Powerage5 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 So stoked they're doing the full version of Under The Sun. They better keep it in until after Hamilton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 So stoked they're doing the full version of Under The Sun. They better keep it in until after Hamilton!Great song but damn Ozzy is out of key and singing down a step from the instrumentals in that Chicago video..........did not realize how much he is struggling now with the old material......still worth seeing them just to hear Iommi play those classic riffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) the last riff is only about 5 or so years old. iommi knows how to right riffs, but when you have a producer as lazy and crazy as rick rubin who only wants you to "sound like sabbath" you are going to get generic stuff. sabbath was always organic and their sound was ever changing, plus you kind of how to work with what you have in terms of vocals, ozzy cant really do anything but the really slow doomy stuff since his range and his voice are completely shot to hell.Come on man you are blaming the wrong person by blaming Rubin...he did not write the music he is only the producer...these guys are not rookies to the business so IMHO they are responsible for the music that gets released. If anything I would blame them for being lazy not Rubin...I am sure if Tony had brought killer riffs to the studio, like the 2 you posted, Rubin would have worked with them to fit Ozzy and to put them out........... Don't know if I agree Sabbath was always evolving....I am a big fan but Iommi has been writing the same heavy riffs his whole career. IMHO you could take just about any of there songs and they would fit any of their albums. Don;t get me wrong it is great stuff but they remind me a little like AC/DC in that there career was basically one long album..........Sure they had a little more variety on their albums than AC/DC but they never seemed to stray from their basic formula........I am with you on Ozzy's vocals though. Iommi is already tuned down a step to begin with so don't know if he could go much lower to accommodate Ozzy's limited range these days.........After hearing some of the clips from recent shows I think they made the right decision to hang it up after this tour as Black Sabbath... Edited January 25, 2016 by classicrawker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) lol classicrawker you just become a Sabbath hater for your old days?shameIommi writing the same old heavy riffs? really?yeah, after all, he plays lead guitar so he is like every other lead player in the world, writing riffs and solos... all the same to me!!!11one!!!The songs are mediocre but they are fit to every Black Sabbath albums? Basic formula? like what? guitars, drums, bass and vocals? other than these, EVERY Sabbath record is different from EVERY ERAOzzy's live voice is shit since the 80's, (even before that) so it's nothing new...Iommi starts t downtuning since 2012, you should hear some 2013 shows, Ozzy was god awful there, he is somewhat decent on these Chicago dateslet's face it: we all go to Sabbath shows because of the nostalgia and great guitar playing these days, not because of Ozzy's voice or "go crazy" antics....They just know this and that is why they just play the classicsyou start to become senileBtw a new album can happen after next years of touring....http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/black-sabbaths-ozzy-osbourne-geezer-butler-talk-bittersweet-finale-20160120well, Geezer didn't particularly want to do another album.""I was just being logical," the bassist says with a laugh. "At the time, we were given six months to write and record an album and I said, 'There's absolutely no way we can do it in six months.'" He laughs. "Then they came up with, 'Well, you can do a blues album,' you know, just eight 12-bar blues songs and that's it. It's like, 'No. This is Black Sabbath. It's not the Earth blues band anymore.' It was ridiculous.""Time ain't on our side," Osbourne says. "By the time we'd have written and recorded another album, it would have been another three years. … I'm not saying I'll never record with Tony or Geezer again, but I don't think I want to go touring again with Black Sabbath after this."Butler, too, says, "There's nothing stopping us from doing another album after the tour." In fact, it would be good by his estimate because there would be no rush."We just couldn't possibly spend three years in the studio and then do a final tour," he says. Then he adds dryly, "We'll probably all be dead by then." Edited January 25, 2016 by Strange Broue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geezer-butler-says-bill-ward-turned-down-offer-to-play-at-black-sabbaths-final-show/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 lol classicrawker you just become a Sabbath hater for your old days?shameIommi writing the same old heavy riffs? really?yeah, after all, he plays lead guitar so he is like every other lead player in the world, writing riffs and solos... all the same to me!!!11one!!!The songs are mediocre but they are fit to every Black Sabbath albums? Basic formula? like what? guitars, drums, bass and vocals? other than these, EVERY Sabbath record is different from EVERY ERAOzzy's live voice is shit since the 80's, (even before that) so it's nothing new...Iommi starts t downtuning since 2012, you should hear some 2013 shows, Ozzy was god awful there, he is somewhat decent on these Chicago dateslet's face it: we all go to Sabbath shows because of the nostalgia and great guitar playing these days, not because of Ozzy's voice or "go crazy" antics....They just know this and that is why they just play the classicsyou start to become senileBtw a new album can happen after next years of touring....http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/black-sabbaths-ozzy-osbourne-geezer-butler-talk-bittersweet-finale-20160120well, Geezer didn't particularly want to do another album.""I was just being logical," the bassist says with a laugh. "At the time, we were given six months to write and record an album and I said, 'There's absolutely no way we can do it in six months.'" He laughs. "Then they came up with, 'Well, you can do a blues album,' you know, just eight 12-bar blues songs and that's it. It's like, 'No. This is Black Sabbath. It's not the Earth blues band anymore.' It was ridiculous.""Time ain't on our