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Post-2000 GN'R Deserve A Better Legacy Than This


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Not sure what you're moping about, everything get's the legacy it deserves.

Post 2000 GNR released one album and toured largely on classic hits from 10-20 years prior, they'll be remembered by the small handful of greasy white people who followed them on the internet, and Brazil. Big deal.

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Nugnr. It began in front of 150,000 people and promises of a 'trilogy' and ended in a Las Vegas casino, with a levitating piano. Artistry swiftly gave way to parody and implosion. It is as if Axl saw Spinal Tap and decided to recycle all of the well known cliches.

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. It really seemed to me a completely rock n roll thing to do- the way Axl did it. For me it was just this somehow noble and defiant thing to do to pursue his vision no matter the cost and I always liked to envision Axl sticking to his guns til the very end.

What "vision" are you referring to?

Where was it ever articulated or explained?

There was no vision - only a desire to control everything, no matter what.

There is nothing noble here, "noble" would be either making it work by crafting a newer sound with your band that blended your ambitions with theirs (i.e. be a fucking band leader and lead) or starting your own solo band to develop, record and realise your music..if you feel that strongly about it.

Neither road was taken and the results speak for themselves.

If the old band reunite, where are you then with Axl's vision and nobility?

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It kinda sucks for some of the NuGnR members as some were really talented, exceptional musicians who were frustrated at Axl for his shit. But man, I'm tired of all the drama, really. Gimme a reunion and then retire, fuck the promise of CD2... it's not coming out, and even if it came out someday, I doubt it'd be worth the wait.

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For the sake of a band we have all followed and obsessed over, yes it would certainly be nice if they had a better legacy. It makes us look bad that we stuck around and defended a band that went nowhere all these years. But they won't have a better legacy, and everyone is all around to blame but mainly Axl of course. I can respect what each member brought to the band, but ultimately they achieved nothing. They never got albums on the one record that was released and they never truly became a "band". Axl is the one the blame for them not going anywhere. He never gave them the opportunity to show their skills and what they could contribute. I'd blame the guys for not stepping up more, but it truly seems like people like Bumblefoot and Ashba wanted to make a difference. But how much could they really speak up before they would have just been fired for not "going with the flow". So in the end, as much as I'd like to blame them, most of them just knew you couldn't really speak up and the ones that probably wanted to clearly got shut down.

Its disappointing for everyone involved, but they have the exact legacy they deserve because of Axl's stubburness. If you're gonna shut everyone off, think you're a king that should be waited on hand and foot, and ultimately show a lack of interest in everything, then in the words of Big Star, you get what you deserve. There's no defense to one record in 20 years, never showing up to gigs on time and absolutely no interaction with fans that have actually stuck by you. I'll always love the guy as a singer, but there's little if anything to be admired from him since 1994 and everything that has happened is well deserved and completely blameless of anyone else.

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Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.

Maybe on Greatest Hits II?

I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined.

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The legacy of "nuGnR" is what it is and I don't think anything could enhance it now.

The idea that Axl has been working on it too long to give up now is a perfect illustration of the sunk cost fallacy (and the idea of Axl working is laughable).

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I think if new members stayed, if more of the material was released, if the shows changed a bit more, if shows weren't cancelled, if Axl stayed in better shape and kept his voice sounding vicious and if he kept that fire alive in his belly we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I say this, too, as a huge fan of what Axl was aiming to do. I loved (and still love) the bizarro-ness of GNR is 2002, Axl going completely in the face of everyone who told him to retire the GNR name, the tight and intense musicianship of the new guys. I just wish we saw more of it.

I'm very excited about a reunion though, it will be awesome to see them back in action, but only if Axl has stuck to his guns and this was all done for reasons he (and Slash) are comfortable with. I just don't want to get the vibe that this was a sell-out for the dough. I doubt it will be, but that would be the biggest disappointment of all.

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Well on a serious note, 90% of the people don't even care or know about the NuGNR, there are just 10% or less who actually know about the band and all, Im not bashing anyone, but the only person to be blamed is Axl. He had many chances, there are so many bands who had very little line up changes, but man this guy had so many changes, It is not a band, everyone knows it, it is basically Axl and Hired people, he hired people to compose music, then most of them left, then he hired new hands to re record, then even they left.

All of them have their reasons to leave, I guess the main one is that the band is not moving forward. I do want to hear new music, between 2000 and 2015, he could have easily released 3 to 4 albums. I really don't know what to say, he himself doesn't cares.

Axl will have a better legacy and even respect if he drops the GN'R name and tours by his name, he really has put the name down the gutter. Axl its never too late.

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Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.

Maybe on Greatest Hits II?

I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined.

I enjoyed Ballad of Death a lot myself and actually think it kinda' shows that Dj's might have been able to contribute some worthwhile stuff to a Guns' album.

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Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.

Maybe on Greatest Hits II?

I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined.

I enjoyed Ballad of Death a lot myself and actually think it kinda' shows that Dj's might have been able to contribute some worthwhile stuff to a Guns' album.

Nope, no, no no! Ballad of Death was / is a steaming pile. Great song to go to the bathroom at a gig, or get a drink. Shoddy melody, boring chord progression. It sounds like the type of backing track you get free on youtube. Any jackass can string a soppy Am (or whatever key it's in) chord progression together and wail some utterly generic blues lines over the top of it.

Sorry, I know you liked it (each to their own etc, etc), but I just think it's generic and a bit shit. Same goes for that other turd Mi Amor.... YIKES!

If that was what he was bringing to table he wasn't going to be of much use to GnR. Axl writes the ballads, he's already pretty good at doing it by himself.

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No matter how good post-2000 Gn'R era could have been, there was simply to turn around to a simple and sad fact: rock is long dead. :shrugs:

Fortunately for me being an old f@ck I got the chance to watch (real) Gn'R back on its heyday in '92 and I watched Axl's "band" too in '06 and '10 and no matter how well he could still pull it off (and he could) it was not even a comparable experience to the first show.

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