How much has CD sold as of 2015?

[SoulMonster]

20 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Mostly like 33% domestic numbers and 67% foreign just like CA: Civil War. Chinese only failed in the US but did well overseas probably because of the title.

 

* Platinum in sixteen countries and gold in sixteen countries.

In the US, kinda intersting, CD passed the 500K shipped mark on January 7, 2009, then it was certified Platinum by the RIAA on February 3, 2009 (we all know it did not). According to wikipedia, "After Best Buy clearanced the album for $2 in April 2011 it re-entered the US Billboard 200 again in the week ending April 3, 2011, selling 3,200 copies, enough for the 198th position. At that date, the album had sold 614,000 copies in the US according to Nielsen Soundscan. In the UK, it has sold 365,899 copies as of July 2014."

Still hard to believe it reached 1 million in the US (real platinum).

It never reached 1 million in the US, if you have read what I have been writing it has sold "less than 750k" in the US, by 2015. So if you are right on the 33 % domestic that results in 2.3 million in total global sales. I doubt you are right with that 33 %, though, it doesn't make sense when we look at record buying demographics and know of GN'R's popularity in other markets (like South America and Asia).

[Silent Jay]

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I did not get that logic. How did you arrive at that number?

 

How did you arrive at that number?

The 3 million number is so ubiqiutous, where do people have it from? They heard it spome years ago and now it is stuck. Again, looking at certifications (platinum, gold, silver, etc) reported throughout 2009 some people calculated what it must have sold by then. Tthe problem is that those certifications were for both shipped and sold, and that the certifications took place at various dates. E.g. if it sold to gold by February 2009, after only a few months in the market, it is reasonable to assume it sold significantly more by the end of 2009. Anyway, by doing this these guys arrived at the number of 2.8 millions, and then people assume it has sold just a few hundred thousands since then so we are just over 3 millions. But there is a LOT of assumptions here and weaknesses in that method....

Red herrings followed by ad hominem, nice Diesel.

 

Look again at the posts. GnRFrance did calculated all the certification early 2009. It was 2.8 million. But look at my post earlier, CD is platinum in the US but grossly sold 650K.

[Silent Jay]

4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

It never reached 1 million in the US, if you have read what I have been writing it has sold "less than 750k" in the US, by 2015. So if you are right on the 33 % domestic that results in 2.3 million in total global sales. I doubt you are right with that 33 %, though, it doesn't make sense when we look at record buying demographics and know of GN'R's popularity in other markets (like South America and Asia).

yeah right so probably between 20% and 25% domestic just like Jupiter Ascending then. precise man. 

Edited May 25, 2016 by Silent Jay

[SoulMonster]

Just now, Silent Jay said:

yeah right so probably between 20% and 25%. precise man.

Which results in 3.0-3.8 million. How convenient

But we know that the UK sales is about half of the US sales. How does that add up with US alone taking 20-25 % of the market cap? That would mean that US and UK together has about 30-40 % of the market, does that make sense when you know of the markets that still remain (Germany, Brazil, Indonesia, Argentina, Scandinavia, Japan, Canada, etc)?

[DieselDaisy]

 

[Silent Jay]

Right.

Soul Monster here is for you, you will probably like all the numbers. thanks to Use Your Delusion. 

