Popular Post pugachev Posted April 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2016 That's too bad, Id take Matt any day over Ferrer's drumming. Matt/Steven actually wrote the drum parts for the songs the fans actually care about. Frank? Nothing. Can't stand his drumming. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugachev Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 minute ago, SEPTEM said: beyond pretty clear who was the real BAD APPLE on guns n roses ( aaand velvet) What is this revisionist load of crap? The bad apple in Guns was and always will be Axl. Everyone got along with Matt except Axl. By that time, no one got along with Axl except his pet Dizzy Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DieselDaisy Posted April 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, SEPTEM said: This Sorum is showin us how stupid he is and exactly why axl AND SLASH dont want him anymore. He stay with his mouth closed all this months ( just in case ) and once he make sure noone is gonna call him then : let the public crying beggins Thank god gnr have a great drumer and adler will be there too at some point. Sorum youre my favorite drumer ever.. But youre no longer necesary on the, once again, the greatest and most exiting band in the world. Just stay with hv ( good look with the duff replacement) and with velvet ( good look with slash, duff, scott replacements) Now, sadly for people like me that loves the way sorum playa, its beyond pretty clear who was the real BAD APPLE on guns n roses ( aaand velvet) Fuck me! If This hybrid is going to produce loads of fans like this now... I almost yearn for the nugnr v Slasholes era. At least you knew where you were! The ironic thing is, if Axl had ditched Frank and hired Sorum, you lot would be masturbating over how Sorum is the ''true GN'R drummer'' and Frank a ''loser!! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I think it's pretty clear that Axl and Matt don't mesh professionally. Just because he met him in NYC and was friendly doesn't negate that fact. Just like he met Gilby in that bar and had a good time after the UYI tour... didn't mean he was rushing to record with him. Matt definitely makes his opinion known with respect to band politics, and combined with the fact that Duff/Slash/Matt was basically VR, and you'd get a cliquey vibe that would bring up old wounds. Now it's Slash and Duff, Axl, and then two jovial randos on the payroll. Slash wanted to work with Fortus, Duff and Axl have been reunited for a while, Frank is happy to be there and arguably deserves something for his loyalty... it makes for an easier dynamic. And it was never going to be just Steven... he wasn't going to learn the UYI songs.... and all signs point to him being invited but injured. Thus, it's hard to be mad about the current lineup. Just write some new fucking songs. Edited April 13, 2016 by Ant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LADoll77 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think Matt should have guested a night or two. it doesn't cost The Trio anything to makes an old friend get some spotlight and be super happy. I think this was one of those instances where Slash and Duff didn't stand up to Axl. pretty cowardly. it's obvious Matt deserves some kind of role in this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 41 minutes ago, Patience 4 Axl said: Frank has gotten more love this week than he has in the entire time he's been with Guns. It's funny. You'd almost think some people on here were unable to objectively judge a musician without allowing their place in history of the band to colour their opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEPTEM Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 U guys can blame axl all u want. That doesnt change the reality : GUNS N ROSES IS BACK, slash is back in the band, also duff. They are REALLY FUCKIN HAPPYER THAN EVER .. Theyre about to get one the most succesfull tours ever, and thats it. ( plus: axl is there, slash too, so is duff, adler will be there soon, and izzy, well izzy toured a little with axl on 2006 and 2012, and DIDNT went to hof induction thats enough to understand a lot of things) so the only two left out : gilby and matt.. But matt is the only one bitchin about it. Its pretty clear for those who really wants to comprehend things. So, axl haters, false media suporters, axl blamers, trouble makers, blablabla.. For all of u, its GAME OVER. Gnr ( and axl/slash society ) is back Just go and do that thing axl says just right there before it so easy guitar solo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Wheel Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I can see the "VR clique" explanation as to why he wasn't asked. The three VR members could cause a split in some ways. Then again, I also can see it as, "Well, he wasn't the original drummer, and he isn't loyal Frank Ferrer." Sorum was basically one of the middle children in the GNR drumming heritage. You either take the most recent /current (Frank) or the original (Adler). I don't see Sorum as whining or complaining. He answered a fan question. Chill the fuck out, people. Pittman whined. Sorum is being cool. At least he's being upfront about it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StrangerInThisTown Posted April 14, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Just