AxlRoseCDII Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Do you think Axl, in summer 2014, had known about the future reunion or at least that it was in the works, and started training his voice for it? He sounded really good in 2014 Vegas shows as the tour ended. Do you think the future reunion had any part in his good singing form in those shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I always thought it was more like a farewell to Ron, the last 2 shows were really long and Axl sounded like he gave a shit. If the reunion were the reason, wouldn't he have tried to sound good at the Golden Gods when Duff was there, and it was streamed? Or on the SA tour? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I think people forget he sounded awful in 2014...like the worst he's sounded ever. But around June 4th going into his 30th concert that year or whatever he started to find something. I'm not sure if it was the introduction of songs he hadn't played in years (yesterday's, Prostitute) or he was warmed up finally and starting to control his vocals. So really he sounded good for 3 shows but he struggled to put together a good performance of YCBM RQ NR and Estranged. So hopefully he's been putting in the work to get vocals right. I'm pretty sure the reunion will motivate him to get it right, so I have high expectations going into April. I don't think Axl anticipated the reunion at this point, I hope that wasn't the point of mending his relationship with Slash, I think he just knew this would be his last show for a while and brought a little more those nights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) He was probably gave a shit, because he had known that he couldn't pull out some songs with the new line up Several reports say the reunion was in the works for 2 years at least... That doesn't explain why he sounded like shit since 2011 o most of the shows... saving his voice? it's possible, but he was not the person who doesn't give a shit on his performance.... that's why his lazy 2011 onwards period is a mistery.... but he did a handful of shows, though Edited February 7, 2016 by Strange Broue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 They weren't good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 He didn't only sound a helluva lot better in Vegas but he also seemed to have found some new energy. His stage presence was much better than it had been in a very long time. He seemed very motivated and happy so I'm sure something happened after the Golden Gods. I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with the reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Jakey Styley said: They weren't good. In South America I'd agree. But in Vegas he sounded anywhere from good to great, depending on the night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 he was pretty good outside of RQ and YCBM the last 3 days. A lot of power @4:14 in TWAT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphelmo Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 47 minutes ago, Powerage5 said: In South America I'd agree. But in Vegas he sounded anywhere from good to great, depending on the night. How did he sound in 1993 then? Gosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ralphelmo said: How did he sound in 1993 then? Gosh. You're talking about a 21 year age difference. To expect him to sound exactly like he did in 1993 is unreasonable, especially considering he still performs everything in the original key. Most singers with songs as vocally demanding as GN'R songs would be tuning down by their early 50's to accommodate their aging voices. I absolutely agree that the rest of 2014 was a train wreck vocally. But in Vegas he was good, especially towards the end of the run. Those last three gigs are both the best and most consistent he's sounded since 2010, so that's something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 He was really good on the UCAP tour too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristmasFnatic Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Slash texted him for the first time an hour before the show. The fire in his belly once again reignited! Edited February 7, 2016 by ChristmasFnatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Not really sure the vocals are ever that bad for a whole show. But Yesterdays and Prostitute seem like farewell to the era like songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I wonder if it'd be beneficial for Axl to tune down... from Eb to D.... that might be cool if it meant easier raspage and power. Sounds kinda heavy in a cool way. Older, wiser? Nightrain @ 7:15 sounds ballsy as hell! Edited February 8, 2016 by Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 8 hours ago, Strange Broue said: He was probably gave a shit, because he had known that he couldn't pull out some songs with the new line up Several reports say the reunion was in the works for 2 years at least... That doesn't explain why he sounded like shit since 2011 o most of the shows... saving his voice? it's possible, but he was not the person who doesn't give a shit on his performance.... that's why his lazy 2011 onwards period is a mistery.... but he did a handful of shows, though Holy shit where are the full versions? they sound cool as fuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, NachoLZ said: Holy shit where are the full versions? they sound cool as fuck! I suppose you asking about those vegas clips Try herehttp://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/213834-httpmp3-guns-n-roses-2014-all-in-one-mp3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 9 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: I always thought it was more like a farewell to Ron, the last 2 shows were really long and Axl sounded like