Spoiler

Country/Sales Confermed/Certification/Sales Estimated
Netherlands: 30,000+ shipped (GOLD), 30-50,000 sales
Malaysia; 7,500+ shipped (GOLD) 7,5-15,000 sales
Hungary; 5,000+ shipped (GOLD) 5-10,000 sales
Indonesia; 35,000+ shipped (GOLD) 35-70,000 sales
Taiwan; 15,000+ shipped (GOLD) 15-30,000 sales
Columbia; 10,000+ shipped (GOLD) 10-20,000 sales
Thailand; 10,000+ shipped (GOLD), 10-20,000 sales
Greece; 6,000+ shipped (GOLD) 6-12,000 sales
Denmark; 10,000+ shipped (GOLD) 10-20,000 sales
Czech Republic; 12,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 12-24,000 sales
Romania; 10,000 sales ?
South Africa; 40,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 40-80,000 sales
New Zealand; 15,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 15-25,000 sales
Austria; 20,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 20-30,000 sales
Brazil; 40,000+ shipped (GOLD) 40-80,000 sales
Italy; 60,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 60-120,000 sales
Switzerland; 30,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 30-60,000 sales
Australia; 70,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 80-120,000 sales
Sweden; 20,000+ shipped (GOLD) 20-40,000 sales
Ireland; 15,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 15-45,000 sales
Japan; 100,000+ shipped (GOLD) 125-225,000 sales
Singapore; 5,000+ shipped (GOLD) 5-10,000 sales
UK; 300,000+ Shipped (PLATINUM), 300-400,000 sales
USA; 1,000,000 shipped (PLATINUM), 700,000+ sales
Canada; 240,000+ shipped (X3 PLATINUM) 240-320,000 sales
Europe; 1,000,000+ certified (PLATINUM) 1-1.2 mllion sales
Germany; 100,000+ shipped (GOLD) 125-150,000 sales
France; 50,000+ shipped (GOLD) 50-100,000 sales
Argentina; Chinese Democracy; 40,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 40-80,000 sales
Finland; 10,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 12,500 sales
Mexico; 60,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 60-100,000 sales....... thanks curmudgeonrose
Norway; 40,000+ shipped ( PLATINUM), 40-60,000 sales.......thanks spirt 83
Poland; 25,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 25-40,000 sales.....thanks Ioko
The Vatican 6+ shipped (THE BENEDICTIAN XVI PLATINUM).....thanks Birdcatcher
UPDATE: Outside of the countries above the music industry from the rest of the world contributes to around 8.5-9.5% of album sales. Hence I will add 9% on the combined sales of above to get a approximate figure for Chinese Democracy's true worldwide sales.

Total Sales (including extra 9%):
2,881,250 sales (approx), so roughly speaking CD sold just under 3 million copies

 

[SoulMonster]

Just now, Silent Jay said:

Right.

Soul Monster here is for you, you will probably like all the numbers. thanks to Use Your Delusion. 

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Country/Sales Confermed/Certification/Sales Estimated
Netherlands: 30,000+ shipped (GOLD), 30-50,000 sales
Malaysia; 7,500+ shipped (GOLD) 7,5-15,000 sales
Hungary; 5,000+ shipped (GOLD) 5-10,000 sales
Indonesia; 35,000+ shipped (GOLD) 35-70,000 sales
Taiwan; 15,000+ shipped (GOLD) 15-30,000 sales
Columbia; 10,000+ shipped (GOLD) 10-20,000 sales
Thailand; 10,000+ shipped (GOLD), 10-20,000 sales
Greece; 6,000+ shipped (GOLD) 6-12,000 sales
Denmark; 10,000+ shipped (GOLD) 10-20,000 sales
Czech Republic; 12,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 12-24,000 sales
Romania; 10,000 sales ?
South Africa; 40,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 40-80,000 sales
New Zealand; 15,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 15-25,000 sales
Austria; 20,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 20-30,000 sales
Brazil; 40,000+ shipped (GOLD) 40-80,000 sales
Italy; 60,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 60-120,000 sales
Switzerland; 30,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 30-60,000 sales
Australia; 70,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 80-120,000 sales
Sweden; 20,000+ shipped (GOLD) 20-40,000 sales
Ireland; 15,000+ shipped (PLATINUM) 15-45,000 sales
Japan; 100,000+ shipped (GOLD) 125-225,000 sales
Singapore; 5,000+ shipped (GOLD) 5-10,000 sales
UK; 300,000+ Shipped (PLATINUM), 300-400,000 sales
USA; 1,000,000 shipped (PLATINUM), 700,000+ sales
Canada; 240,000+ shipped (X3 PLATINUM) 240-320,000 sales
Europe; 1,000,000+ certified (PLATINUM) 1-1.2 mllion sales
Germany; 100,000+ shipped (GOLD) 125-150,000 sales
France; 50,000+ shipped (GOLD) 50-100,000 sales
Argentina; Chinese Democracy; 40,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 40-80,000 sales
Finland; 10,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 12,500 sales
Mexico; 60,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 60-100,000 sales....... thanks curmudgeonrose
Norway; 40,000+ shipped ( PLATINUM), 40-60,000 sales.......thanks spirt 83
Poland; 25,000+ shipped (PLATINUM), 25-40,000 sales.....thanks Ioko
The Vatican 6+ shipped (THE BENEDICTIAN XVI PLATINUM).....thanks Birdcatcher
UPDATE: Outside of the countries above the music industry from the rest of the world contributes to around 8.5-9.5% of album sales. Hence I will add 9% on the combined sales of above to get a approximate figure for Chinese Democracy's true worldwide sales.

