username Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.Maybe on Greatest Hits II?>Maybe on Greatest Hits II>on Greatest Hits II>Greatest Hits>Hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Well, I think all the fish in this barrel have died from multiple gunshot wounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ahh, fuck it..."one from the vault" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not sure what you're moping about, everything get's the legacy it deserves.Post 2000 GNR released one album and toured largely on classic hits from 10-20 years prior, they'll be remembered by the small handful of greasy white people who followed them on the internet, and Brazil. Big deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Nugnr. It began in front of 150,000 people and promises of a 'trilogy' and ended in a Las Vegas casino, with a levitating piano. Artistry swiftly gave way to parody and implosion. It is as if Axl saw Spinal Tap and decided to recycle all of the well known cliches. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I remain in "I'd love to be proven wrong by Axl" mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercourse Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I remain in "I'd love to be proven wrong by Axl" mode.who wouldn't Russ? I certainly would...not going to happen.. not now, two decades is enough to give even Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercourse Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) . It really seemed to me a completely rock n roll thing to do- the way Axl did it. For me it was just this somehow noble and defiant thing to do to pursue his vision no matter the cost and I always liked to envision Axl sticking to his guns til the very end.What "vision" are you referring to?Where was it ever articulated or explained?There was no vision - only a desire to control everything, no matter what.There is nothing noble here, "noble" would be either making it work by crafting a newer sound with your band that blended your ambitions with theirs (i.e. be a fucking band leader and lead) or starting your own solo band to develop, record and realise your music..if you feel that strongly about it.Neither road was taken and the results speak for themselves. If the old band reunite, where are you then with Axl's vision and nobility? Edited October 5, 2015 by Intercourse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It kinda sucks for some of the NuGnR members as some were really talented, exceptional musicians who were frustrated at Axl for his shit. But man, I'm tired of all the drama, really. Gimme a reunion and then retire, fuck the promise of CD2... it's not coming out, and even if it came out someday, I doubt it'd be worth the wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I don't get how people are grouping 2009-10 with 2011-14. Are we listening to the same recordings here? In 2010 the band and Axl sounded absolutely phenomenal! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 New Coke deserves a better legacy than it has.Sure, it tasted like shit and nobody liked it, but cmon guise!New Coke's very existence was a big fuck you to the soda industry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 For the sake of a band we have all followed and obsessed over, yes it would certainly be nice if they had a better legacy. It makes us look bad that we stuck around and defended a band that went nowhere all these years. But they won't have a better legacy, and everyone is all around to blame but mainly Axl of course. I can respect what each member brought to the band, but ultimately they achieved nothing. They never got albums on the one record that was released and they never truly became a "band". Axl is the one the blame for them not going anywhere. He never gave them the opportunity to show their skills and what they could contribute. I'd blame the guys for not stepping up more, but it truly seems like people like Bumblefoot and Ashba wanted to make a difference. But how much could they really speak up before they would have just been fired for not "going with the flow". So in the end, as much as I'd like to blame them, most of them just knew you couldn't really speak up and the ones that probably wanted to clearly got shut down.Its disappointing for everyone involved, but they have the exact legacy they deserve because of Axl's stubburness. If you're gonna shut everyone off, think you're a king that should be waited on hand and foot, and ultimately show a lack of interest in everything, then in the words of Big Star, you get what you deserve. There's no defense to one record in 20 years, never showing up to gigs on time and absolutely no interaction with fans that have actually stuck by you. I'll always love the guy as a singer, but there's little if anything to be admired from him since 1994 and everything that has happened is well deserved and completely blameless of anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.Maybe on Greatest Hits II?I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 According to Axl everyone failed nugnr before he did so therefore nugnr never had a chance in this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIST Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 NuGNR's legacy...a good cover band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) NuGNR Edited October 5, 2015 by Slash787 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riot Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 He reaaaally should have released 3 nugnr's record. That would've help a lot to be taken seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 CDII is the last chance. The last in line. They should have released a 2010 pro-shot because A4D was really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuzeville Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) The