gonna say you lot are delusional if you think Steven would never learn the uyi songs if they asked him to be their drummer. The guy would do anything to be the drummer in GNR again. You think if they invited him back into the band he'd go "nah, not gonna learn the illusion songs, Matt FTW." ? Fuck no I also don't understand why people still think he's not able to do a whole tour. The guy managed to do the full 2 year appetite tour WHILE COKED UP OUT OF HIS ASS. These days he plays gigs sober with his band no problem and he surely would never relapse if he was back in gnr. That would be his drug. Stop judging his ass for stuff he did over 25 years ago, you realize how ridiculous that is? Can you imagine how you'd feel if someone would deny you your dream because "but you were unreliable 2 decades ago"? Stop that bull and give the guy atleast a CHANCE to prove himself before completely dismissing him. You can even keep ferrer as back up if anything goes wrong. /rant Edited April 14, 2016 by StrangerInThisTown 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumikki Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) It's not just Axl who doesn't get along with Matt. Even Duff (who is well-liked by everyone and gets along with everybody) admits in his newest book that he has found it hard to deal with Matt in the past. He contributed a lot to the tension in VR. Basically, Matt Sorum is full of himself and has a giant ego and I think his inclusion in the line-up would cause difficulties pretty quickly. And the current band realises that and that's why he wasn't even asked. With Axl and Slash you already have two people difficult people with big egos in the band, no need to add a third. I'm sure Duff already had/has his hands full making these two get along. And let's not forget, Slash also "hates Matt Sorum" (if Axl is to be believed) Personally, I've disliked Sorum ever since I discoverd GnR (about 12 years ago), so I really don't give a shit about him not being included. Edited April 14, 2016 by Lumikki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartbreakerWoman Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Patience 4 Axl said: Frank has gotten more love this week than he has in the entire time he's been with Guns. It's funny. I know there have always been people who didnt like Matt, but I feel bad that he wasn't even asked. That's got to hurt. Just a guess, but maybe the fact that he played in VR with Duff and Slash may have been a factor. I don't think Axl ever liked Matt and I think the feeling was mutual. Axl in his 2012 interview where he expressed a (then) theoretical willingness to play with Slash and Duff, said at the same time he didn't get along with the people who joined during the UYI tour (Matt and Gilby). I think with it being Axl, Slash and Duff, the egos are balanced. Whereas with Matt, maybe Matt was more confrontational with Axl and it upset that balance of egos leading to tension. We don't know what went on behind the scenes to the full extent, but Slash in his book does relate an incident which almost turned into a brawl between Axl and Matt. Maybe, for the sake of the band staying intact, it is better that Matt is not involved. I think Axl and Matt had a similar relationship to the one Slash and Paul Tobias shared. In that, Matt was Slash's "boy" and Paul was Axl's "boy". Bands like Guns or the Stones are a delicate balancing act of egos and factions. Personalities in these kinds of groups matter. Ronnie Wood, because he was able to get along with both Mick and Keith, is credited with keeping the Stones from having imploded - and he got shit on by both sides equally. Mick Taylor on the other hand was tight with Mick Jagger, and hated and shit on by Keith, which in large measure led to him quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 get steven healthy again asap and this reunion even hybridy will be epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteofammo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Gilby > Matt teddy zig zag > matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stella Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) I don't think the response Matt gave was whining at all. Someone asked him the question. Now that the lineup is known, he was able to answer. He didn't go off on a hissy fit or go to the press crying "They didn't choose meeeee..." Worth noting that even though he wasn't involved, he gave GnR the courtesy of not spilling the beans on their lineup in advance of their first shows. I do find that exchange between Adler and Matt very hard to believe -- seems that in Adler's accounts of things, everyone's always heaping praise on him. I fully believe that if Matt had been asked, he would have done it -- just as he did Velvet Revolver and Slash's project. I think it's way more plausible that Frank has always been the first choice of drummer for this reunion/reconfiguration -- he remained in the NuGnR band, Axl likes him, Duff and Slash seem to like him and play well with him too, and having him there does mean that it's not the VR Three Vs. Axl. He was there, they didn't want to use either Matt or Adler, and they just stuck with him. Edited April 14, 2016 by stella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I am glad Frank is there over Matt. Shows that Axl is loyal. Frank may not be my fav