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Not to say he ain't a great player, because he obviously is, but it's just such a noticeable contrast between Fortus flying around like a nu-metal guitarist from the late 90s/early 00s bringing attention to himself and good ol' Slash and his timeless effortless cool.

 

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7 hours ago, Asia said:

True and to be honest it is irritating. Not because he's acknowledging this or other player or not appreciating Slash (Slash fortunately doesn't need that at all) but because I feel this is the result of his ego still being hurt by the fact he failed to prove to the world he doesn't need Slash. It sort of comes out in things like that, or when he keeps on emphasizing how many years Richard or Frank are in Guns (as if trying to suggest they're there longer than Slash so they're more Guns than Slash) or how much of a great fan of the previous line up he is, bla, bla. It kind of seems like no matter how happy he would be for them being back, he'll just never admit it cause it would hurt his overblown stupid alpha male ego.

Disclaimer: yes, it is just my impression and opinion and yes, I'm happy they're back and no, generally I'm not complaining but this attitude of his sort of irritates me.

I know Axl is annoying with that but seriously, Slash without Axl is nothing either. That guy Myles Kennedy is a disaster (pretty much like Ashba).

Truth is they all need each other, so this is a hit on all of their egos, probably more on Axl (or not) because he runs the band but if Slash and Duff leave GN'R again, they will go back to the clubs and to making albums no one buys. 

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2 hours ago, Blake Sabbath said:

Not to say he ain't a great player, because he obviously is, but it's just such a noticeable contrast between Fortus flying around like a nu-metal guitarist from the late 90s/early 00s bringing attention to himself and good ol' Slash and his timeless effortless cool.

 

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I get what you mean but I can't say I agree.  Because of the fact that I think Fortus is an excellent player and stylistically he fits in so well with Slash and Duff his "showboating" as you put it doesn't bother me in the least.  I've actually always really dug his powerful guitar hits during songs like Nightrain and to watch him and Slash playing off each other during solos, Layla, and Wish You Were Here makes me really happy to see.  Ashba drove me crazier than anything along with Finck with both of their ridiculous styles.  Ashba was way over the top like, "Look at me!  Here I am!  Over here!!!" and Finck always just bugged me with that damn dress thing he always wore and his awkward stomping behavior during any solo.  I'll take Fortus and the way he plays over those two any day of the week.

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1 hour ago, killuridols said:

 

Truth is they all need each other, so this is a hit on all of their egos, probably more on Axl (or not) because he runs the band but if Slash and Duff leave GN'R again, they will go back to the clubs and to making albums no one buys. 

Agree. There are no way back. With no Slash there will be no more GNR. Axl can go solo but not under the GNR name.

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Fortus just does it too much, its good to be active on stage and not be a zombie, but it should come naturally. 

Izzy had this cool laid back thing on stage, he had a mixture of both, similar thing with Gilby too.

Fortus should just calm down a bit? it really seems so much of over acting. 

If Jack Black was doing this, then I would have understood, but not Fortus. 

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6 minutes ago, TheDemocracyRose said:

Agree. There are way back. With no Slash there will be no more GNR. Axl can go solo but not under the GNR name.

Yeah. That too. But I didn't mean that. I think Slash and Duff are shit on their own as well. If they leave GNR they will be as shitty as before rejoining.

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Just now, killuridols said:

Yeah. That too. But I didn't mean that. I think Slash and Duff are shit on their own as well. If they leave GNR they will be as shitty as before rejoining.

Shit on their own? Shitty as before?

You need to get your ears checked. VR had many talented members and had some great songs.

Duff is a great business man and an author.

Slash's solo albums had some amazing guitar stuff. 

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That's really the interesting comparison, Axl never tried anything new compared to the rest.  He sat back on the catalog of GNR hits, and took forever to release CD, while the rest of them all did new and different things, some of which were big successes like VR.  It's almost like Axl doesn't have the courage to try anything new or to branch out.  

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14 minutes ago, SheldonR311 said:

That's really the interesting comparison, Axl never tried anything new compared to the rest.  He sat back on the catalog of GNR hits, and took forever to release CD, while the rest of them all did new and different things, some of which were big successes like VR.  It's almost like Axl doesn't have the courage to try anything new or to branch out.  

Well what about Axl/DC? 