Total Sales (including extra 9%):
2,881,250 sales (approx), so roughly speaking CD sold just under 3 million copies

 

That's the numbers I have been referring to throughout this thread. You can find a thread on that list somewhere else on this forum. Again, these numbers are mostly for 2009, and from various dates that year. Andn, as you see, it is both shipped and sold. hardly a good starting point to estimate what the record has sold by now, methinks.

[Silent Jay]

10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

That's the numbers I have been referring to throughout this thread. You can find a thread on that list somewhere else on this forum. Again, these numbers are mostly for 2009, and from various dates that year. Andn, as you see, it is both shipped and sold. hardly a good starting point to estimate what the record has sold by now, methinks.

That is why there's also sales estimated. And I undertsand but that's all we got and I think it's fair enough. It's not like mojobox office. Even Angus did not know if he sold 100 million or 200 million albums in Stern. The most important thing was the selling was the strongest ever. All I have is by 2014: 450K UK. 75K France. 650K US. Not much more than 2009. You can understand than Chinese was never meant to be a big seller force throughout the years.

[SoulMonster]

Just now, Silent Jay said:

That is why there's also sales estimated. And I undertsand but that's all we got and I think it's fair enough.

It is hopeless if you want to estimate sales by 2015. I mean, you have no idea how much it had actually sold by the end of 2009. If you add up the estimates sales from that list you get 2.8 million but have no idea when that occured, since those numbers are from different dates. The only thing we can quite safely say is that it probably reached 2.8 millions some time in 2009. But 6 months in either direction has a lot to say so early after market launch. Maybe the record was still peaking in a market when certification for that market was published? We have no way of knowing.

And it is not all we got. We also have actual sales numbers for US and UK in 2015. Real numbers, not estimated from what was shipped. Actual sales numbers, close to where we are today. From that, well, this is my opinion at least, you can arrive at a much better estimation for global sales per 2015, than by using that hairy 2.8 million number.

[Silent Jay]

Still I can say 3 million and I'm right because it is. And it could probably be less. The record was not peaking anywhere after 2009 dude, only canadians loved it.

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, Silent Jay said:

Still I can say 3 million and I'm right because it is.

With that flawless logic I have nothing to say.

[Nosaj Thing]

It sold 3 million.  3.5 million if you're generous with the numbers.  Any more than that is delusion fabricated by sad losers.

You only find godawful records for 99 cents at Dollar Tree, Chinese Democracy being one of them (and with the original "Best Buy Exclusive" sticker on it).  Before that, Best Buy had it on clearance for $1.99 and since nobody bought it, they sold it in bulk to 99 cents stores.  

I feel bad for Best Buy but it's their own fault for thinking that turd of a record could have been a success.

[SoulMonster]

2 minutes ago, Nosaj Thing said:

It sold 3 million. 

How did you arrive at that number?

[wasted]

3-5 is pretty bad anyway compared to the 90s. 

But 3 mil means 30 mil for the label. Well 14 mil for the US. But then another 16 mil from worldwide sales. 

With 16 mil profit you can see why they didn't give them 5 mil for a video. 

I think the sales remain the same at best right now for a reunion record. But they can keep the over heads lower. So the label could make 30 mil. 

