often comes over like conceit or vain glory. Hey I'm so fucked up, my demons have me beat. But when the reaper comes nobody is like i'm battling my demons. Are you really battling them? Or are you downing bottles of JD and crushing up vics in your limo?

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Otherwise known as being a self obssessed twat with an inflated sense of their own importance.

Because it's impossible for people to actually have issues, huh?

And it's this one demographic, people that perform music, that these 'demons' seek out more actively and these same demons that are responsible for all the bad stuff in said musical performers life and they cause them to do all this fucked up shit. If you got issues and you wanna tell me about em in a book, then tell me and then I'll tell you whether you are talking out of your fuckin' arse. Example, if past life regression therapy is the means by which you found out that you were sexually abused as a child or something (thats a favourite one isn't it, 'i was sexually abused as a child!') then you're a fuckin' arsehole and you disgust me and you're just using it to explain how you're a cunt.

Issues, suddenly every twat that ever picked up a guitar has got 'issues', I'd take it more seriously if you ever read any follow up biographies that were like 'well OK, i had these issues and i worked through em and I'm a better person now and that shit is behind me', real people that have issues don't use them as an excuse for anything, they go out and they live their life DESPITE them, they are private personal things, they are not a cheap stunt by which to further ones career, they are dealt with with a quiet dignity because what REALLY matters to actual people with actual issues is showing and proving that they can live their life DESPITE the fuckin' issue, as opposed to being defined by it and having it as this card you wave every time you've acted like a cunt.

These people are bluffers and malingerers that use the names and ideas behind certain afflictions etc to excuse what is basically just poor behaviour. The idea behind therapy, the idea behind working through issues is that you work through them and once you've done that you've understood it and you file it under 'x' and it is no longer allowed to run your fucking life, ergo if you have an ISSUE and you're able to explain the roots of it, where it comes from in yourself, the cause of it and how that thing came to be the cause, well then it's no longer a fucking excuse anymore, thats the whole point of working through issues, it's like medical proceedure, thats the fuckin' cure stage, after that you don't have an issue anymore, you have a resolved issue....funny how you never see that in a situation with rock stars and their issues right?

Demons is just a bullshit way of collecting and condensing all your excuses for negative behaviour, setting it down and going 'see that? thats why i'm a fuckin' arsehole there, that thing, i have to carry that, it's not my fault and it's a right fuckin' bastard and sometimes it makes you do some straaaaaange things, so next time you see me shooting skag in a doorway, my pants soaked in wee, having just drove a car through the grocery store window and slapped my missus about...don't blame me yeah cuz it weren't my fault, it was that there, that demon'.

Bollocks. And old ginger twat who this forums about is one of the worst culprits of this I've come across, fuckin' past life regression therapy told you that you were molested by your step dad at 2 years old...and then you go around stating that as fact? You basically go around accusing a man of being a pedophile based on the fact some numbskull you're paying fuckin' 20,000 grand an hour blagged you into sitting in a chair for an hour having flashbacks of something that, apparently, you remember from when you were a two year old...and then you go and claim that in a fuckin' international magazine, thats some fuckin' mans life or memory, not sure if his step dad was alive or dead or what, whoose name you're dragging through the mud there, just cuz some headshrinker sat you down and the first thing you could think of was little arses in nappys getting a finger up the bum, that says more about you than it does about your stepdad you dirty fuckin' bastard.

And that was all him looking for his 'demons'...nothing to do with him being a fuckin' cunt though, oh Lord forbid, rockstars being twats? I know right, the fanciful notions I throw up! :lol:

Entitled, bratty, self involved wankers, one and all. Some of em just wear it better.

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So demons are the things which make you take billions of drugs?

I think musicians, comedians maybe can get paid for something they do while pretty fucked up. An actor can get found out pretty quick. A guitarist can play pretty well on stuff.

But maybe it's true its people that feel bad anout something in their life that become true addicts. But for some its just runs in the family or self medicate. But the demon quote always makes me wonder if its part of the culture, maybe just an expression I dont understand because I dont have that kind of thing. Like a force pushing me into it.

I want to go to store a get some beers but its not a demon, maybe some sort of mild addiction to crack and hos and beer. It my lifestyle.

I guess if it ruins everything good in your life and you cant stop you have find some reasons.

