Len Cnut Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 40 minutes ago, PappyTron said: Some things will be more difficult, no doubt, but it's not like Snake-Pits vision of England turning into some kind of Dickensian wasteland. Like what things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Len B'stard said: Like what things? Well, things like tourism and visas, for one. However, it's not a major deal, in my opinion; the UK was a financial powerhouse before the EU formed, so it isn't as if we have a history of being the tramps of Europe (well, maybe the northerners). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tourism and Visas aint no hardship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, Len B'stard said: Tourism and Visas aint no hardship. Exactly. I mean, I'm sure that there will be some changes to banking, which is what the Uk's main powerbase happens to be, but nothing that is unsolvable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake-Pit Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 7 hours ago, PappyTron said: Exactly. I mean, I'm sure that there will be some changes to banking, which is what the Uk's main powerbase happens to be, but nothing that is unsolvable. Did you see the Obama / Cameron press conference in London last week where Obama advised against Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, Snake-Pit said: Did you see the Obama / Cameron press conference in London last week where Obama advised against Brexit? I saw it in passing and thought that Obama should mind his own beeswax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake-Pit Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Just now, PappyTron said: I saw it in passing and thought that Obama should mind his own beeswax. It offered a dose of a reality and Boris Johnson (leader of the Exit campaign)... Attacked Obama for being Kenyan and anti British!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Snake-Pit said: It offered a dose of a reality and Boris Johnson (leader of the Exit campaign)... Attacked Obama for being Kenyan and anti British!? It just smacks of rudeness. If Cameron went to Washington and started offering his opinion on what America should be doing in regards to XY and Z the American media and citizenry would tell him to keep his nose out of it. Moreover, maybe Obama should get his own house in order before offering advice on the housekeeping of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake-Pit Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, PappyTron said: It just smacks of rudeness. If Cameron went to Washington and started offering his opinion on what America should be doing in regards to XY and Z the American media and citizenry would tell him to keep his nose out of it. Moreover, maybe Obama should get his own house in order before offering advice on the housekeeping of others. It's basically a reality check telling would be Brexit voters assuming Brexit will mean GB being involved in any major free trade deals with the United States that it's not happening before any is made between the EU and the United States, and the United States wants very much for GB to be a part of the EU too in such an EU/US deal. I'd take President Obama's advice over outdated and therefore dangerous UKIP type fantasies anyday; Especially when bigger things could happen for the EU and GB, thanks to a Brexit would be on the sideline. President Obama's advice also made 1, 000 x more sense than Boris Johnson's rebuttal, I know BJ had to say something but... Silence would have been golden than that clear mudslinging he used; There really was no point to what he had to say about what the president said. Edited May 1, 2016 by Snake-Pit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Snake-Pit said: It's basically a reality check telling would be Brexit voters assuming Brexit will mean GB being involved in any major free trade deals with the United States that it's not happening before any is made between the EU and the United States, and the United States wants very much for GB to be a part of the EU too in such an EU/US deal. I'd take President Obama's advice over outdated and therefore dangerous UKIP type fantasies anyday; Especially when bigger things could happen for the EU and GB, thanks to a Brexit would be on the sideline. President Obama's advice also made 1, 000 x more sense than Boris Johnson's rebuttal, I know BJ had to say something but... Silence would have been golden than that clear mudslinging he used; There really was no point to what he had to say about what the president said. Obama wants Britain to remain in the EU because that is what is good for America; that is not the same as it being good for Britain. Anyone who thinks that trade will simply evaporate or that Britain's ability to conduct financial affairs will be drastically reduced simply because we are no longer a part of the European Union, is misunderstanding international finance and trade. London already trades trillions of Euros per day on its markets despite being on a completely different currency; trade can be made anywhere, at any time, and in any currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake-Pit Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, PappyTron said: Obama wants Britain to remain in the EU because that is what is good for America; that is not the same as it being good for Britain. Anyone who thinks that trade will simply evaporate or that Britain's ability to conduct financial affairs will be drastically reduced simply because we are no longer a part of the European Union, is misunderstanding international finance and trade. London already trades trillions of Euros per day on its markets despite being on a completely different currency; trade can be made anywhere, at any time, and in any currency. You're talking to a voter who wants high interest savings invested into by offshore holding companies in Delaware and who also believes America is good for Britain... Just so we're clear, my vote has already been decided, pretty much on the news of a potential EU/US deal.. I want GB to be in that deal if it went ahead, because it will be a bigger market for any big trade partner (USA or not) to buy into, much much bigger than just GB market alone. Edited May 1, 2016 by Snake-Pit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, Snake-Pit said: You're talking to a voter who wants high interest savings invested into by offshore holding companies in Delaware and who also believes America is good for Britain... Just so we're clear, my vote has already been decided, pretty much on the news of a potential EU/US deal.. I want GB to be in that deal if it went ahead, because it will be a bigger market for any big trade partner (USA or not) to buy into, much much bigger than just GB market alone. I would imagine that setting up an offshore company is Delaware would cost more than you would have to put into said account. Talking of high interest rates, I used to get 4.75% on my deposit account! My savings account was over 5% and I could take a 6 figure loan for a little over 6%; those days are not going to return just by us staying in the EU. The problem with potential trade deals on an EU wide basis is that not all countries within the EU are equal; Germany, France and the UK have far more to offer, both as a whole and per-capita, than Poland, Bulgaria and Greece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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