legacy of "nuGnR" is what it is and I don't think anything could enhance it now.The idea that Axl has been working on it too long to give up now is a perfect illustration of the sunk cost fallacy (and the idea of Axl working is laughable). Edited October 5, 2015 by Chuzeville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I think if new members stayed, if more of the material was released, if the shows changed a bit more, if shows weren't cancelled, if Axl stayed in better shape and kept his voice sounding vicious and if he kept that fire alive in his belly we wouldn't even be having this discussion.I say this, too, as a huge fan of what Axl was aiming to do. I loved (and still love) the bizarro-ness of GNR is 2002, Axl going completely in the face of everyone who told him to retire the GNR name, the tight and intense musicianship of the new guys. I just wish we saw more of it. I'm very excited about a reunion though, it will be awesome to see them back in action, but only if Axl has stuck to his guns and this was all done for reasons he (and Slash) are comfortable with. I just don't want to get the vibe that this was a sell-out for the dough. I doubt it will be, but that would be the biggest disappointment of all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Well on a serious note, 90% of the people don't even care or know about the NuGNR, there are just 10% or less who actually know about the band and all, Im not bashing anyone, but the only person to be blamed is Axl. He had many chances, there are so many bands who had very little line up changes, but man this guy had so many changes, It is not a band, everyone knows it, it is basically Axl and Hired people, he hired people to compose music, then most of them left, then he hired new hands to re record, then even they left. All of them have their reasons to leave, I guess the main one is that the band is not moving forward. I do want to hear new music, between 2000 and 2015, he could have easily released 3 to 4 albums. I really don't know what to say, he himself doesn't cares. Axl will have a better legacy and even respect if he drops the GN'R name and tours by his name, he really has put the name down the gutter. Axl its never too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsMainMan Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.Maybe on Greatest Hits II?I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined. I enjoyed Ballad of Death a lot myself and actually think it kinda' shows that Dj's might have been able to contribute some worthwhile stuff to a Guns' album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post maynard Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) You know what deserved better? GNR's name.Axl, alone, made of one the greatest bRands ever play its last shows in Casinos, bowling alleys and Russian weddings. Yes, the same dude who first became famous for being very talented and charismatic, the same dude who pretentiously mentioned trilogies, evolution, going where the old band weren't able to. This guy ended his legacy in poker-themed flying piano in Vegas. Using the beloved GNR name throughout. Pathetic.His lol vision at first was interesting. I love Finck, Bucket and Brain. They are very talented and they were willing to help Axl achieve new things. How did Axl use them? To rewrite AFD and cover 90% of it live. Sad.Now let's talk a little bit about Rio IV and beyond. Axl was done. In 2011 he was done and made no effort to hide this from the world. I'm sorry if it's result of a disease, or severe depression or something very serious. If it's not, if it's "Axl being Axl" - greatest excuse ever - then I say fuck this guy. He's not a perfectionist, he's not hardworking (lol 3 hours show every day), he's a shadow of himself and he makes a lot of hair metal singers from the 80s look good. Unnacceptable.The fans deserved better. The name GNR deserved better. But it's over - if you think Axl will make yet another comeback to "take over the world", I'm sorry for you. He won't reunite, he won't release more music. NuGNR's legacy is what it is: A cover band, a solo project with a revolving door of musicians, disaster videos, a very expensive shit album, Team Brazil, etc... And it's all Axl's fault. Edited October 5, 2015 by maynard 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.Maybe on Greatest Hits II?I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined. I enjoyed Ballad of Death a lot myself and actually think it kinda' shows that Dj's might have been able to contribute some worthwhile stuff to a Guns' album.Nope, no, no no! Ballad of Death was / is a steaming pile. Great song to go to the bathroom at a gig, or get a drink. Shoddy melody, boring chord progression. It sounds like the type of backing track you get free on youtube. Any jackass can string a soppy Am (or whatever key it's in) chord progression together and wail some utterly generic blues lines over the top of it.Sorry, I know you liked it (each to their own etc, etc), but I just think it's generic and a bit shit. Same goes for that other turd Mi Amor.... YIKES!If that was what he was bringing to table he wasn't going to be of much use to GnR. Axl writes the ballads, he's already pretty good at doing it by himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) No matter how good post-2000 Gn'R era could have been, there was simply to turn around to a simple and sad fact: rock is long dead. Fortunately for me being an old f@ck I got the chance to watch (real) Gn'R back on its heyday in '92 and I watched Axl's "band" too in '06 and '10 and no matter how well he could still pull it off (and he could) it was not even a comparable experience to the first show. Edited October 5, 2015 by trqster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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