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2 hours ago, Blake Sabbath said:

Not to say he ain't a great player, because he obviously is, but it's just such a noticeable contrast between Fortus flying around like a nu-metal guitarist from the late 90s/early 00s bringing attention to himself and good ol' Slash and his timeless effortless cool.

 

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But dude ! Contrast is good! U don't want a band of sheep - whether for u or not, everyone is individual and Slash is Slash, Richard is Richard! If he bothers u, guess what - look at Slash! 
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34 minutes ago, TheDemocracyRose said:

Agree. There are no way back. With no Slash there will be no more GNR. Axl can go solo but not under the GNR name.

While I agree with that sentiment, try to tell Axl that...

 

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3 minutes ago, TheDemocracyRose said:

Well what about Axl/DC? 

Something he only committed to and tried out after the return of Slash and Duff.  That is indeed a HUGE step for him without a doubt, but in all honesty could you see that happening a year ago or more?  Something about the return of Slash and Duff has reignited him, reawakened him, revived him, however you want to look at it.  And it doesn't change the fact that from 1994-2016 he did nothing but rest on the laurels of the GNR name.  I say this 100% as a fan and not an Axl basher, but it's the truth.

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34 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Fortus just does it too much, its good to be active on stage and not be a zombie, but it should come naturally. 

Izzy had this cool laid back thing on stage, he had a mixture of both, similar thing with Gilby too.

Fortus should just calm down a bit? it really seems so much of over acting. 

If Jack Black was doing this, then I would have understood, but not Fortus. 

I guess it's what they call - putting on a show....
They don't just go on stage and let 26 songs "naturally" flow outta of them - it's a show! 
A rock n roll show - where showing off is the one place you can get away with it absent from jud.....
Actually, clearly not...;) 

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2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I know Axl is annoying with that but seriously, Slash without Axl is nothing either. That guy Myles Kennedy is a disaster (pretty much like Ashba).

Truth is they all need each other, so this is a hit on all of their egos, probably more on Axl (or not) because he runs the band but if Slash and Duff leave GN'R again, they will go back to the clubs and to making albums no one buys. 

To say that Myles is a disaster, your cutting him short !! he is a great lead singer, he is not Axl, i know that too. But slash and him have great fanbase and i am one of them !! Also his work with Alterbridge is really good too !! He never tried to be Axl, and he never wanted to be Axl. He made the Gn'R songs his own !! 

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1 hour ago, Slash787 said:

Shit on their own? Shitty as before?

You need to get your ears checked. VR had many talented members and had some great songs.

Duff is a great business man and an author.

Slash's solo albums had some amazing guitar stuff. 

There are so many things you should have to have checked, dude.. Don't start with me :rolleyes:

VR wasn't a solo project but you can't compare it to Guns N' Roses success. They lasted what a fart in a jar (pretty much like old GNR) but never had the impact of GNR in the history of rock. And never will. None of their songs will be remembered as classics of rock.

Duff being a great business man and author, what does it have to do with music? I'm talking about them as musicians.

Slash solo albums no one gives a shit.

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2 hours ago, Slash787 said:

Fortus just does it too much, its good to be active on stage and not be a zombie, but it should come naturally. 

Izzy had this cool laid back thing on stage, he had a mixture of both, similar thing with Gilby too.

Fortus should just calm down a bit? it really seems so much of over acting. 

If Jack Black was doing this, then I would have understood, but not Fortus. 

Couldn't disagree more. It doesn't feel like overacting to me (obviously all subjective), I think he's just passionate and into the music. Sure he's performing, but he's performing in a way that's natural to him. "Acting" would be toning it down just for you.

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1 hour ago, SheldonR311 said:

Something he only committed to and tried out after the return of Slash and Duff.  That is indeed a HUGE step for him without a doubt, but in all honesty could you see that happening a year ago or more?  Something about the return of Slash and Duff has reignited him, reawakened him, revived him, however you want to look at it.  And it doesn't change the fact that from 1994-2016 he did nothing but rest on the laurels of the GNR name.  I say this 100% as a fan and not an Axl basher, but it's the truth.

I would actually argue that going on tour fronting another band, singing songs you didn't write, isn't branching out that much. Maybe it is for Axl, but it's nothing like putting out your own new material, like you said in your original post.

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