side," Osbourne says. "By the time we'd have written and recorded another album, it would have been another three years. … I'm not saying I'll never record with Tony or Geezer again, but I don't think I want to go touring again with Black Sabbath after this."Butler, too, says, "There's nothing stopping us from doing another album after the tour." In fact, it would be good by his estimate because there would be no rush."We just couldn't possibly spend three years in the studio and then do a final tour," he says. Then he adds dryly, "We'll probably all be dead by then." So I am a hater because I am speaking reality? I am not attacking the current Black Sabbath as I would still go see a show just to see Iommi play but IMHO the new songs are not their best work and Ozzy is really struggling to sing the old songs based on the youtube videos. I have plenty of 70 era Sabbath bootlegs and even then he could have issues at times but the recent tours he is out of tune and singing in a key lower than the rest of the band. It sounds like bad Karaoke.Regarding my comments on Tony's song writing style I was responding to Bran's comment that Sabbath was constantly evolving which I am not sure is true. Iommi writes heavy riffs and always has. Not much experimentation in his music IMHO. Reminds me of AC/DC where you could literally put all the albums on shuffle play and would have no idea which album the songs were off of due to consistent style of the music You obviously don't understand what I mean by the songs being able to be used on any of their albums. It has nothing to do with the quality as there are filler songs on every Ozzy era album. It means the songs are basically the same style of heavy metal. IMHO you could take any of the BS songs with Ozzy singing and put them on any Ozzy era BS album and they would not be out of place.Imagine if you took a ChiDem song and put it on AFD. Stylistically it would stick out like a sore thumb. IMHO it is not the same with Ozzy Sabbath. Most any song on any Ozzy era album could fit on any of the albums.I don't say as a bad thing just an observation.I happen to like some of the "13" album but just don't think the new songs are very memorable. Not terrible but on an old album they would be considered filler IMHO.Listen I don't think any of the Stones post 89 albums are anything special and I think Keef Richards is really struggling with his playing the past tour. That does not make me a hater as I still love the Stones and went to a couple of dozen of Stones concerts the past 16 years so it is JMO... if you like the new BS songs and think they are something special too each his own............don't take it so personal mate.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Same setlist tonight in Minneapolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bran Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) "sabotage... what the fuck" "play something...." that guy is alright by me. seems to be a forgotten album, and to me its ozzy at his pinnacle, the guys vocals on that album are fucking amazing.under the sun... that fucking riff and i absolutely love the outro to the song. Edited January 26, 2016 by bran 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Man, Tony is stiil on the top of his game....that Snowblind riff is my all time favorite but Ozzy's vocals are just embarrasing...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 now that is a show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Saw Amorphis open for Maiden when they played Helsinki in 2013. I thought they were dreadful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 They postponed/canceled the show tonight in Vancouver too. They were planning on getting back into things with this one. Fuck I hope everything is alright and they get back to it at the next show. Hoping it's nothing to do with Tony either... Get well by Hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I don't think they'd have been so specific about the cause of the cancellations if it was anything to do with Tony. They could've just said it was delayed due to illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) On 2/3/2016 at 8:20 AM, Powerage5 said: Saw Amorphis open for Maiden when they played Helsinki in 2013. I thought they were dreadful. really? i saw them some years back(2008?) and they were fantastic.love all their albums Edited February 6, 2016 by bran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Tour resumed last night in Tacoma. They dropped Under The Sun God Is Dead also, but I'm not as fussed about that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Powerage5 said: Tour resumed last night in Tacoma. They dropped Under The Sun God Is Dead also, but I'm not as fussed about that one. Possibly wanted to cut it a little shorter and play it safe for Ozzy. We'll see how the next couple shows go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 God Is Dead made it back into the set last night, but not Under The Sun. Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Slowly but surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said: Slowly but surely. Except you know Under The Sun won't come back. They're specifically keeping it out because they know it's the song I want to see more than anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Powerage5 said: Except you know Under The Sun won't come back. They're specifically keeping it out because they know it's the song I want to see more than anything. Remember when I got Sway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Hey, fuck you. Also, remember when I was in the pit and met Mick Taylor? And remember when I was third row for the live debut of Losing It? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Anyone remember when I got TWAT in 2010 with 2010 Axl's vocals? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 2 hours ago, James Bond said: Anyone remember when I got TWAT in 2010 with 2010 Axl's vocals? Don't forget I was there too! Then there was that time I got Prostitute, Yesterdays, and TWAT all in the same gig in Vegas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Powerage5 said: Hey, fuck you. Also, remember when I was in the pit and met Mick Taylor? And remember when I was third row for the live debut of Losing It? And you've gotten catcher, prostitute, and twat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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