he gave a shit. If the reunion were the reason, wouldn't he have tried to sound good at the Golden Gods when Duff was there, and it was streamed? Or on the SA tour? Agree. I think Layla was a part of it, that unrequited love song before November Rain. That was really beautiful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak1nney Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Ant said: I wonder if it'd be beneficial for Axl to tune down... from Eb to D.... that might be cool if it meant easier raspage and power. Sounds kinda heavy in a cool way. Older, wiser? Nightrain @ 7:15 sounds ballsy as hell! I usually hate when bands have to "give in" and tune down, but those actually don't sound bad or too far off from what Axl could easily manage now. I'd be okay with that. With him singing the songs half a step down (what most know as normal for GNR) tho for all of these years, it's unlikely for him to readjust or want to unless absolutely necessary. Who knows though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 G N' R LIES They released an entire E.P. back in 1988 about how they hated rumors and drama like this to be spread. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 As a performer, Axl actually reminds me of Ace Frehley - when the fire is under his ass, he's unstoppable, but if the mood doesn't strike, it's sloppy and through the motions. I honestly think Axl kind of coasted through 2013 and 2014. The "Mickey" vocals didn't matter to him because it was an easy way to get through the shows. That's not to say he wasn't having fun but clearly something was missing. Whatever it was, by the end of the 2014 he was feeling more motivated because he sounded good again. Was it Duff? The impending reunion? Who knows. Ace Frehley has acknowledged that about himself - he says sometimes he feels it, sometimes he doesn't. He chooses not to practice and therefore some shows he plays beyond sloppy and other shows he kills it. Axl is the same - no rehearsal, etc... So he's always better by the end once he's ready to kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 22 hours ago, Strange Broue said: I suppose you asking about those vegas clips Try herehttp://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/213834-httpmp3-guns-n-roses-2014-all-in-one-mp3/ I quotted you by accident sorry, thanks anyway haha I was talking about GNR in D-Tune but I realized that they are the album versions with modified audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) On February 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, AxlRoseCDII said: Do you think Axl, in summer 2014, had known about the future reunion or at least that it was in the works, and started training his voice for it? He sounded really good in 2014 Vegas shows as the tour ended. Do you think the future reunion had any part in his good singing form in those shows? I think he had to have known things were heading in that direction for sure. I think that he hit a point either right before Vegas or during that leg that realistically that he band was going nowhere and reunion was realistically the only direction to properly go in. So while I do like that point that it may have been a proper send off to Bumblefoot, axl knew bumble was leaving, Tommy wasn't coming back, duff was back full time, he knew motley would retire and dj would be pulled to sixx am, as well as possibly other members may have been in a position to move on with their careers, and he had probably cleared things up with slash as well as came to terms with what happened and got over things. There were reports and rumblings that axl was considering reuniting the original lineup during the Vegas stint and there was something to it the entire time, something we now know. When you do the math and put it all together, I think axl really wanted to test himself and see if he could vocally get to a point where a reunion would be worth it in terms of him being able to perform to the level fans would expect him to sing at. Edited February 9, 2016 by Billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 On 08/02/2016 at 3:23 AM, Ant said: I wonder if it'd be beneficial for Axl to tune down... from Eb to D.... that might be cool if it meant easier raspage and power. Sounds kinda heavy in a cool way. Older, wiser? Nightrain @ 7:15 sounds ballsy as hell! Maybe it's be better for the high range, could be an issue for lower or mid range songs. The high raspy stuff is the trademark, I actually think he has no problems m hitting the high notes, its just he's using a clean head voice instead of his distorted wail. I'm all for the rasp.Tuning down to D would change the sound of the old songs dramatically, just like when metallica went from standard to 1/2 step down... Much sluggier and less powerful, but easier for Hetfield to sing every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stress Fracture Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 This is how Axl will sound in 2026. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki_Sixx Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I think the issue with Axl's vocals since 2001 has nothing to do with keys, and everything to do with his singing style. He probably destroyed his voice multiple times during the UYI tour, and after '93 he probably saw some voice doctor or vocal coach who strongly adviced against his singing style and highly recommended the head voice, if he wanted to keep singing for the remainder of his career. I think had he chosen to continue singing like he used to, he would have no voice left whatsoever by now.... Too bad, because the last time he sounded anywhere near good was on Sympathy for the devil or Come Together back in 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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