Uncharted 4 sold 2.7 mil in it's first week. And that's at $30 a pop. So they prob made a 100 mil in a week. 

[Apollo]

1 hour ago, Nosaj Thing said:

It sold 3 million.  3.5 million if you're generous with the numbers.  Any more than that is delusion fabricated by sad losers.

You only find godawful records for 99 cents at Dollar Tree, Chinese Democracy being one of them (and with the original "Best Buy Exclusive" sticker on it).  Before that, Best Buy had it on clearance for $1.99 and since nobody bought it, they sold it in bulk to 99 cents stores.  

I feel bad for Best Buy but it's their own fault for thinking that turd of a record could have been a success.

Since CD never charted again after that first month, it's pretty easy to figure out how many copies the album sold. 

You can sell 8,000 copies and make the American top 40. CD hasn't been charging in various countries randomly for the last seven years  

Why do some people not understand that?

[Rustycage]

I'll need to find the original topic that this spawned from.

 

These gold and platinum figures, in most of the countries, are based on shipments to retailers and not sells to the public.

 

Despite that, arguing with the OP is for fools.

 

At the very best scenario, CD sold 1.8 million by 2011 since there confirmed one million left over at Best Buy. There are no other certifications from the countries that certify based on shipments. There is no proof that anything else sold. Everything else in this blast from the past lol worthy topic is bullshit. Cya.

[Apollo]

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

With that flawless logic I have nothing to say.

Thank you Silent Jay, thank you. 

You are now officially a forum legend. You've accomplished what the rest of us have been dreaming about for years. 

Silent Jay - poster of the year. 

[Silent Jay]

I like that, I tell you man there's one bitch in the world, one bitch with many faces.

Edited May 25, 2016 by Silent Jay

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, Rustycage said:

These gold and platinum figures, in most of the countries, are based on shipments to retailers and not sells to the public.

At the very best scenario, CD sold 1.8 million by 2011 since there confirmed one million left over at Best Buy. There are no other certifications from the countries that certify based on shipments. There is no proof that anything else sold. Everything else in this blast from the past lol worthy topic is bullshit. Cya.

I think we all know that those numbers that have been used to arrive at the 2.8 million estimate is based on both shipped and sold data.

We are talking about global sales, not sales that arrived exclusively from the Best Buy deal who had exclusivity for the US market only.

 

[Mr. Dude]

4 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

Still I can say 3 million and I'm right because it is. And it could probably be less. The record was not peaking anywhere after 2009 dude, only canadians loved it.

No. All my numbers indicate that CD sold 3 million US domestic and approximately 4 million global (US excluded) and 7 million globally (US included).

Must to be wrong

[SoulMonster]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Dude said:

No. All my numbers indicate that CD sold 3 million US domestic and approximately 4 million global (US excluded) and 7 million globally (US included).

Must to be wrong

You are not helping, dude

[SoNobodyToldYaBaby]

Do you think the poor sales from CD is the reason we haven't had another GnR album by now and probably never will again? 

[Strange Broue]

are people still arguing over irrelevant facts?

 

 

CD era is over and those 3-4 songs with this new line up doesn't count as CD era

 

Pls staph

 

 

7 hours ago, SoNobodyToldYaBaby said:

Do you think the poor sales from CD is the reason we haven't had another GnR album by now and probably never will again? 

Nope, the constant ine up changes, lack of label support (for now) and Axl's laziness are the key factors. Btw nowadays the big money is on the big tours, not on the albums. of course on a normal band you'll have new albums (or more albums than one in 2 decades) but this is not a normal band

Edited May 26, 2016 by Strange Broue

[RONIN]

What stalled CD II is that Interscope pulled the plug. It's clear that they pretty much forced Axl to release the damn thing and cut off funding in late '06. When it flopped, I'm guessing they gave him an ultimatum to either reunite with Slash or CD 2 would be shelved. I guess they didn't see a point in releasing another album to an indifferent public.

[wasted]

Hopefully Axl agreed to a reunion only if the label agree to put out CD II.