GNR drummer (Brain) , but glad he is still on board. Met Frank twice (free) , and was a cool fn guy to talk to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 9 hours ago, RecipeForDisaster84 said: There was no need for him to respond,it was clear who the drummer was in Vegas,Matt was better off not saying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: Just gonna say you lot are delusional if you think Steven would never learn the uyi songs if they asked him to be their drummer. The guy would do anything to be the drummer in GNR again. You think if they invited him back into the band he'd go "nah, not gonna learn the illusion songs, Matt FTW." ? Fuck no /rant He said as much in one of his Eddie Trunk interviews in the fall. I'm a huge Steven fan and I'm rooting for him, but I didn't just make that up. It sounded like he didn't consider UYI to even be "real" GNR. He said he'd want to bring Matt on for them. I mean maybe if they issued him an ultimatum and said if you want the job you'd be alone, learn all the songs, he'd try.... but he didn't seem interested and I don't know if he could, to be honest.... DTJ... Estranged... Coma. I think he'd keep healthy for a tour, but I don't know if he'd learn 20+ new songs capably and confidently for a stadium tour. Edited April 14, 2016 by Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashElvisTCB Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Honestly my drummer does a way better job than Frank. I wasn't over the moon about the guy being in over Steven and Matt, preferred Matt to be THE drummer but after seeing some of the songs and seeing the smile Frank had and the fun he was having I warmed up to him and was rooting for him to do well...that WAS before I heard the drumming on November Rain, tempo fuck ups on Paradise City and playing catch up when he fucks up instead of continuing on to where he's supposed to be from the fuck up. What a downer. Franks rhythm is all over the place, his timing is off more than Adler while he's strung out and his tempo will speed & slow at a moments notice and then he tries to make up for it by playing faster than a madman. I have no problem with playing faster, but it sounds all over the place. Matt vs Steven is a subjective argument...Frank vs them should be an easy judgment call. Get Steven or Matt!, Or at least compromise and have Brent Fitz do it! He can at least drum precise & have groove. Edited April 14, 2016 by SlashElvisTCB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumblefeet Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) I heard the last season of Downtown Abbey is suppose to be killer. Edited April 14, 2016 by Bumblefeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 8 hours ago, Patience 4 Axl said: Frank has gotten more love this week than he has in the entire time he's been with Guns. It's funny. Surely not from me. The guy is doing a horrible job. I never liked Matt, but at least he was doing his job properly, so I'd take him back (twisting my nose as I write this...) to replace Mr Ferrer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changes Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Ant said: He said as much in one of his Eddie Trunk interviews in the fall. I'm a huge Steven fan and I'm rooting for him, but I didn't just make that up. It sounded like he didn't consider UYI to even be "real" GNR. He said he'd want to bring Matt on for them. I mean maybe if they issued him an ultimatum and said if you want the job you'd be alone, learn all the songs, he'd try.... but he didn't seem interested and I don't know if he could, to be honest.... DTJ... Estranged... Coma. I think he'd keep healthy for a tour, but I don't know if he'd learn 20+ new songs capably and confidently for a stadium tour. Would Steven actually be that stupid? I mean he has been begging to come back for 25 years, and if he gets to do so he is going to be high maintenance, have opinions about what songs are "real GNR" and refuse to play anything else, forcing the shows to be tailored around the drumming? That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I'm sure if Frank pulls out for whatever reason, Sorum would get the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliff Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 bill ward would get the call before sorum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Let's be honest here. Slash and Duff have never done a full-scale headlining tour without Matt Sorum. I think at the very least they need to bring him on for council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Changes said: Would Steven actually be that stupid? I mean he has been begging to come back for 25 years, and if he gets to do so he is going to be high maintenance, have opinions about what songs are "real GNR" and refuse to play anything else, forcing the shows to be tailored around the drumming? That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If Steven comes back they should just keep all the songs strictly from Appetite and Lies. It would be a slap in the face of the real GNR to not keep it true to their original sound. I don't even see why they ever learned any new songs. It was disrespectful to the original 5. Edited April 14, 2016 by Mr. Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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