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At a certain point you have to take responsibility for your actions. We know so much about addiction now, understand it and its machinations, we even discovered root causes for it and how it is often a reaction to 'x' thing in your life. Now with all this so called knowledge and understanding it has got to now, to some degree, be a lot more to do with a choice than anything else. Every addict out there makes a choice, this ain't like opium being dumbed in China in the early part of the last century, we KNOW what this shit is about, nobody shoots skag with any illusions about what it does to you, i refuse to believe this notion that the whole thing is this trajectory that we have absolutely no control over, thats rubbish.

I've taken untold amount of drugs in my life, not rockstar level but i have a pretty fair level of experience, i probably drink and smoke weed to a level that nowadays classifications would deem as addiction, whats my fuckin excuse when i get into some grief, who fuckin felt all sorry for me when i fannied my motor off the A41 for being pissed off my nut? No one and rightly so cuz i knew what i was doing but i made the choice to act like a twat anyway.

Now i got nothing against drugs, do em all day long...but have the fuckin' nerve to stand by your fuckin' choices and put your fuckin' hands up when your culpable and dont fuckin' blame it on something your Mum and Dad said to you in 1984 or something.

Nobodys lived a fuckin' perfect life, literally anybody can find something in their past as an excuse to go out and be a fuckin' brown-head if they felt like it, shit, I've even heard stuff like 'i had an idyllic childhood but im just more attuned to empathy cuz im so sensitive and my addiction was driven by awareness of my own mortality and the realisation that all that is idyllic must eventually end for us', its fucking crazy :lol:

There's a difference between explaining shit and then trying to excuse it. It's not fucking demons or ghosties and ghoulies, its you, you and the choice you make that getting off your head is easier for you than acting like a human being.

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That's the thing, in most books they don't pin point anything really. It's either it's a disease or demons. And just wondered what demons were?

In most cases it just escalates because it's on offer. But then they get in deep and some spin off. Some living the dream like Adler and Criss. Some slowly sink into isolated depression. But i guess being in that celebrity bowl is very public. Sure your a hot shot but then your not. And they have a limited perspective. Like all my dreams are coming true and thats actually makes them happy. Then they lose it and sink into the shit with money but no perspective. The whole thing is a narcissistic trap.

I guess they write a book to manage the stigma. To not just be known as the junkie they were. There probably wasnt as much knowledge in the early 80s as now. Adler for example hardly knew anything about heroin until he was hooked. Artie lange kind of thought he was Keef richards, all my heroes doed it. I suppose just add a load of cash and success on to regular life boozing. Throw oxy and vics into the mix. 2 years later youre addicted.

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Well fuck ups are easier to identify with for the masses of losers in life. Losers make losers more famous.

There was some story musicians have different brains right? Higher on austic scale? So more introverted snd giving less fucks about life. But you need a shaman out front who walks the talk. Music for the 1% about making zillions through hedgefunds isnt going sell unless its rap.

Quite a lot of rock is like who is the biggest loser popularity contest. Those demons just cant shake them maybe 2000 vics and 500 bottles of jack will make me happier?

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There is a well-documented correlation between creativity and mental illnesses. So yeah, some artists may just be masquerading their assholeness by calling it "their demons", others -- and with a higher frequency than the general population -- actually do suffer from various mental illnesses and are fighting their demons in various ways.

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Or maybe people with issues tend to become better musicians...

I actually believe that is true. The briefest look at the biographies of the great composers will confirm it: Tchaikovsky, a manically depressed alcoholic closest-homosexual; Schumann, suicidal, ending his days in a lunatic asylum; Beethoven, combating growing deafness with aloofness and anger, a ruthless custodial pursuit over his nephew; Mozart, child prodigy ''boy in a man's body'', somewhat hedonistic; Wagner, a towering egomaniac, German nationalist, racist and crank.

Those are the extreme examples but even the seemingly more 'balanced' had their issues. Schubert, luckless in love, booze and Viennese brothels - which prematurely killed him; Brahms, a penchant also for brothels, the ménage à trois with the Schumanns; Berlioz, eccentric, possessing unrequited love for Harriet Smithson; Chopin, haughty, disdainful of bourgeois society, ever mindful of his Polish blue blood. Bach, disciplinarian.

Only Haydn, Strauss Jr, Grieg and Verdi come across as thoroughly balanced human beings. Maybe Handel also, although he was ripping off Italian composers.

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The heightened focus of mood swings.

But most people are fucked up if you look. People functioning at high levels in any sector are kind of weird. Politicians, business everyones a demented perv. Theres some link between achievement and sex drive.

Classical composers are like computers arent they? Driving themselves crazy with that stuff.

That show Halt and Catch Fire, all the computer programmers are crazy. Every CEO is a narcissistic mentaller.

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